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    Default Pacers tell Mardy Collins he is on their radar at 17

    Posted on Mon, Jun. 26, 2006

    homegrown star: Temple's Collins logs workout mileage.
    By Mike Jensen


    Inquirer Staff Writer

    The mock NBA drafts have former Temple guard Mardy Collins all over the first round, from the late lottery to the last picks of the round.

    Judging by the feedback Collins has been getting, those mock drafts probably have it right. He figures he could go anywhere in that range.

    Recent weeks have been stressful ones, Collins said, because he has been flying all over the country, working out for as many NBA teams as possible, trying to answer any questions they have about his game.

    "It's real tiring," Collins said last week in a telephone interview from Indianapolis, after working out with the Indiana Pacers. "You're in a different city every day."

    Sort of like the NBA itself... .

    "Except those guys aren't in coach class - my knee banging up against the back of the chair in front of me," Collins said.

    He wasn't complaining. He knows that one of the chief purposes of these workouts is to test players, find out how competitive they are under difficult conditions, in addition to getting to know them as people and seeing their conditioning.

    Collins, who played at Simon Gratz High, averaged 16.8 points per game as a Temple senior and led the Owls with an average of 4.0 assists.

    As a 6-foot-6 guard, he feels confident that he has impressed a lot of teams with his man-to-man defending, against both big and small guards. Another asset is how strong he is with the ball.

    The biggest questions? His shooting and quickness.

    Collins knows that. He figured that of the 10 workouts he had taken part in to that point, he had shot well in four. In others, he was so-so from the outside, Collins said, although he believes that in virtually all of them he demonstrated his ability to get to the basket and to make good decisions.

    The scouting reports from his Temple games will show all that, and his Owls coaches believed that Collins had one of the highest basketball IQs they had ever seen.


    How all that fits in, Collins can't know before Wednesday's draft. The teams have a battery of questions for him. When those are done, they typically ask whether Collins has any questions. He usually asks where they see him fitting in on their team. That's what he asked last week of Larry Bird, the Pacers' president of basketball operations, and Rick Carlisle, Indiana's coach.


    The bottom line: Their answers tell him he will be in the NBA next year. He won't be taking commercial flights.

    "They said I'm definitely on their radar for the 17th pick," Collins said.
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    Default Re: Pacers tell Mardy Collins he is on their radar at 17

    This from NBA Draft.net


    Mardy Collins
    Birthdate: 8/4/84
    NBA Position: PG/SG
    College: Temple
    Class: Senior
    Ht: 6-6
    Wt: 205
    Hometown: Philadelphia, PA
    High School: Simon Gratz
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    NBA Comparison: Aaron McKie

    Strengths: At 6-6 he's got the ability to run the show from the point guard position ... Very smooth offensive abilities ... Plays a controlled game, doesn't try to be too flashy or make spectacular plays, keeps it simple and effective ... Excellent vision and passing ... Shooting mechanics and fundamentals are very good ... Good ball handler ... Long arms help out with closing passing lanes and getting to the rim ... Good defender coming out of the Temple system which emphasizes defense ... Excellent at anticipating passes, ball hawking style ... Great team player, excellent versatility ... Extremely durable player, plays almost 40 minutes every game, and rarely if ever misses a start.
    Weaknesses: Never a bigtime scorer, although the Temple system limits him somewhat in that regard ... Shooting %s have never been great from outside, although these numbers get hurt by collapsing defenses and forced shots taken with the shot clock running low ... Lacks a very athletic body, especially on appearance ... Not a very physical player, should use his size advantage better offensively ... Not a huge leaper, lacks great explosiveness or a devastating first step ... Upside is decent, but not off the charts ... One of those guys who is solid in a number of areas, but fails to stand out in any one area ... Must become better at moving without the ball, can be a little too ball dependant ... Free throw shooting is below average ...

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    I think that Mardy Collins would be a good pick-up at the 17 if Rondo is already gone. A PG with good size could help off-set starting Fred at the 2, where the two players could switch on the defensive end. If you were to get a pre-injury Aaron McKie at the #17 in such a weak draft, I think that you did pretty well.

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    Default Re: Pacers tell Mardy Collins he is on their radar at 17

    This is a standard answer the Pacers give everyone they work out.
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    Default Re: Pacers tell Mardy Collins he is on their radar at 17

    You are right Kaufman. They probably told him that so that he would leak the information. This is probably a smoke screen, but I do like Collins as a player. He was held back a bit by the system at Temple.

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    I think Collins sounds like a good draft choice. I don't believe this news means we'll take him, but we should at least be considering him. Having a truly strong defensive PG, and a big one no less, could do wonders for us.

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    Default Re: Pacers tell Mardy Collins he is on their radar at 17

    He reminds me of another Temple guy, Eddie Jones. Not on the same scale athletically as Eddie was coming out of college (someone find the clip of the fingerroll from 18 feet or the dunk over 2 people from the free throw line), but he's very similar.

    Every player at Temple ends up being a good defender and Collins has Eddie's size and long arms as well.

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    Is that the same Gratz High School that Rasheed went to?
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    I doubt the Pacers take Collins. He is slow and this team is slow enough
    on the perimeter.


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    Default Re: Pacers tell Mardy Collins he is on their radar at 17

    A point guard who is slow and can't shoot...yeah we really need ANOTHER one of those.
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    Default Re: Pacers tell Mardy Collins he is on their radar at 17

    "Pacers tell Mardy Collins he is on their radar at 17."

