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    Will Adelman, Wells be part of Kings' promising future?

    By GREG BEACHAM, AP Sports Writer
    May 6, 2006

    SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP)
    -- Just four months ago, the Sacramento Kings' window for a championship run appeared to be closed. A whole new window is open now, thanks to Ron Artest -- and he's determined to push his team through it.

    Although the Kings' eighth consecutive playoff trip ended Friday night with a six-game first-round loss to the San Antonio Spurs, there was an abundance of optimism and excitement in their locker room.


    After floundering through the first half of the season, Sacramento reached the playoffs and gave a profound battle to the defending NBA champions. With a more forgiving bracket, the Kings might have advanced to a later round -- something that seemed unfathomable back in January before Artest arrived in Sacramento to save the season.

    "It definitely feels like home, and I think it will be home for a long, long time," said Artest, who's under contract for at least two more years. "The season was great. (The playoff series) could have gone either way. ... In Game 5 (with the series tied 2-2), we had the game tied 93-93, and we made a couple of defensive mistakes. I can't see that happening next year."

    The Kings won 25 of their last 36 regular-season games shortly after Artest was acquired in a trade for Peja Stojakovic, the last remaining player from the 1999 roster that thrilled the NBA with its wide-open, free-flowing style in the first of eight straight trips to the playoffs.

    Coach Rick Adelman's team has a completely different look now -- and so does Adelman, a longtime offense-first coach who presided over his defense-dominated club's impressive late-season run with the same management skills that have produced 752 career victories.

    But Adelman doesn't have a contract for next season, and the Kings' decision on his future could determine whether this dramatic rebuilding project can stand up to the stress of a full season.

    "I'm really proud of the way the guys finished this season, because people had written us off -- said we were done as a franchise," said Adelman, who didn't want to discuss his future Friday night. "We've built a great foundation for the stuff we want to be able to do. I'm very optimistic about it."

    Adelman and Geoff Petrie, the Kings' president of basketball operations, will have to decide the coach's future soon -- with ample input from owners Joe and Gavin Maloof, who tentatively courted Phil Jackson last summer while Adelman was still employed by the club.

    None of the involved parties -- not Adelman, Petrie or the Maloofs -- has indicated whether Adelman expects to return, or whether he's even welcome.

    Bonzi Wells' future also will be up for discussion when he becomes an unrestricted free agent this summer after one season with Sacramento. Wells was injured for a large part of the regular season, but turned into a monster in the playoffs, terrorizing the Spurs with scoring, rebounding and tough defense.


    "It's very realistic," Wells said of a return to Sacramento. "I told them when I got here that I don't want to move any more, so if I'm not here next year, it's totally up to them. I want to be here. I want to do everything it takes to be a King for the rest of my career. ... I love the city, and I love the fans. They can sign me if they want to."

    Wells probably earned a big contract with his series, but the Kings might not be the ones to provide it if he sticks to his desire for a five- or six-year deal. Sacramento already has lengthy, expensive deals with most of its core -- and Kevin Martin, the second-year pro who made a buzzer-beating layup in Game 3 over Tim Duncan, might be ready for a starting job.

    Petrie also must decide whether changes must be made to that core. Center Brad Miller flopped in the playoffs at the end of an underwhelming season, averaging just 9.2 points and 3.0 rebounds while repeatedly getting benched in the second half.

    Mike Bibby also struggled in the postseason with a low shooting percentage and spotty defense on Tony Parker, who scored a playoff career-high 31 points in Game 6 despite a bruised right leg to close an outstanding series. Bibby and Miller both struggle on defense as well.

    But after rebuilding his entire roster over the previous 18 months, Petrie might decide to build continuity and teamwork in his core while searching for suitable role players. Martin and rookie Francisco Garcia will come back older and wiser, but the Kings could use a better backup point guard and more depth in the frontcourt.

    But as long as Artest remains the charismatic, energetic, controversy-free (well, except for his one-game playoff suspension) superstar he became in 3 1/2 months in Northern California, the Kings will be on the NBA map.

    "I'm just excited for the future," Artest said. "It's going to be good."


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    I'll take Bibby please...

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    I want Adelman!
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    I'll take Bibby please...
    He makes 12 mil next year, and he's got three years left on his contract.
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    He makes 12 mil next year, and he's got three years left on his contract.
    And he can play more then 70 games a season.

    I'l take Wells and let Peja go.
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    And he can play more then 70 games a season.

    I'l take Wells and let Peja go.
    You want Wells...I thought we were trying to PURGE THIS TEAM OF KNUCKLE HEADS AND OTHER DEGINERATES Why would you want another one?
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    And he can play more then 70 games a season.

