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Whether your are a long standing forum member or whether you have just registered today, it's a good idea to read and review the rules below so that you have a very good idea of what to expect when you come to Pacers Digest.

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Why do we do this? So that it's more difficult for spammers (be they human or robot) to post, and so users who are banned cannot immediately re-register and start dousing people with verbal flames.

Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.

Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

Rule #2

If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

An example:

If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:

http://www.linktothearticlegoeshere.com/article
Title of the Article
Author's Name
Indianapolis Star

Rule #6

We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.

The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.

Rule #7

Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

Rule #8

We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

Rule #9

Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.

Rule #10

We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.

Rule #11

Do not advertise anything without talking about it with the administrators first. This includes advertising with your signature, with your avatar, through private messaging, and/or by making a thread or post.
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    The Hulk's Blog

    David Harrison SLAMonline Diary

    SLAM Magazine has been running Rookie Diaries and High School Diaries over the years, and now, exclusively for the web we’re bringing you more player diaries. The first ever slamonline diary entry comes from David Harrison of the Indiana Pacers. Take it away, David…

    This season’s been a roller coaster for me personally. You’re in the lineup, you’re out of the lineup. It’s been hard to find consistency. I kind of learned I’m gonna get my opportunities, and when I get them I’ve got to make the best of it. I think we’re underachieving, personally. We’re gonna seed ourselves in a good spot for the playoffs if we finish the season off strong. We can be the 5th seed, we pretty much have the 6 locked down, though Washington is right behind us. We’ve got the same team back besides Reggie. I don’t care who we play in the playoffs. Honestly I really don’t. I think we’re a hard match-up for almost any team. A healthy Indiana Pacers is a really straight team, and we’re getting healthier every day. Jamaal is probably one of the most underrated point guards in the league when he’s healthy. And then you have our bench. Our bench has won probably more games than our starters have this year. We’re a really deep team and I think we’re a scary match-up for almost anybody.

    Before we got Peja, you had people afraid they were getting traded. So much uncertainty on the team. And Ronnie averaged like 26 a game, you know? And his defense. It’s hard to replace that. Getting Peja was a huge step in the right direction for our team. But it’s funny, cause now you know you’re not gonna get the ball. But he’s such a great player, and he can score in bunches. I love setting screens for him, cause he gets me open too. It’s kind of like playing with Reggie a little bit.

    I went from Colorado and that whole scandal thing happened my last year there, and then I go to the Pacers, and in my first year there’s a fight. And then we have the whole Ron Artest incident this year. Honestly last year I thought it couldn’t get any crazier, and it did! So I’m kind of scared about what’s gonna happen next year. The fight was about the 10th game of the year last year. My welcome to the NBA moment came the game where they suspended everybody. We were playing Orlando, and we ended up with so many people hurt, we had six people available to play. You have to dress eight, so we had Scot Pollard with a back injury, and he couldn’t even move. He wasn’t even warming up. We had somebody else dress up. I think I played 44 minutes that night. I never played that much in my life. Honestly I want to get a camera and have our team become like a sitcom or a reality show. It’s taken our team a long time to get a cohesive unit together. And when we do, somebody either comes back from injury or goes down with an inury. It’s been a frustrating couple of years for this franchise, and we’re just out there trying to play hard and win games. We have 17 games left, and I just wanna find my spot on this team. I’m a rhythm player, and I love Jermaine being back cause we’re a better team, but it was easy for me personally to play when I could play in streaks, like 8 minutes at a time. But now it’s a struggle. One thing I notice I didn’t do last year was I didn’t change the game at all. I maintained it. I think if I can just offer energy out there, it can help our team win.

    Off the court I’m trying to settle my life down, coming from college to the NBA in my first year not playing a lot to now, where they’re actually depending on me. I’m trying not to go out every night. It’s hard, cause you develop a routine of going out, but I’m trying to look towards the future, take care of my body and my career. I live with one of my friends from college and my older sister in a house. On a day off I’ll go and work out, cause I’ll go out the night before a day off.

