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Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

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"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

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We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

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How Well do you Like....Day 8

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  • How Well do you Like....Day 8

    This is the "How well do you Like..."thread. There's been alot of , in the truest since of the word, 'playa hatin' goin on, and I think it can be attributed to how we're playing. So, I want to know if you like the particular player the thread is dedicated to based not on how they play, but just how you feel and think about them. This way, maybe we can find an official general consensus.


    Today's Player: neal:


    V-O-T-E, if not for JO, how bout me?
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    Life without water is tough, life without air is hard,life with one leg only is wobbly, Life without Reggie Miller, is impossible.

    Do Not Trade Austin

    Originally posted by Conrad Brunner
    Veteran Austin Croshere, the longest-tenured Pacers player on the roster, has proven reliable when called upon, invariably ready to step in regardless of the circumstance.

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    I cant stand him.

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    • #3
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      I love the guy. He makes me

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      • #4
        Re: How Well do you Like....Day 8

        Originally posted by Jermaniac
        I cant stand him.

        I can tell by all your posts. Sometimes I just want to be like "Whoa Jerm, settle down man, we're gettin KG next summer." You really need to stop being so hard on him .
        Life without water is tough, life without air is hard,life with one leg only is wobbly, Life without Reggie Miller, is impossible.

        Do Not Trade Austin

        Originally posted by Conrad Brunner
        Veteran Austin Croshere, the longest-tenured Pacers player on the roster, has proven reliable when called upon, invariably ready to step in regardless of the circumstance.

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        • #5
          Re: How Well do you Like....Day 8

          Best player on team. Top 3 PF. Top 10 player. Elite shot blocker. Dont like him much tho.
          My Dream Team

          PG - A.Iverson
          SG - K.Bryant
          SF - R.Artest
          PF - J.O'Neal
          C - D.Howard

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          • #6
            Re: How Well do you Like....Day 8

            Originally posted by 8.9_seconds



            I can tell by all your posts. Sometimes I just want to be like "Whoa Jerm, settle down man, we're gettin KG next summer." You really need to stop being so hard on him .
            Garnettiac. I like it.

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            • #7
              Re: How Well do you Like....Day 8

              I like him as a player. Right now, I think hes top 5/6 out of all PF's in the NBA when hes healthy. If he could rebound the ball more, I'd like him a little more.

              But, something tells me that he will start to really decline in a year or two.
              "Remember the pain of my fist. That is my power!"

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              • #8
                Re: How Well do you Like....Day 8

                because of him...i know NBA and like PACERS....
                no matter what's happen...i always like him...he have a lovely babyface

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                • #9
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                  YES!! JO is one of my favorite athletes of all time.

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                  • #10
                    Re: How Well do you Like....Day 8

                    I'm stuck in the middle of the road regarding Jermaine.

                    He has a nice game, but has his flaws as well. He is taking fewer turnaround jumpers this year, which I appreciate a great deal. He is starting to take the ball to the rim again, which I think should be a big part of his offensive game. I'm pleased with his defensive contributions, especially his help defense.

                    I detest that he almost never boxes out for rebounds. IMO, this one flaw is huge, and for me anyway, probably negates 25% of the good things that he accomplishes.

                    However, where I see a big problem brewing is in the fact that he has been proclaimed the leader of the team. The problem that I have is that he hasn't led by example; he's just tried to be vocal in his "leadership" role. He's been terrible about arguing with officials, and has lost focus on the court at times.

                    BUT... over the last few games, I have to give him credit. He's come to play and has kept his mouth shut. Although he's still not blocking out, he is going after almost every board. If he were to give this same kind of effort and focus 100% of the time, then I think he could become the leader that we need.

                    But we are approaching summer, where trades are made. Although JO claims he isn't going anywhere, is his new-found on court focus too little, too late? Or, will he remain with the team and actually earn the leadership tag that has been gifted to him? Because if he's here next year, and reverts back to his former self, then I think we have problems. We will once again have a leaderless team, unless someone else has stepped up by then.

                    So for me the jury is still out. I abstained from voting.

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                    • #11
                      Re: How Well do you Like....Day 8

                      I am not really sure if you are looking for a response to your question or just a vote in the poll, but Ill go ahead and add this.

                      I think JO is a good player, and probably a top 15 player, as long as it is not in the 4th quarter.