    I'l take Wells and let Peja go.
    We can sign Peja, we can't sign Wells.
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    I don't want Adelman

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    I don't want Adelman
    Why not? I think he'd be a great fit.
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    Why not? I think he'd be a great fit.

    Simply put: he doesn't emphasize defense enough. That is it more than anything.

    He also runs a very loose ship, soft practices, soft training camp, country club atmosphere

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    i'd take bibby in a heartbeat. the guy played 82 games this season and is one of the more consistent PG's in league.

    think the kings would give him up for tinsley, foster, and a pick or two?

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    Simply put: he doesn't emphasize defense enough. That is it more than anything.

    He also runs a very loose ship, soft practices, soft training camp, country club atmosphere
    How do you know this?

    Paul Westhead coached Loyola-Marymount 15-20 years ago when they averaged about 110 points per game. He said that the key was 'defense' , but it was a helter skelter defense that tried to get the other team to shoot the ball within 5 seconds of crossing the half court line.

    So, even though they gave up a ton of points, they emphasized defense. It was key to their approach to the game.

    For all I know, Adelman might put most of his focus on defense. I know when he coached Portland in the 89-92 era, those were GREAT defensive teams.

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    How do you know this?

    Paul Westhead coached Loyola-Marymount 15-20 years ago when they averaged about 110 points per game. He said that the key was 'defense' , but it was a helter skelter defense that tried to get the other team to shoot the ball within 5 seconds of crossing the half court line.

    So, even though they gave up a ton of points, they emphasized defense. It was key to their approach to the game.

    For all I know, Adelman might put most of his focus on defense. I know when he coached Portland in the 89-92 era, those were GREAT defensive teams.

    Well I don't like helter skelter defense.

    And I used to watch a lot of college basketball back then and I watched a lot of Loyola-Marymount games, and they played terrible defense. And then when he coached the Nuggets it was beyond horrible.


    That Blazers team had a number of great defenders on that team. Porter, Kersey and Buck Williams were all first team defensive type players and Clyde was pretty good also.


    How do I know Adelman does not emphasize defense, two ways. I can tell by watching them play defense. Beyond that, the players say that, the writers say it, heck Peja said it when he became a Pacer. .

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    Simply put: he doesn't emphasize defense enough. That is it more than anything.

    He also runs a very loose ship, soft practices, soft training camp, country club atmosphere
    Who cares? It's more important to get a coach that fits what your team needs. If he happens to not be obsessive about defense, then so be it.

    Adelman is great dealing with the 'attitude' players, produces good offensive teams, and isn't cooky about not playing young players like Carlisle is.

    The "defense-first" philosophy has been run into the ground here in Indiana. It's time for something different, something that addresses the needs of the team.

    How do you know he runs a 'loose ship?'

    Also, Adelman has produced good defensive teams when given good defensive players, IMO. It's not as if he is Don Nelson (in Dallas anyway) or something.
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    SIG, There is no doubt the Pacers certainly could get a worse coach than Adelman. He's a pretty good coach, but after that I guess we just disagree on what a coach should emphasize.

    As far as: how I know he runs a loose ship, I've read comments from former players that he runs a loose ship. There might not be anything wrong with that a lot of NBA coaches run a loose ship, but I just don't think that is the best way to coach.


    If somehow Adelman becomes the Pacers next coach, I wouldn't be excited about and I'd have some serious concerns about it, but like I said they could do a lot worse, so I wouldn't cause a big fuss

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    SIG, There is no doubt the Pacers certainly could get a worse coach than Adelman. He's a pretty good coach, but after that I guess we just disagree on what a coach should emphasize.

    As far as: how I know he runs a loose ship, I've read comments from former players that he runs a loose ship. There might not be anything wrong with that a lot of NBA coaches run a loose ship, but I just don't think that is the best way to coach.
    I actually agree with you philosophically. Defense should be stressed.... although I don't really know where I stand on the 'loose ship' thing.

    I really, really like Rick as a coach, but I don't think he fits our team anymore. He is a coach you get if you have a team that can contend for a title next year.

    We are a team that likely won't be doing that too soon, and we need to rebuild the foundation. As much as I like Rick (Carlisle) I don't really trust him to help accomplish that...
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    Don't go counting on Bonzi, Adelman OR Miller being available, guys.

    Bonzi Wells will be re-sgined. That's about as big a no-brainer as you can get, considering the Maloof's feelings about high impact players. They LOVE the Bonzi Wells "reformed black sheep" type of guy and I think they're already thinking about what they'll offer...

