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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

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B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

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Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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Top 6 rap albums of all time

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  • #16
    Re: Top 6 rap albums of all time

    Originally posted by Jermaniac
    ROCK N ROLL DUDE, Lets go run our heads into each other and call it dancing. ROCKIN TIME BRO

    Must of hit a soft spot

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    • #17
      Re: Top 6 rap albums of all time

      in no particular order and more than 6, and not reall of all time, just what im into right now

      JayZ- Reasonable Doubt, Blueprint
      Nas- Illmatic
      Wutang- 36 Chambers
      Eminem- Marshall Mathers
      Outkast- Aquemini
      Brother Ali- Shadows on the Sun www.rhymesayers.com
      Atmosphere- The Lucy Ford EPs www.rhymesayers.com
      Mars Ill- Pro*Pain www.marsill.com
      GZA- Liquid Swords
      Kanye West- The COllege Dropout
      Blackalicious- Blazing Arrow www.quannum.com
      Murs- 3:16 the 9th Edition www.definitivejux.net
      Spikes gonna rip off my face and wear it on Halloween!

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      • #18
        Re: Top 6 rap albums of all time

        Originally posted by pacerlife
        Must of hit a soft spot
        I dont have a soft spot. Its simple if you dont like Rap stay your *** out of the thread and dont talk about it. I dont listen to rock,pop or country, so when I see a thread about it I dont go into the thread trashing the music.

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        • #19
          Re: Top 6 rap albums of all time

          i agree with Jermaniac... and Rick u got a nice list going man... not a big Eminem fan dont like his style but i guess u gotta give him props for doing what he does soo well

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          • #20
            Re: Top 6 rap albums of all time

            eminem's stuff on his first 3records, and thats not on d12 records is good.
            but yeah Marshall Mathers LP was when i was really big into em.

            Reading your post made me put on NY State of Mind. i forgot how awesome that song was.

            Ive reall gotten into the "underground" Indie rappers- MF DOOM, Atmosphere, Bro Ali, Eyedea and Abilities, Aesop Rock, Murs, El-P, Glue.
            and also the "middle ground" Mos Def, Talib Kweli, Common
            those kind of groups, i was and still am very sick of the pop music that passes for hip hop these days, the 50cents, Nellys, Francise Boys, Lil Jons.

            its good to hear real lyricism with some real content,
            Spikes gonna rip off my face and wear it on Halloween!

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            • #21
              Re: Top 6 rap albums of all time

              Originally posted by Jermaniac
              I dont have a soft spot. Its simple if you dont like Rap stay your *** out of the thread and dont talk about it. I dont listen to rock,pop or country, so when I see a thread about it I dont go into the thread trashing the music.
              Yeah, but it doesn't warrant you going overboard and doing the same thing. Just stay calm and say something like "If you don't like this music, then don't post here."

              Sorry if I'm sounding like a parent or something, just trying to help.

              Back to the thread, I'd say Marshall Mathers LP would be Top 10-15. I liked it. I really liked Em's old stuff, his first two CD's. I like them all, but those are the best IMO.

              I am also starting to really like Jay-Z. I loved the Black Album. I loved the music and the raps. Loved that CD. I need to get The Blueprint and Reasonable Doubt.

              I also agree with RickDerris, I don't like too much mainstream rap. I like stuff that has good lyrics and means something. Jay-Z, Tupac, B.I.G, Em, all do, IMO.
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              • #22
                Re: Top 6 rap albums of all time

                Rick has a good list, College Dropout and Marshall Mathers Lp are two of my favorites

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                • #23
                  Re: Top 6 rap albums of all time

                  if you like JayZ you should check out the DVD "Fade To Black"
                  its his big Madison Sq. Garden show, and its intercut with clips of him making the Black Album with Kanye, Pharell, Just Blaze, RICK RUBIN (!) and Timbo.

                  the concert footage is great.


                  im listening to Glue right now. the stuff on thier myspace site is great.
                  www.myspace.com/glue

                  Check out "Early Morning Silence" for sure
                  Spikes gonna rip off my face and wear it on Halloween!

