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    Default Toronto & the Expansion Draft

    Toronto has already made one really good move (firing their GM) & getting ready to make a poor one in replacing their coach. O'Neill should have done what Jim O'Brien did in Boston & tell them to go screw themselves.

    For those that haven't noticed, the older threads in this series can now be found in the Forum Archive section.

    The disclaimers..........

    From NBA.com, a story on the Bobcats draft.
    http://www.nba.com/bobcats/news/expansion_draft.html

    This paragraph has the basic info.

    Charlotte will receive lists from each of the 27 teams not competing in the NBA Finals 10 days prior to the scheduled Expansion Draft (June 12) and those from the competing teams in the Finals within two days of the conclusion of the Finals. Team lists will designate a maximum of eight protected players for that teamís players under contract or restricted free agents for the 2004-05 NBA season. The unprotected players are eligible for selection by the Bobcats, who will draft a minimum of 14 players from NBA rosters.

    Free agent info from REAL GM.
    http://www.realgm.com/src_freeagents.php?year=2004

    Salary information can be found at Hoops Hype.
    http://www.hoopshype.com/salaries/toronto.htm

    I just added Patricia's site for some salary info.
    http://www.dfw.net/%7Epatricia/contracts

    This is the current Toronto roster.

    Jalen Rose
    Vince Carter
    Alvin Williams
    Donyell Marshall
    Lamond Murray
    Chris Bosh
    Michael Curry
    Jerome Moiso
    Morris Peterson
    Milt Palacio
    Roger Mason
    Robert Archibald
    Dion Glover
    Rod Strickland
    Corie Blount

    The Raptors have a max roster of 15 players. 9 are signed for next season & of the 6 free agents, 1 is restricted.

    With a little help from Patricia's

    Moiso is signed thru next season at a minimum salary.
    Palacio has a player option at a minimum salary for next season.
    Mason Jr. is signed thru next season at a minimum salary.

    The Raptors signed for 04-05.

    Jalen Rose ----------- $14,487,000
    Vince Carter --------- $12,584,688
    Alvin Williams --------- $5,850,000
    Donyell Marshall ------ $4,545,000
    Lamond Murray ------- $4,875,000
    Chris Bosh ------------- $3,129,720
    Jerome Moiso ----------- Not Listed
    Milt Palacio -------------- Not Listed
    Roger Mason Jr. -------- Not Listed

    Toronto's restricted free agent.

    Morris Peterson ------ $2,371,999

    Free agents.

    Michael Curry
    Robert Archibald
    Dion Glover
    Rod Strickland
    Corie Blount

    The Raptors have 10 players eligible for the 8 man protected list.

    Carter, Marshall & Bosh are the only sure things.

    The borderline guys would be Rose, Williams, Murray, Moiso, Palacio, Mason Jr. & Peterson.

    Rose has 3 years left on his contract starting around 14.4M next season. That is way too much for what Rose brings. There is almost zero chance that the Bobcats would take him so why not leave him out there. Rose has the talent to make the list but his salary dictates otherwise.

    Williams has 4 years remaining on his deal starting at 5.8M next season. His knees are shot & there is little chance he can hold on long enough to still be playing at the end of that deal. The Bobcats won't take damaged goods & if they did the Raptors should throw a parade. Williams misses the list.

    Since they only need to leave 2 players off & I've already selected Rose & Williams as being those 2 players, I guess the rest will make the list by default.

    The Toronto protected list.

    Vince Carter
    Donyell Marshall
    Lamond Murray
    Chris Bosh
    Jerome Moiso
    Morris Peterson
    Milt Palacio
    Roger Mason Jr.

    The Raptors will make the following players available to the Bobcats.

    Jalen Rose
    Alvin Williams

    Charlotte does not select a player from the Toronto Raptors.

    Here is the Charlotte Expansion Draft.

    Atlanta ------------- No Pick
    Boston ------------- C - Kedrick Perkins -------- $729,500
    Chicago ------------ No Pick
    Cleveland ---------- G - Kevin Ollie ----------- $2,704,350
    Dallas --------------- G - Tony Delk ----------- $3,150,000
    Denver -------------- F - Ryan Bowen -------- $1,400,000 (est)
    Detroit -------------- No Pick
    Golden State ------ No Pick
    Houston ------------ GF - Adrian Griffin ---------- $807,546
    Indiana ------------- C - Primoz Brezec ------- $1,554,326
    L.A. Clippers ------- F - Melvin Ely ------------- $1,742,400
    L.A. Lakers --------- No Pick
    Memphis ------------ GF - Dahntay Jones ----- $1,143,360
    Miami ---------------- No Pick
    Milwaukee ----------- F Marcus Haislip -------- $1,655,280
    Minnesota ----------- No Pick
    New Jersey --------- C Alanzo Mourning ----- $5,408,700
    New Orleans -------- No Pick
    New York ------------ No Pick
    Orlando --------------G Reese Gaines ----------- $1,212,200
    Philadelphia --------- No Pick
    Phoenix -------------- C Jahidi White ------------- $5,884,500
    Portland -------------- No Pick
    Sacramento ---------- No Pick
    San Antonio ---------- No Pick
    Seattle ---------------- G Richie Frahm ---------- $400,000 (est)
    Toronto --------------- No Pick

    Total payroll $27,792, 192
    The 4th pick in the 2004 draft (Charlottes pick) is slotted to make roughly $2,523,200. I have yet to add it in, but I do want to keep it in mind.