    I really question how some of you who have never been in Sacramento can talk with supposed authority about how Rick Adelman runs his camps and his training sessions. Keep in mind if we hadn't had some pretty horrendous injuries, that soft coach you're referring to might well have led us to at least one championship.

    As far as Miller goes, that's the one mystery... He always seems to fade in the stretch, but this is ridiculous. He didn't fade; he flat out disappeared.

    Former players, BTW, aren't always the best people to ask about former coaches and teammates. There's a different between a relaxed, non-dictatorial atmosphere in a practice session and a loose ship. Sometimes it's all in the perception.

    Bottom line is I don't think the Kings are going to be making a lot of bargain basement clearance sales, despite what you might read, especially at the national level. Some of those hacks couldn't find Sacramento on a map let alone tell you how to get from the airport to Arco. (That's a snide comment since you can actually SEE Arco Arena from the airport.)
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    Having said all that, if you'd like to make an offer on Kenny Thomas, I'm sure we can oblige.
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    what are the chances we trade JO to the Kings lol. O'Neal-Artest reunion eh?!

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    Don't go counting on Bonzi, Adelman OR Miller being available, guys.

    Bonzi Wells will be re-sgined. That's about as big a no-brainer as you can get, considering the Maloof's feelings about high impact players. They LOVE the Bonzi Wells "reformed black sheep" type of guy and I think they're already thinking about what they'll offer...

    I really question how some of you who have never been in Sacramento can talk with supposed authority about how Rick Adelman runs his camps and his training sessions. Keep in mind if we hadn't had some pretty horrendous injuries, that soft coach you're referring to might well have led us to at least one championship.

    As far as Miller goes, that's the one mystery... He always seems to fade in the stretch, but this is ridiculous. He didn't fade; he flat out disappeared.

    Former players, BTW, aren't always the best people to ask about former coaches and teammates. There's a different between a relaxed, non-dictatorial atmosphere in a practice session and a loose ship. Sometimes it's all in the perception.

    Bottom line is I don't think the Kings are going to be making a lot of bargain basement clearance sales, despite what you might read, especially at the national level. Some of those hacks couldn't find Sacramento on a map let alone tell you how to get from the airport to Arco. (That's a snide comment since you can actually SEE Arco Arena from the airport.)
    Well, I was watching I think Game 6, and they interviewed one of the Maloofs.

    They asked him about Wells, and he seemed really confident about wanting to resign him. Something like "We're going to try to get a deal done," but it sounded like "HE'S NOT LEAVING AND I DON'T CARE HOW MUCH MONEY IT TAKES!!"

    OK, maybe not quite like that, but you get the idea.

    Then he was asked about Adelman, and only gave a cop-out answer, something like "We'll evalute that at the end of the season."

    That makes me think that Adelman may still be available.

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    One other thing I don't like about Adelman that I forgot to mention, he plays his starters way too many minutes.

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    Look at our bench...
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    Well, I was watching I think Game 6, and they interviewed one of the Maloofs.

    They asked him about Wells, and he seemed really confident about wanting to resign him. Something like "We're going to try to get a deal done," but it sounded like "HE'S NOT LEAVING AND I DON'T CARE HOW MUCH MONEY IT TAKES!!"

    OK, maybe not quite like that, but you get the idea.
    Your read on what he was really saying is spot on.

    The last time we saw Gavin Maloof (the more round faced and enthusiastic one) that excited was when they wanted to make sure Webber re-signed with us. They took out billboards promising they'd mow his lawn if he stayed...

    Then he was asked about Adelman, and only gave a cop-out answer, something like "We'll evalute that at the end of the season."

    That makes me think that Adelman may still be available.

    (Please)
    As far as what Gavin said, I think they learned their lesson with the behind-the-back talks with Jackson's agent last year. I don't think they'll say anything in public until they've met with Rick, Petrie, et al and reached some kind of decision in private.

    There may be simply too many things that have gone on for the Maloofs to keep Adelman. And if he leaves, a lot of us think it could be a very big mistake. We simply don't know. I may not always agree with what the head office does at the time it's done, but in retrospect I find very little to disagree with, all things considered. If they do decide that it's time for new blood in the coaching position, it's quite possible Adelman might even take a year off and just unwind.
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    To all of you wanting Mike Bibby: WTF?

    Mike Bibby may be the worst defensive point gaurd in the NBA. That would kill our team, and is the major reason that I'm not as rosy about the King's future as everyone else. Did no one else see the difference between Tony Parker's play against the Kings and his play in the Mavs game yesterday?

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