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    Default I do love the playoffs: 2nd pre-playoffs question

    As it appears some of you enjoyed my prior playoff question, lets try another one.

    Is talent more important in the regular season or in the playoffs

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    Default Re: I do love the playoffs: 2nd pre-playoffs question

    Talent is more important in the regular season. The playoffs require more than just talent..It requires a dominating will and going out there and putting it into overdrive. The entire season up until now holds no merit at all. All that really matters is winning the Finals...And it requires much more then talent alone to get there. Talent can get you by in the regular season..but not now.

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    Default Re: I do love the playoffs: 2nd pre-playoffs question

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    As it appears some of you enjoyed my prior playoff question, lets try another one.

    Is talent more important in the regular season or in the playoffs
    If you assume both teams have good people/chemistry, then it always matters the same. You have to have it to win. I don't think it's more important in the playoffs. What wins now is playing together, being able to score in the clutch, being able to rebound, and to get stops.

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    Default Re: I do love the playoffs: 2nd pre-playoffs question

    Talent matters more than coaching, less than heart.

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    Talent matters more in the playoffs.

    If you hustle, play good D, and work a good team concept, you'll get a lot of wins in the regular season.

    But you don't win in the playoffs without talent.
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    Default Re: I do love the playoffs: 2nd pre-playoffs question

    talent means less.

    You dont MAKE it to the playoffs without talent, so the fact you need it to win in the playoffs is irrelevant.

    The difference-maker is what happens when talent cancels out talent, and each team takes the other team out of its normal game.

    It all boils down to excecution, and communication on the floor. Chemistry is what wins it for you.

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    Talent is more important in the playoffs primarily because teams give away games during the regular season.

    Without talent, you are 4 and out in the playoffs.... or .000....but you can still get 20 W's during the regular season and go .250.

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    I'm having a hard time with this question. What Kstat said makes a lot of sense, at least in part, but I'd hate to be caught agreeing with Kstat.

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    Default Re: I do love the playoffs: 2nd pre-playoffs question

    I'm not sure the question being asked and the question being answered are the same.

    Talent probably matters just the same. What is different is that its your "top" talent that matters in the playoffs - how unstoppable are your top two players and how unstoppable are your opponents top two players. It doesn't matter at all in the playoffs that your sixth man is better than the opponent's sixth man.

    In the regular season, you can win games because you have more talent on your bench. Not so in the playoffs.
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    I guess I'd say it is the same. The same 3 or 4 teams talented enough to be favored in the regular season are the same that are good enough to win in the post season.

    On the scale of coaching or whatever factors it is of a higher importance because if you aren't at the top of the NBA's pyriamd of talent you don't have a chance regardless of coaching or heart.
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    I'm not sure the question being asked and the question being answered are the same.
    Yes, that's it. I was wondering why this thread felt really weird.

    It is more important in the playoffs. You need a certain amount of ability in your top players. You can overachieve in the season...
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    My point is, in the playoffs, talent level means LESS because EVERYBODY that gets there has telent. Little things like chemistry and team work is what sets teams apart in 7-game series, not talent.

    It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

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    I guess it also depends what round you are talking about.
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    Default Re: I do love the playoffs: 2nd pre-playoffs question

    I think Kstat pretty much nailed it and I'd like to add something. Both teams in a playoff series will have talent anyway. One can have more than the other, even considerably more, and still get beaten. If a team has chemistry, it can overcome superior talent in a single game, or a 7 game series. Talent gets you there, but the team that can add talent to heart and teamplay in the playoffs wins the whole shebang.

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    What is different is that its your "top" talent that matters in the playoffs - how unstoppable are your top two players and how unstoppable are your opponents top two players. It doesn't matter at all in the playoffs that your sixth man is better than the opponent's sixth man.

    In the regular season, you can win games because you have more talent on your bench. Not so in the playoffs.

    Jay I actually agree with what you're saying here.


    I think talent is a lot more important in the playoffs than it is during the regular season. In the regular season wins and losses are determined by a lot of things. The schedule, who's healthy and who isn't, but also by how hard a team plays on a certain night. In the playoffs all teams play hard, so talent wins out more often.

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    The 6ers and the Nets were clearly overmatched talent wise. I don't think its accurate to say the Lakers beat either team because of "the little things like chemistry and team work". The Lakers were simply more talented and blew them both out.

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    The 6ers and the Nets were clearly overmatched talent wise. I don't think its accurate to say the Lakers beat either team because of "the little things like chemistry and team work". The Lakers were simply more talented and blew them both out.
    And on the flip side, the Pistons used teamwork and great D to overcome the Lakers superior talent.

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    Indeed, I would have mentioned as much but it seemed that side of the argument had plenty of backing already.

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    I have trouble with any questions involving "talent" for a number of reasons:

    1) Is it talent or is it hype?
    2) Is the talent being used properly (coaching)?
    3) Is the talent in a place that supports the game (if you are a great dunker but can be kept away from the paint your talent is worthless)?
    4) Is the talent supported by other team abilities (if outside shooting sucks the greatest center in the world can be collapsed upon and neutralized)?
    5) Is it the talent of a single player or the overall level of talent in the team (at one point it was said you had to have two "superstars" to win - then came the Pistons)?

    Because of this, I think most of the time just tossing out the word "talent" is really both a cop-out and buying into the whole "promote the individual player and they will come" marketing mentality of the NBA.

    Where it matters to me is in the talent of the entire rotation, and in that sense I would agree with those who say that a level of talent is needed but in the playoffs it isn't so much "how much" but "where in the rotation is it concentrated".
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    Default Re: I do love the playoffs: 2nd pre-playoffs question

    The question was: "Is talent more important in the regular season or in the playoffs".

    The question is not whether talent is more important than chemistry or teamwork. If we want to entertain that question, it is fairly easy to answer. Chemistry and teamwork are more important than talent either in the regular season or playoffs. Ron Ron has a lot of talent, but what good is he? Detroit beat a disfunctional Laker team with far more talent a few years ago.

    In any event, the answer to the original question is the playoffs because, assuming a team makes the playoffs, the regular season really doesn't matter anyway. Players don't make best use of their talent until it really matters.

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    And on the flip side, the Pistons used teamwork and great D to overcome the Lakers superior talent.
    Well, maybe the Pistons' talent is teamwork and great D.

    That's my problem with the question. What exactly do you mean by talent?

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    The question was: "Is talent more important in the regular season or in the playoffs".

    The question is not whether talent is more important than chemistry or teamwork. If we want to entertain that question, it is fairly easy to answer. Chemistry and teamwork are more important than talent either in the regular season or playoffs. Ron Ron has a lot of talent, but what good is he? Detroit beat a disfunctional Laker team with far more talent a few years ago.

    In any event, the answer to the original question is the playoffs because, assuming a team makes the playoffs, the regular season really doesn't matter anyway. Players don't make best use of their talent until it really matters.

    Again I would bring up the Nets and the 6ers. They played pretty well together to get to the finals, but all that team work was for naught against the talent of the Lakers.

    My first thought in both of these threads (so far) has been "What isn't more important in the playoffs?" You know, except the bench.

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    Default Re: I do love the playoffs: 2nd pre-playoffs question

    Looking at it another way, are we saying the Lakers did NOT play well together, with team work?

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