    After I add in the salary for the #4 pick the Bobcats have a projected payroll of $30,315,392

    Charlotte's payroll next season will be 2/3's of the salary cap. If the cap is 45M then the Bobcats will have about 30M for players.

    Links to previous threads in this series.

    Atlanta ------ http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=996
    Boston ------ http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1038
    Chicago ----- http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1083
    Cleveland -- http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1122
    Dallas ------- http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1162
    Denver ------ http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1216
    Detroit ------ http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1251
    Golden St. -- http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1318
    Houston ---- http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1355
    Indiana ----- http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1427
    LA Clippers - http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1493
    LA Lakers --- http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1543
    Memphis ---- http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1615
    Miami ----- -- http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1681
    Milwaukee -- http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1719
    Minnesota --- http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1743
    New Jersey - http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1798
    New Orleans http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1939
    New York --- http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1953
    Orlando ----- http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1978
    Philadelphia - http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2018
    Phoenix ----- http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2048
    Portland ----- http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2071
    Sacramento - http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2086
    San Antonio - http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2109
    Seattle ------- http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2147

    Next up the Utah Jazz

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    There's no way they protect Murray, unless they feel that he has some trade value. He's been whining all season and he's played poorly. Neither will they protect Palacio, who has played atrociously this year.

    They may as well appease Rose's ego and protect him. They really have nothing to lose by leaving one or both of the above two players off the protected list in lieu of Rose.

    The Toronto protected list:

    Vince Carter
    Donyell Marshall
    Chris Bosh
    Jalen Rose
    Jerome Moiso (he's got potential)
    Morris Peterson (only for the sake of a possible sign-and-trade)
    RMj
    Alvin Williams (Maybe. Depends how they feel about their chances of signing a better PG on the free-agent market)

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    Gotta somewhat agree about Lamond Murry. I just don't see them protecting him. In fact I'm tempted to say that Toronto might offer something to the Bobcats just to get rid of him.

    But I will make my official prediction no pick.

    Atlanta - no pick
    Boston - Jumaine Jones $ 1,687,500
    Chicago - Chris Jeffries $ 899,040
    Cleveland - Kedrick Brown $ 2,332,388
    Dallas - Tony Delk $ 3,150,00
    Denver - no pick
    Detroit - no pick
    Golden State - Popeye Jones
    Houston - no pick
    Indiana - Primoz Brezec $1,554,326
    L.A. Clips - Melvin Ely $ 1,742,400
    L.A. Lakers - Devan George $ 4,500,000
    Memphis - no pick (trade)
    Miami - no pick
    Milwaukee - Marcus Haislip $1,655,280
    Minnesota - no pick.
    New Jersey - no pick
    New Orleans - no pick
    New York - Frank Williams $957,480
    Orlando - DeShawn Stevenson
    Philidelphia - Kyle Korver
    Pheonix - no pick
    Portland - Vladimir Stepania
    Sacramento - no pick
    San Antonio - no pick
    Seattle - Richie Frahm
    Toronto - no pick


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    I took Murray's situation into account when I made the list.

    I also considered that the Raptors will have a new GM as well as a new coach.

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    Can't add much more here. Either expensive players or scrubs will be available and I can't imagine Charlotte would take any of 'em.

    Atlanta - No Pick
    Boston - Kedrick Perkins - $729,500
    Chicago - No Pick _or_ Eddie Robinson + Draft Pick - $6,767,540 + Pick or $0
    Cleveland - No Pick
    Dallas - Tony Delk - $3,150,000
    Denver - No Pick
    Detroit - No Pick _or_ Campbell (in hopes of getting talent for this expiring contract at the deadline) - $4,400,000 or $0
    Golden State - No Pick
    Houston - Adrian Griffin - $807,546
    Indiana - Primoz Brezec - $1,554,326
    LA Clippers - Melvin Ely - $1,742,400
    LA Lakers - No Pick
    Memphis - Theron Smith - $620,046
    Miami - No Pick
    Milwaukee - Marcus Haislip $1,655,280
    Minnesota - No Pick
    New Jersey - No Pick

    New Orleans - No Pick
    New York - Moochie Norris - $3,850,000
    Orlando - No Pick
    Philadelphia - No Pick
    Phoenix - No Pick or Jahidi White (in place of Campbell) $5,884,500
    Portland - No Pick
    Sacramento - No Pick
    San Antonio - No Pick
    Seattle - Richie Frahm - $400,000 (estimated)
    Toronto - No Pick

    $25,676,638 if they take both Robinson and Campbell. Draft pick from Chicago will add to that though too.

    $27,161,138 if they take Robinson and White. Draft pick(s) adds.

    $14,509,098 if they take none of the above

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