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    Default Pacers need a new coach before tomorrow's (Monday's) tipoff

    From another thread, late Saturday:

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    If we lose, or at the very least, if we are not competitive tomorrow we should fire Rick immediately.

    Somebody has to send the signal that what we've been seeing for the past two weeks can not be tolerated. Period.
    Rick should resign, or if not TPTB should remove him before tomorrow's game.

    It's 100% obvious that Rick has lost the team. It doesn't matter if its Rick's fault or the player's fault or even who is at fault.

    In the NBA, you replace the coach unless you're talking about Riley or maybe Phil Jackson.

    What should really happen is Larry Bird should take over for the rest of the season and the playoffs, so he can observe players, chemistry, the lockerroom, etc. on a firsthand basis (not via whatever story Rick is telling him) in order to figure out what he needs to do this summer.

    This must stop; and it must be stopped this season. Even when the 2002-03 team was falling apart under Isiah, the off-court tradgedies, and Artest's flagrant foul binge, the team always put forth effort.

    I blame everyone, but the trading deadline has long since passed us by and there's no point in cutting the players.


    Okay - fire away.
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    Bang bang.

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    Default Re: Pacers need a new coach before tomorrow's tipoff

    It's easier to fire a coach that is not getting through,then it is to fire a team that is tired of the message!
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    Default Re: Pacers need a new coach before tomorrow's tipoff

    I do like the idea of Bird evaluating things first hand. I'm just scared the players might start trying, and he'd think, "Hey, this aint so bad. It sure is fun being back on the bench."

    However, no matter how big an SOB I think Larry is, I don't for a minute think he'd fire his friend with a week to go in the season.
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    Bad idea
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    Default Re: Pacers need a new coach before tomorrow's tipoff

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    Bad idea
    Thanks for that insight.

    Give me a better one?
    Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
    Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
    Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
    Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
    And life itself, rushing over me
    Life itself, the wind in black elms,
    Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you


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    Good idea - let Bird coiach out the last few games before we miss the playoffs.
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    Default Re: Pacers need a new coach before tomorrow's tipoff

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    Bang bang.

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    Default Re: Pacers need a new coach before tomorrow's tipoff

    Firing Rick would be the ultimate low this late in the season ---

    Larry won't do it to his friend because he too knows that Rick has to go out and get another job in the future and it wouldn't look nice on his resume.
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    Making Larry coach this team would be a fitting punishment for putting it together.
    "They could turn out to be only innocent mathematicians, I suppose," muttered Woevre's section officer, de Decker.

    "'Only.'" Woevre was amused. "Someday you'll explain to me how that's possible. Seeing that, on the face of it, all mathematics leads, doesn't it, sooner or later, to some kind of human suffering."

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    This team's composition isn't the working of Larry Bird.
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    Default Re: Pacers need a new coach before tomorrow's tipoff

    Quote Originally Posted by Jay@Section204
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    Thanks for that insight.

    Give me a better one?


    Let the man finish his contract. Give him a fair shot at things next year.


    Bring in a sane, durable team.
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    Default Re: Pacers need a new coach before tomorrow's tipoff

    No, we can only blame Bird for the ex-Kings on the roster.



    Hell, I see bulletproof lurking in here... I kid; I kid...
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    Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
    Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
    Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
    And life itself, rushing over me
    Life itself, the wind in black elms,
    Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you


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    Quote Originally Posted by SoupIsGood
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    Bring in a sane, durable team.
    How may guys (in particular, guys in the rotation) are you going to trade?

    That's unrealistic in the NBA.

    I can say I want fifteen new players (and mean it) but I know it ain't gonna happen.

    Besides, I'm okay with keeping five guys from this team's frontcourt (Danny, JO, David as starters, Peja and Jeff on the bench) - that's too much continuity to keep Rick around. For JO's sake. (And David's development which has been much too slow for my liking.)
    Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
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    Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
    Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
    And life itself, rushing over me
    Life itself, the wind in black elms,
    Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you


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    Quote Originally Posted by SoupIsGood
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    Let the man finish his contract. Give him a fair shot at things next year.


