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Can Peja change his game like Dirk has

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  • #16
    Re: Can Peja change his game like Dirk has

    Originally posted by #31
    PS: wow so many Peja haters, no passion like Dirk has!? does not work like Dirk!? Are u serious? What BS!... You know, its just much easier to type "IM A PEJA HATER", because thats clearly what you seem like when saying stupid stuff like that and besides it will make you an Honest man.
    Just so we're clear, are you saying that Peja works as hard on improving his game as Dirk does on his?

    Lay it on the line for us.
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    • #17
      Re: Can Peja change his game like Dirk has

      im gonna say it flat out.. plain and simple... we should trade Peja along with Stephen Jackson for somebody better... i think we should have just traded for the injured corey magette.... all Peja is capable of doing standing and shooting... i was well aware of this when the trade went through and i was pissed when that happened... he cant create his own shots... he never has a mismatch because just standing there infront of him is D enough... hes garbage trade him now.....

      PLAIN AND SIMPLE PEJA IS A WIMP

      ....but the guy does have a hot wife she gets atleast

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      • #18
        Re: Can Peja change his game like Dirk has

        Originally posted by Ron who?
        im gonna say it flat out.. plain and simple... we should trade Peja along with Stephen Jackson for somebody better... i think we should have just traded for the injured corey magette.... all Peja is capable of doing standing and shooting... i was well aware of this when the trade went through and i was pissed when that happened... he cant create his own shots... he never has a mismatch because just standing there infront of him is D enough... hes garbage trade him now.....

        PLAIN AND SIMPLE PEJA IS A WIMP

        ....but the guy does have a hot wife she gets atleast
        Only capeable of standing and shooting? Did you even watch a game after the Pacers traded for him?

        And who exactly would you trade him for? Everyone talking about Magette should take not that the guy has a lot of injuries and though he does get his points and free throws I don't like the way he acted when he had to come back from that injury. If he was on our team with the people we have we might have had an even worse chemistry problem brewing.

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        • #19
          Re: Can Peja change his game like Dirk has

          What do you guys have against signing Peja? Even if it means overpaying, we have to keep that kind of talent. We're not going to be under the cap any time soon so a few million extra each year is not going to affect us as free agency players. And do you really think anything can keep Danny off the court at the rate he is developing?

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          • #20
            Re: Can Peja change his game like Dirk has

            Originally posted by Jermaniac
            You are ****ing pathetic seriously. Do you ever make a post not bashing Jermaine O'Neal. What does this thread have to do with Jermaine O'Neal?
            I wasn't bashing Jermaine O Neal... I'm stating facts (as defined by me, of course ).

            I brought up JO because what UB stated wouldn't happen in a vacuum and unless he's traded or retires soon, JO is our $120,000,000.00 mista..err main guy. If Peja was to become more 'Dirk like' how would that fit with JO as we use him right now?

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            • #21
              Re: Can Peja change his game like Dirk has

              Originally posted by Ron who?
              all Peja is capable of doing standing and shooting... i was well aware of this when the trade went through and i was pissed when that happened... he cant create his own shots... he never has a mismatch because just standing there infront of him is D enough...
              That's what a LOT of us thought BEFORE the trade and we were shown to be dead wrong by watching him play here. You apparently didn't watch at all. He moves off the ball, cuts to the basket, creates shots off the dribble, has other offensive moves besides the catch-and-shoot, like his step-back fadeaway that is accurate and with his high and quick release is not easily stopped. He boards and passes way better than we thought based upon his play in Sacto.

              He may not be worth what he is looking for in a new contract, and I am disappointed with his inability or unwillingness to play hurt in the playoffs, but you are dead wrng when you pidgenhole the guy as a one-skill player.
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              • #22
                Re: Can Peja change his game like Dirk has

                Originally posted by Anthem
                Just so we're clear, are you saying that Peja works as hard on improving his game as Dirk does on his?

                Lay it on the line for us.
                Im just saying, if Peja had a coach like Dirk, if Peja was on a team like that, i dont "think" but i KNOW he would "improve" his game to... heck, even Sarunas would improve with Avery. Dirk "improved" because he changed his game, NBA veterans cant "work hard to improve their game" no more, but they can "work hard on changing their game" or as you say it "Melt in" with the different tactics/plays/systems you gona use. Its very easy to change your game, you just have to know what you are doing and realise the consequences and trust your Coach/Teammates.

