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    Perhaps I am the only one that is intrigued by this, but in the Mike Wells article it mentioned that Danny would be working on his dribbling this off season in order to play some shooting guard. Personally I really like this. It gives us the capability to start both Peja and Danny, which is perfect if you ask me. Thoughts??

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    This makes no sense. The Pacers need to S&t Peja, and Jax and then find a nw 2 guard and start Granger at the 3!!!

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    I hate this.

    Stop trying to have multi-role players. For the love of God this guy rebounds like Dale Davis the last thing I want him doing is dribbling on the perimater while making entry passes to Jermaine.

    Now I have nothing against him working on his ball handling because the one thing right now that he is missing is an ability to attack the bucket. But for the love of God could we please not try this with him.

    I'd rather see him play the four spot than the two spot & I don't even want him there.

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    I hate this.

    Stop trying to have multi-role players. For the love of God this guy rebounds like Dale Davis the last thing I want him doing is dribbling on the perimater while making entry passes to Jermaine.

    Now I have nothing against him working on his ball handling because the one thing right now that he is missing is an ability to attack the bucket. But for the love of God could we please not try this with him.

    I'd rather see him play the four spot than the two spot & I don't even want him there.
    I 100% agree with you on this Peck. We have a player who could become a difference maker at SF. I don't think he would be close to beying such a player at either SG (bye, bye rebounds) or PF (I don't think he has the frame to bang with those guys for years and years and I don't want him to become an injury risk in a few years because we player him too much at the PF-position). He can perform well at both SG and PF, but he won't be special there, while I think he would be at his natural SF-position.

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    I 100% agree with you on this Peck. We have a player who could become a difference maker at SF. I don't think he would be close to beying such a player at either SG (bye, bye rebounds) or PF (I don't think he has the frame to bang with those guys for years and years and I don't want him to become an injury risk in a few years because we player him too much at the PF-position). He can perform well at both SG and PF, but he won't be special there, while I think he would be at his natural SF-position.

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    Hmmm, your post got me to thinking. Have we been getting more than our share of injuries because the Pacers are playing players out of position? I know thats not so in Tinsley's case, but it could be in JO's. It could be in Foster's case too.

    You know I think that might have something to do with all our injuries. It's just been in the last few years that the Pacers have emphasized multi position players. It's also in the last few years that we have been having all the injuries.

    The 2000 team didn't have a lot of injuries, and they also didn't have a lot of players playing out of position.

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    Hmmm, your post got me to thinking. Have we been getting more than our share of injuries because the Pacers are playing players out of position? I know thats not so in Tinsley's case, but it could be in JO's. It could be in Foster's case too.

    You know I think that might have something to do with all our injuries. It's just been in the last few years that the Pacers have emphasized multi position players. It's also in the last few years that we have been having all the injuries.

    The 2000 team didn't have a lot of injuries, and they also didn't have a lot of players playing out of position.
    I think it certainly contributed to the number of injuries we have had. Or maybe a different way of looking at it is that once a player does get a certain injury then the risk of renewing that injury might be a lot bigger when he has to play out of position against say bigger guys, particularly if that player has to do that for extended periods of time or for several years on a row. Now I don't want Danny to get banged up unnessecary because we refuse to play the guy at the position he excells at. Sure, for a few games, no problem, but I don't think that is what we are talking about here.

    Jermaine and Foster seem to be good comparisons indeed. I'm not a specialist at all at this territory, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if it not at the very least would work that way.

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    I hate this.

    Stop trying to have multi-role players. For the love of God this guy rebounds like Dale Davis the last thing I want him doing is dribbling on the perimater while making entry passes to Jermaine.

    Now I have nothing against him working on his ball handling because the one thing right now that he is missing is an ability to attack the bucket. But for the love of God could we please not try this with him.

    I'd rather see him play the four spot than the two spot & I don't even want him there.

    Yep, and it scares me that the PTB are even considering it! My gosh, he is one of our best rebounders NOW, as a rookie and skinny. Dang decent shot blocker too. I have to reconsider my opinion of PTB talent evaluation if they try to make a guard out of this guy. Yeh he's a very good defender, but just like Artest it will WEAR HIM OUT if he's chasing much smaller and faster guards around the perimeter.
    It would seem obvious that they intend to resign Peja to even consider this. I would much prefer to sign and trade Peja for a REAL 2 guard and let Danny dominate the 3 minutes.

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    While Danny is best played at the 3, if Peja being re-signed is inevitable, I'd rather all avenues explored to get him on the floor, as opposed to him just being Peja's backup. Danny showed a rather astonishing ability to adapt for any player, let alone a rookie. After seeing his driving skills against NJ, I have no problem saying I'd rather have him at the 2 than Jack.

    And frankly, this team has a sad history of guys bulking up too much. If Danny's penciled in at the 4, he may very well start putting on muscle this summer in anticipation of the pounding he'll receive. That would only slow him down and limit his effectiveness defending the perimeter, where we need him most.
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    And frankly, this team has a sad history of guys bulking up too much. If Danny's penciled in at the 4, he may very well start putting on muscle this summer in anticipation of the pounding he'll receive. That would only slow him down and limit his effectiveness defending the perimeter, where we need him most.
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    If I see one more player bulk up with the Pacers I think I am going to scream.
    It did not work for Smits. It is not working for JO. It will not work for
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    if they try this again on Granger. Get stronger, not bigger.
    Reggie had it right. He knew he would be no good as a bulky player.
    But Reggie had good strength. JO needs to lose weight and become quicker.
    It resurrected Smits career.