                      When is the last time you saw JO hit a clutch shot? Game winning shot?

                      I have to add a disclaimer here: A lot of people may think we are to harsh on JO, but when the man is make some 15 million dollars a season, and 8th or 9th highest player in the league, I think its fair to say we have high expectations for JO.

                      I have to go back almost two years to his shot against the Pistons (Reggie Miller era) when the shot was reviewed. Granted I have a bad memory, but that is kind of sad.

                      Now I never thought I would agree with those who called him “anti-clutch”, but I really am starting to get that feeling.

                      Ok, I am sure I will get blasted for that, but moving on.

                      JO is a great help-side defender. This is one of the main things I fear we will lose should the day come when we trade Jermaine. I cant count the number of times in a game when a guard gets beat off the dribble, and JO comes over to block the shot, or just alter the shot (which I do consider the equivalent of a block).

                      The only flaw I have to his defense is the fact he does not box out. I am sure this topic has been exhausted on this forum, but not only would this help his stats, even if he doesn’t get the rebound one of his teammates could. Thus it would help not only JO, but also the team. I am not sure if no one has taught him how to box out, or if he is just plain lazy and doesn’t want to, but the man doesn’t do it. It drives me bonkers.

                      Onto his offense. I have always loved JO’s offense, but I really think he needs to live in the post more often. Ever since his last come back, I have been really happy with the new JO (more on that later). When JO is able to make that 15-17 foot jump shot, that just opens up the whole floor and forced the oppositions big man to come out and frees up the middle for the guards to penetrate.

                      Now to one thing I LOVE that JO has picked up: passing out of the post. I was never sure if JO could do it, at least it seemed like JO would take a shot even if he had 5 defender tacking him. But I have always felt that JO could be a triple-double thread every night if he would just learn to see the floor and make that pass. And lately he has done that, and I love it. I would like to see him not get fooled on that stupid “pull the chair out from him” gimmick more often, but maybe that was just something that caught him by surprise today. At least I hope so.

                      The last thing that I think must be said when discussing JO is his leadership. I think JO has said all the right things. He has said everything we want to hear, and then some. But he has not shown it with his actions, in my opinion. I think he has a ways to go. Sadly I think the reigns were kind of “given” to him from Reggie, and maybe it would have been better to make him earn them a little more.

                      So in order for him to really become the “legend” that I think some of us want/hope that he does become, he needs to improve in two facets. One is him becoming “more clutch” and the other is his “leadership”. We have seen glimpses of both (I love seeing the big fella dive for a loose ball, I just love that enthusiasm) but not enough, and most certainly not enough this past season. Will getting another “post” player (or developing another player for those of you that like Harrison’s game) help JO’s game out? Only time will tell…..

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                      • #12
                        Re: How Well do you Like....Day 8

                        Jonk man is back?

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                        • #13
                          Re: How Well do you Like....Day 8

                          VA's back, VA's back!!!

                          Come to the Dark Side -- There's cookies!

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                          • #14
                            Re: How Well do you Like....Day 8

                            WAI WAI WAI WAI??? VA??
                            Life without water is tough, life without air is hard,life with one leg only is wobbly, Life without Reggie Miller, is impossible.

                            Do Not Trade Austin

                            Originally posted by Conrad Brunner
                            Veteran Austin Croshere, the longest-tenured Pacers player on the roster, has proven reliable when called upon, invariably ready to step in regardless of the circumstance.

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                            • #15
                              Re: How Well do you Like....Day 8

                              Props 2...
                              JO, the Pacers Radio Network, the FSN team, Granger, AJ, & Peja.

                              I'm unhappy w/ the rest of the entire Pacer franchise. Bird & Walsh have made bad moves since LB was hired. Losing Primo, JJ, retaing Artest & taking way to long to deal him. Oh yeah, bringing Saranus over because it's cool to have 4 PGs. The Al 4 Sjax trade? We did manage to get Granger. I just call a spade a spade. All the bloated contracts 4 our players w/ attitude problems. I'm not a giant fan of Robot Carlisle now either.
                              1 - 2, Tinsley's coming for you.
                              3 - 4, You're not a team no more.
                              5 - 6, He's gonna plead the 5th.
                              7 - 8, He's gonna stay out late.



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