                Second of all, why i said "if peja was on a team like that", because if Peja would play like Dirk for the Pacers it would change everybodys games/roles and change your teams tactics/system... sure it would be great for Pejas PPG stats, but how will that affect JO? S-Jax? Tinsley? Granger? AJ? etc. ? Will that change his teammates to? Will they "improve" because Peja "improved"? Who will be the ultimate perimeter shooter THEN? Will they win more games like this? Is Carlisle really a coach like Avery? Very difficult...

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                • #23
                  Re: Can Peja change his game like Dirk has

                  Originally posted by Hicks
                  Where is it written in stone he doesn't work during the offseason? First this place has taken the "he's soft" crap and driven it into the ground, now the latest round of "Kick the Peja" involves him not working hard during the summer?

                  He has admitted it himself.
                  You, Never? Did the Kenosha Kid?

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                  • #24
                    Re: Can Peja change his game like Dirk has

                    Peja has gotten alot better at moving without the ball since coming to Indy. In Sactown he was a spot up shooter who hardly ever moved inside the 3pt line. I think we need to keep him in Indy. If we can ever land a true center and if JO decides to step up his game we'll need a guy like Peja for JO and them to kick out too for a open three.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Can Peja change his game like Dirk has

                      Originally posted by Hicks
                      Where is it written in stone he doesn't work during the offseason? First this place has taken the "he's soft" crap and driven it into the ground, now the latest round of "Kick the Peja" involves him not working hard during the summer?

                      He is on record as saying, "I don't do basketball at home."

                      He's also said that he doesn't work to change his game, because that's not who he is.

                      I'm not bashing him with this, but having watched him all these years and listened to his comments, both during the year and at his charity basketball events in the summer, it's pretty clear. Peja does not LIVE for the game of basketball. Basketball provides him with a good living. Basic conceptual difference.

                      Now, on the other hand? Peja was one of the few people on our team capable of consistently frustrating Dirk Nowitzki. In the Western Conference, that was pretty impressive all by itself.
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                      • #26
                        Re: Can Peja change his game like Dirk has

                        Originally posted by Redneck #007
                        Peja has gotten alot better at moving without the ball since coming to Indy. In Sactown he was a spot up shooter who hardly ever moved inside the 3pt line. I think we need to keep him in Indy. If we can ever land a true center and if JO decides to step up his game we'll need a guy like Peja for JO and them to kick out too for a open three.
                        That's not exactly true, either. When we had Vlade at the high post, looking for Peja, they were an awesome combination. Peja has ALWAYS been good at moving without the ball. The problem came once Vlade and Webber and Doug were gone. Those were the three guys who seemed to look for Peja the most. Peja is very good at back door cuts; but it doesn't do much good if no one is going to get him the ball.
                        NBA basketball - taking my breath away since 1963.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Can Peja change his game like Dirk has

                          Originally posted by Hicks
                          Where is it written in stone he doesn't work during the offseason? First this place has taken the "he's soft" crap and driven it into the ground, now the latest round of "Kick the Peja" involves him not working hard during the summer?

                          Don't you just love it?

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                          • #28
                            Re: Can Peja change his game like Dirk has

                            Originally posted by Lord Helmet
                            Don't you just love it?

                            :shakehead
                            Um, it was just explained to be true, and in fact not 'hate' or whatever.

                            Like VF said, Peja isn't all about basketball, it's just something he does. He's just got different priorities, and doesn't work on the other stuff a whole lot.
                            You, Never? Did the Kenosha Kid?

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                            • #29
                              Re: Can Peja change his game like Dirk has

                              Originally posted by SoupIsGood
                              Um, it was just explained to be true, and in fact not 'hate' or whatever.

                              Like VF said, Peja isn't all about basketball, it's just something he does. He's just got different priorities, and doesn't work on the other stuff a whole lot.
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                              • #30
                                Re: Can Peja change his game like Dirk has

                                A coach may use Peja differently and Peja may be capable. However going by what Peja says about himself I don't believe he is going to dedicate himself to changing his game. My opinion is that he is satisfied with were he is at. He doesn't strike me as a hungry player. No eye of the tiger in Peja.
                                "They could turn out to be only innocent mathematicians, I suppose," muttered Woevre's section officer, de Decker.

                                "'Only.'" Woevre was amused. "Someday you'll explain to me how that's possible. Seeing that, on the face of it, all mathematics leads, doesn't it, sooner or later, to some kind of human suffering."

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