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    Quote Originally Posted by owl
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    If I see one more player bulk up with the Pacers I think I am going to scream.
    It did not work for Smits. It is not working for JO. It will not work for
    Granger. The entire training staff and coaching staff should be fired
    if they try this again on Granger. Get stronger, not bigger.
    Reggie had it right. He knew he would be no good as a bulky player.
    But Reggie had good strength. JO needs to lose weight and become quicker.
    It resurrected Smits career.


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    Get stronger, not bigger.
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    Exactly, where did people get the idea adding muscle and working out was a bad thing? There is a big difference between adding pounds and getting muscle. To me that was probably Danny's biggest weakness this year, for as good as he was he could still get pushed around at times.

    On the same note, I've never heard where adding muscle made you slower.
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    Exactly, where did people get the idea adding muscle and working out was a bad thing? There is a big difference between adding pounds and getting muscle. To me that was probably Danny's biggest weakness this year, for as good as he was he could still get pushed around at times.

    On the same note, I've never heard where adding muscle made you slower.

    It's a myth, that people buy into, just like adding bulk is supposed to limit your range of motion.


    I'll throw this in as well, a direct quote from one of my profs. who I've mentioned several times and who happens to be a consultant for the Spurs.

    "Periodization involves shifting training priorities from non-sport-specific activities of high volume and low intensity to sport-specific activities of low volume and high intensity over a period of many weeks to prevent overtraining and optimize performance. Lifting prevents sport overtraining, injuries, and optimizes performances."

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    Exactly, where did people get the idea adding muscle and working out was a bad thing? There is a big difference between adding pounds and getting muscle. To me that was probably Danny's biggest weakness this year, for as good as he was he could still get pushed around at times.

    On the same note, I've never heard where adding muscle made you slower.
    Of course it doesn't. It makes you faster. It's adding too much MASS that some mistake getting stronger for.

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    I sort of agree with Kegboy - not so much to plan to play him at SG but there may be situations where moving him to SG makes sense. Just depends on matchups.

    In reality, whether he works on his ballhandling to help him take PF's out on the floor when he gets that matchup, take SF's off the dribble or to be able to play SG in a pinch is irrelevant - as long as the Pacers aren't going into the summer thinking, "We're going to move Danny to SG so we don't need to get someone if we move Jackson."

    His best spot's at SF - the team needs to be restructured on that basis.
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    I sort of agree with Kegboy - not so much to plan to play him at SG but there may be situations where moving him to SG makes sense. Just depends on matchups.

    In reality, whether he works on his ballhandling to help him take PF's out on the floor when he gets that matchup, take SF's off the dribble or to be able to play SG in a pinch is irrelevant - as long as the Pacers aren't going into the summer thinking, "We're going to move Danny to SG so we don't need to get someone if we move Jackson."

    His best spot's at SF - the team needs to be restructured on that basis.
    Hey, we agree. I just take it a step further in that I would be willing to S&T Peja for that purpose. I am NOT saying I don't want Danny not playing any SG or PF at all, I would rather limit it as much as possible though, so he can play by far the most of his minutes on SF.

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    Id much rather see Peja at the 2. Instead of making Danny work on his dribbling to be at the 2 we should set this regime for Peja because we have already seen that Peja can take it to the basket occasionally and draw fouls.

    This would mean Danny would play at his natural SF position and Im happy with that. Plus I doubt Peja will make as many bad decisions as Jax does.
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    Id much rather see Peja at the 2. Instead of making Danny work on his dribbling to be at the 2 we should set this regime for Peja because we have already seen that Peja can take it to the basket occasionally and draw fouls.

    This would mean Danny would play at his natural SF position and Im happy with that. Plus I doubt Peja will make as many bad decisions as Jax does.
    I think Peja won't be able to guard many of the Shooting Guards in the league and I also don't mind Danny working on his dribbling, I think it would be good for him and his game if he did that. It would make him more flexible and harder to defend as a defender has to take into account Danny can punish them in multipleways.

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    Id much rather see Peja at the 2.
    I'd much rather see Peja in a different jersey - preferably one that said "Wizards" across the front!

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    I'd much rather see Peja in a different jersey - preferably one that said "Wizards" across the front!
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    Curses are made to be broken! And don't start talkin about chokin! Cuz JO had the perfect oppurtunity the whole series to take over and he did it only once, and thats not enuff. Come on Jason Collins was guarding him!!!!!

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    Curses are made to be broken! And don't start talkin about chokin! Cuz JO had the perfect oppurtunity the whole series to take over and he did it only once, and thats not enuff. Come on Jason Collins was guarding him!!!!!
    Funny, I was talking about the Wizards, not the Pacers.

    and Peja sure did a lot to break that curse this year, did he?

    Not sure how JO choking is related to Gill choking, but ok.

    EDIT: On top of that, the majority of us here have come to realize JO is not Tim Duncan. He will never be able to carry us by himself. But put the right guys around him, and he will be able to take us places.

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    I'd much rather see Peja in a different jersey - preferably one that said "Wizards" across the front!
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    I'd much rather see Peja in a different jersey - preferably one that said "Wizards" across the front!
    Just for kicks, what kind of deal do you think the Wiz would be willing to make?

    Peja for, say, A.D and Brenden Haywood?
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