    Translated:

    "Sorry, Mardy there is no chance in hell we are taking you, but you make a damn good smoke screen."

    Just say no to Mardy his stock has dropped like a rock. Anyone's who is compared to Aaron McKie is not someone I want around.

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    Default Re: Pacers tell Mardy Collins he is on their radar at 17

    i'd be somewhat disappointed if we selected Collins

    there are other prospects i'd have selected before Collins

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    Anyone's who is compared to Aaron McKie is not someone I want around.
    I can tell you are 18 from that comment.

    He's had a 12 year career cut short by injuries, but at his peak a few years ago was a top 6th man and a very solid draft pick at (ironically) the 17th pick of the 1994 draft.

    The Pacers could and a lot of other teams could do a lot worse than pick somebody like a healthy Aaron McKie.

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    Default Re: Pacers tell Mardy Collins he is on their radar at 17

    Actually, asides from that nice little run he had with Philly back in the early 2000's, Aaron McKie has pretty much sucked ***.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve McQueen
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    Actually, asides from that nice little run he had with Philly back in the early 2000's, Aaron McKie has pretty much sucked ***.
    Actually, he is a lot better than most players.

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    Somebody please make a list of #17 picks in the NBA draft over the past 20 years and we can line them up by skill levels.

    I guarantee you that McKie will be nowhere near the back.

    I'm not saying he was great, but it's pretty rare to get an all-star or even a high-impact starter with the #17 pick.


    Players picked BEFORE Aaron McKie in 1994:

    6 PHI Sharone Wright Clemson
    11 SEA Carlos Rogers Tennessee State
    12 MIA Khalid Reeves Arizona
    14 NJN Yinka Dare George Washington
    16 GSW Clifford Rozier
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    Default Re: Pacers tell Mardy Collins he is on their radar at 17

    mckie did have one very good year that i can remember
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    Actually, he is a lot better than most players.
    You wouldn't happen to be related to Mr. McKie would you? What has he ever done prior to, or after, his stint in Philly? I don't even recall what teams hes played on the past few years....I think he was with the Lakers this past season?

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    Default Re: Pacers tell Mardy Collins he is on their radar at 17

    OK since PT asked here it is

    2004 - Josh Smith
    2003 - Zarko Cabarkapa
    2002 - Juan Dixon
    2001 - Michael Bradley
    2000 - Desmond Mason
    1999 - Cal Bowdler
    1998 - Nesterovic
    1997 - Johnny Taylor
    1996 - JO
    1995 - Bob Sura
    1994 - McKie
    1993 - Greg Graham
    1992 - Doug Christie
    1991 - Victor Alexander
    1990 - Jerrod Mustaf


    History shows draft picks are always over valued prior to the draft. At 17 if you can get a guy who is in the league for 10 years and starts for one or two years, you have a great pick

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    JO, Josh Smith, Juan Dixon, Desmond Mason, Sura, Christie, and maybe Rasho would be above McKie.


    So he's 8th on the 15 man list, so Aaron McKie is about the average you would expect for a #17 pick.

    That's not getting me all excited going into Wednesday.
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    Ok who a player is compared to means nothing! Freaking Luke Ridnour was compared to John Stockton just because both are short and white. Luke doesn't player like Stockton. Don't pay attention to comparrisons!

    With that said, I still wouldn't want Collins. A good defender and durable but I feel like we need some speed on the perminter. The fact that Collins is so durable makes him intriguing IMO.

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    Default Re: Pacers tell Mardy Collins he is on their radar at 17

    When I talked to the Pacers a few weeks ago they told me that I too was on the radar screen...
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    I can tell you are 18 from that comment.

    He's had a 12 year career cut short by injuries, but at his peak a few years ago was a top 6th man and a very solid draft pick at (ironically) the 17th pick of the 1994 draft.

    The Pacers could and a lot of other teams could do a lot worse than pick somebody like a healthy Aaron McKie.

    Let me rephrase, I think there are better prospects than Collins. Personally I just think it is unwise to use a first rounder on a guy you know will at best be McKie. Collins is not what we need. We need speed and athleticism. Diaz, Douby, S. Williams etc. are all guys I would take before McKie. Trust me I remember seeing McKie in Philly and I was not all that impressed.

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    Pacers seem to have good luck with players picked at the 17th spot....JO...Granger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unclebuck
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    OK since PT asked here it is

    2004 - Josh Smith
    2003 - Zarko Cabarkapa
    2002 - Juan Dixon
    2001 - Michael Bradley
    2000 - Desmond Mason
    1999 - Cal Bowdler
    1998 - Nesterovic
    1997 - Johnny Taylor
    1996 - JO
    1995 - Bob Sura
    1994 - McKie
    1993 - Greg Graham
    1992 - Doug Christie
    1991 - Victor Alexander
    1990 - Jerrod Mustaf


    History shows draft picks are always over valued prior to the draft. At 17 if you can get a guy who is in the league for 10 years and starts for one or two years, you have a great pick
    UB, you are spot on here. Prospects get ranked against each other, so when the draft is especially weak the players look much better than they actually are. What compounds this fact is that in weak draft years, college basketball is usually at a downpoint in terms of talent (hence the weak draft), which makes it harder to get handle on players' skill level. If you can get a guy that outlives his rookie contract due do a strenght in one area of the game (exceptional shooter, great defender, etc...) in this draft at the #17, then you have done your homework. The majority of the 2006 first round will be in Europe in three years.

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