    Bring in a sane, durable team.
    You can't have a lame duck coach - holy crap - you don't think they listen to him now, imagine if he was a lame duck.

    No fracking way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaufman
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    Firing Rick would be the ultimate low this late in the season ---

    Larry won't do it to his friend because he too knows that Rick has to go out and get another job in the future and it wouldn't look nice on his resume.
    Kevin fired Flip. Flip landed on his feet.

    If Larry can't do it because of "friendship", the DW needs to fire both Larry and Rick tomorrow.

    I'm telling you, this franchise is at a very serious crossroad right now and I'm not sure there is time to wait (unless you want to see JO publicly demand a trade shortly after the regular season ends. I don't.)
    Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
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    Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
    Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
    And life itself, rushing over me
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    Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay@Section204
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    How may guys (in particular, guys in the rotation) are you going to trade?

    That's unrealistic in the NBA.

    I can say I want fifteen new players (and mean it) but I know it ain't gonna happen.
    Having a sane, durable team is unrealistic? If that's the case, I should just quit watching for a few years until we get one. I'm tired of it.

    Honestly, what is a coaching change going to do. This team will still be brittle and mentally weak. What coach is going to succeed with that.... well Rick did for awhile.

    I just want a NORMAL team... please!

    For the how many guys thing, I already said I want 12 gone.... is that kind of turnover really unrealistic? It seems the Celts did something similar recently.
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    Default Re: Pacers need a new coach before tomorrow's tipoff

    You can turn over that many, but you're going to be in the lottery for years.

    If you turn over that many at once, there's (1) no guarantee chemistry will be any better; and (2) it may take a couple of seasons to figure out that chemistry.
    Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
    Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
    Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
    Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
    And life itself, rushing over me
    Life itself, the wind in black elms,
    Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you


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    Default Re: Pacers need a new coach before tomorrow's tipoff

    Jay, do you really believe this or are you just trying to start a discussion.

    If this were late February or early March, I would agree with you. But with 6 games left, no. It would give the franchise a bad name. Believe me Bird can evaluate the team well enough as it is

    Plus you learn more about the players the way things are. Who is willing to still play hard in the middle of this. TPTB will respect those who play hard now. bringing in a new coach now. No

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    Ain't gonna happen. Larry wouldn't humiliate Rick like that.

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    Fire RC and promote JO to player-coach. That should confirm that the team listens to neither one.

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    Default Re: Pacers need a new coach before tomorrow's tipoff

    Okay, bp, but Rick should quit.

    Rick's already humiliating himself sufficiently. And it may not be his fault, but he's lost this team.

    I know there's a human aspect to this but this is the freaking NBA. When its time to change coaches you just have to roll up your sleeves and do it. (For example, they should've fired Isiah twenty minutes into his first training camp. But I digress.)
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    Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
    Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
    Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
    And life itself, rushing over me
    Life itself, the wind in black elms,
    Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay@Section204
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    Kevin fired Flip. Flip landed on his feet.

    If Larry can't do it because of "friendship", the DW needs to fire both Larry and Rick tomorrow.

    I'm telling you, this franchise is at a very serious crossroad right now and I'm not sure there is time to wait (unless you want to see JO publicly demand a trade shortly after the regular season ends. I don't.)
    Kevin didn't fire Flip this late in the season. Its not the right thing to do man - its just not. You don't take firing someone lightly.

    This season, my friend, is up in flames. Stop trying to salvage it. JO, he can demand whatever he wants to - the team doesn't revolve around him. It was here before he was born, and it'll be here after he's retired.

    I don't think this is a serious crossroad right now. The crossroad will be the offseason. Right now you throw out the players you want to see and you evaluate them and see if they are worthy of being here next year. Playoffs or not, we need a reconstruction. The goal is a championship, not making the playoffs. And I got news for you - this isn't the year for a banner - I'm not sure I'd want one if were to get so lucky, because I hate the attitude and personality of the team sooo much right now.
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    Default Re: Pacers need a new coach before tomorrow's tipoff

    Jay it is only 6 games, 10 days. Just calm down. We can wait it out. it won't change anything anyway. And yes it would humiliate Rick. There are only 6 games left

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