    I just got the XBOX 360 and I’m really really glad I’m not in college with that, cause I’d fail out of school. It’s impossible to turn that thing off sometimes. I just got The Godfather game. You can choke people out and the way you control the guy, he can do anything. If you wanna throw a guy against the wall, you can drag a dude and throw him against the wall. It’s amazing. If I was still in school I wouldn’t be in class at all.

    -David Harrison

    http://slamonline.com/life/DavidHarrison1/
    Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
    -- Albert Einstein
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    Re: The Hulk's Blog

    You, Never? Did the Kenosha Kid?

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    • #3
      Re: The Hulk's Blog

      Players afraid of getting traded before Artest/Peja? Check.

      Returning from injury just as disruptive as going out with one? Check.

      Hard to play well when your role is constantly changing? Check.

      This year worse than last year? Check.

      When PD posters post theories, that's one thing. When one of the players says it directly, the theories become facts.
      “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” - Winston Churchill

      “If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to serve as a horrible warning.” - Catherine Aird

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        Originally posted by Pacersfan.
        I just got the XBOX 360 and I’m really really glad I’m not in college with that, cause I’d fail out of school. It’s impossible to turn that thing off sometimes. I just got The Godfather game. You can choke people out and the way you control the guy, he can do anything. If you wanna throw a guy against the wall, you can drag a dude and throw him against the wall. It’s amazing. If I was still in school I wouldn’t be in class at all.
        Are you going to make Hulk choke a *****?


        "Like [Jonathan Bender], AMC's Pacer was supposed to be fitted with a rotary engine--but both rotaries had technical problems late in their development (read: after incurring heavy research costs) that prevented them from seeing the light of day. Of course, both vehicles had plenty of problems that did reach production. The Pacer was a dud in terms of quality, execution and particularly styling. Make your own assessment about its bizarre proportions, but don't miss the one door that's bigger than the other."

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        • #5
          Re: The Hulk's Blog

          Rick Carlisle is going to ruin David Harrison's development? Check

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          • #6
            Re: The Hulk's Blog

            Refreshingly honest.

            We'll never see any of that in IndyStar.com or Pacers.com, will we?
            Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
            Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
            Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
            Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
            And life itself, rushing over me
            Life itself, the wind in black elms,
            Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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            • #7
              Re: The Hulk's Blog

              Originally posted by Jermaniac
              Rick Carlisle is going to ruin David Harrison's development? Check
              I hope not.....Carlisle appears to be the type of coach that has to be comfortable with a player ( as in doesn't make as many mistakes ) before that player can be integrated into the lineup with consistent minutes. With any Big Man...especially Harrison....it takes time for them to get to the point where they don't make as many mistakes.

              I just hope that Carlisle gets to that "comfort level" with Harrison before (A) Harrison's contract is up and (B) Harrison get's p!ssed off the Pacers for not giving him minutes.
              Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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              • #8
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                As I read in the other thread about Rick - Dumars and the Pistons owner had to FORCE him to play Tay Prince. FORCE, You think Larry Bird is going to make his boy play the young guys. Yeah right. Rick Carlisle will ruin Danny Granger and David Harrison. If we traded Ron to the Lakers and got Devin George in the package Rick would have played him over Danny and I bet my damn life on it.

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                • #9
                  Re: The Hulk's Blog

                  Good read. I will say that after reading the article....it reinforces the impression that I got from Harrison when he signed my wife's Gamecard at the Warrior's / Pacers game this year.

                  He's a big "Lug" that smiles all the time......that's a small town guy that has been given the chance to live his dream.....he wants to do good....wants to play....but understands that for now.....as a young player....he has to earn his playing time in order to develop. I'm glad that he has players like JONeal, Foster and Pollard around him to help "Big Brother" his NBA career so that he does the right thing in the upcoming years.

                  I would hope that players like Pollard are retained just for that very reason. But I really don't know whether Carlisle is the right coach for him or not.
                  Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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                  • #10
                    Re: The Hulk's Blog

                    He kinda sounds like he needs some Ritalin.
                    "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

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                    • #11
                      Re: The Hulk's Blog

                      Dear diary,

                      I hate Rick.

                      Love,

                      Hulk

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