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                  • #24
                    Re: Top 6 rap albums of all time

                    There are lot of good artists/albums listed here, I listen to a lot of them. Here are my top six lists:

                    Texas
                    6. Guerilla Maab - Rise
                    5. DJ Screw - 3 ‘n The Mornin’, Pt. 2
                    4. Devin - The Dude
                    3. Scarface - The World Is Yours (or The Fix, The Diary, Mr. Scarface is Back)
                    2. UGK - Super Tight (or Ridin' Dirty, Too Hard To Swallow)
                    1. The D.O.C. - No One Can Do It Better

                    Non-Texas
                    6. Gang Starr - The Ownerz
                    5. Ras Kass - Rasassination
                    4. Dr. Dre - The Chronic
                    3. Makaveli - The Don Killuminati: The 7 Day Theory
                    2. Eightball & M.J.G. - Comin’ Out Hard
                    1. Outkast - Southernplayalisticadillacmusik

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                    • #25
                      Re: Top 6 rap albums of all time

                      i almost forgot about The D-O to the C......


                      great job on listing him in ur texas part

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                      • #26
                        Re: Top 6 rap albums of all time

                        I have a pretty eclectic taste in music, and I do like rap, but I am not a hardcore fan. I tend to like where rap/rock have merged together, in bands like Linkin Park for example.

                        Most of the stuff that I do like and/or respect is well represented here, and most of it is old school. I like Public Enemy, NWA, and Snoop for example, but I also own most of Eminem's stuff.

                        I don't feel qualified to give a list of the best 6 of all time (Chris Rock put together a list for Rolling Stone recently by the way), but I do see a couple of old school groups missing. Run DMC and the Beastie Boys at the very least have been pioneers. If I had to pick one album from each it would be Rasing Hell and Paul's Boutique respectively.
                        When you're playing against a stacked deck, compete even harder. Show the world how much you'll fight for the winners circle. If you do, someday the cellophane will crackle off a fresh pack, one that belongs to you, and the cards will be stacked in your favor.
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                        • #27
                          Re: Top 6 rap albums of all time

                          I can't do a top six list but I do enjoy some rap. It's definitely music. But i don't like most "party" rap. Or most of it that has to do with hoes/*****es and how much money you make. I do like Kanye West, Mos Def, unfunny Eminem, Beastie Boys, and Jay Z to name a few.
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                          • #28
                            Re: Top 6 rap albums of all time

                            1. Dr. Dre - The Chronic
                            2. 2Pac - All Eyez On Me
                            3. Notorious B.I.G. - Life After Death
                            4. Snoop - Doggystyle
                            5. Too Short - Cocktails
                            6. Mac Dre - Thizzelle Washington

                            Not exactly in that order

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                            • #29
                              Re: Top 6 rap albums of all time

                              YEAH!!! EV REPRESENTIN THE YAY AREA

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                              • #30
                                Re: Top 6 rap albums of all time

                                Originally posted by Lord Helmet
                                Yeah, but it doesn't warrant you going overboard and doing the same thing. Just stay calm and say something like "If you don't like this music, then don't post here."

                                Sorry if I'm sounding like a parent or something, just trying to help.

                                Back to the thread, I'd say Marshall Mathers LP would be Top 10-15. I liked it. I really liked Em's old stuff, his first two CD's. I like them all, but those are the best IMO.

                                I am also starting to really like Jay-Z. I loved the Black Album. I loved the music and the raps. Loved that CD. I need to get The Blueprint and Reasonable Doubt.

                                I also agree with RickDerris, I don't like too much mainstream rap. I like stuff that has good lyrics and means something. Jay-Z, Tupac, B.I.G, Em, all do, IMO.
                                It's cool, I pretty much deserved a flame back.

                                But in all honesty I just wrote it for giggles.
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