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    Hello,

    for most of us basketball season is not over yet. As always, I wish for all the club teams I support to go as far as it is possible for them (even further ).

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    There is lots and lots of opinions to sumarize (the final test will be held in Japan) about the game we all LOVE at the International level.

    WorldChamps '06


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    My Q No.1.

    The fact is that in Europe during last couple of years we have seen REALY FAST and FURIOUS evoliution of zone D's.
    In 1 of my dizzin' posts before I've asked a Question: What the TEAM USA could offer in offence if it will be facing somewhere around from 20 to 30 varieties of zone D.

    All of my friends overseas have stated, that zone D in NBA has enourmous restrictions. For the rest of the World when defending - all the measures count.

    We've seen TEAM USA struggle 2 years ago. As I've stated above - zone D's will be used a lot, esspesialy against TEAM USA. How long it will take or how hard it would be to addapt to this sort of defencive basketball for TEAM USA? I'd like to know Your opinions on this issue.

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    Go Yugoslavia!! (Serbia&Montenegro, Slovenia) ... Isnt Croatia gona play? Bummer

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    I think Turkey are gonna be a big suprise this year.

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    Go Yugoslavia!! (Serbia&Montenegro, Slovenia) ... Isnt Croatia gona play? Bummer
    nope They lost game for the straight qualification against Slovenia and 4 Wildcards went to Serbia & Cerno Gorica, Italy, Turkey and Puerto Rico. FIBA doesn't love Croatia I'd like to see the best non-qualified teams from the last EC - Croatia and Russia instead of Puerto Rico and Turkey.

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    I think Turkey are gonna be a big suprise this year.
    It's about 2006, not 2010.

    Btw, Qatar have promised the Hell to every opponent in their group, I'm not sure what they mean. I'm scared a bit. Fortunately not us but Greeks will be the first to know it.

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    Looks like the US is in an easy bracket, although we have already been beaten by Puerto Rico. Not sure what China will bring besides Yao. Looks like brackets A & C by far the toughest. Anyone know what style Slovenia plays? I know about Nesterovic, but little else. We better bring a whole lot of Michael Redd and maybe even some JJ Redick against these zoners.

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    20 to 30 varieities of zone? Could you explain please? Even if you were stretching to make a point I'd like to know.

    How do zone schemes break down beyond 1-3-1, box-1, 2-3, 3-2, and a shifting version of them?

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    Looks like the US is in an easy bracket, although we have already been beaten by Puerto Rico. Not sure what China will bring besides Yao. Looks like brackets A & C by far the toughest. Anyone know what style Slovenia plays? I know about Nesterovic, but little else. We better bring a whole lot of Michael Redd and maybe even some JJ Redick against these zoners.
    Be ready for tons of threepointers

    They also have Brezec, Nesterovic and Pacers 2nd round draft pick Lorbek at their frontline.

    They were one of two teams (the other was Lithuanian "reserves" team) that won all 3 games (all by 9+ points) at the group stage (beat Greece, France and Bosnia & Herzegovina) in the last European Championship. Unfortunately, lost in the quaterfinals.

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    Be ready for tons of threepointers

    They also have Prezec, Nesterovic and Pacers 2nd round draft pick Lorbek at their frontline.

    They were one of two teams (the other was Lithuanian "reserves" team) that won all 3 games (all by 9+ points) at the group stage (beat Greece, France and Bosnia & Herzegovina) in the last European Championship. Unfortunately, lost in the quaterfinals.
    Thanks for the info. I forgot Lorbek was from there. It will be fun to watch him play, as I would expect him to be coming to Pacer's training camp next year. Those teams Slovenia beat typically aren't too shabby. We may as well start scouting a coach from Europe as well, because Bird seems to love the style of play.

    It is too bad Tim Duncan has given up on FIBA, but his experiences have been extremely frustrating.

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    Thanks for the info. I forgot Lorbek was from there. It will be fun to watch him play, as I would expect him to be coming to Pacer's training camp next year. Those teams Slovenia beat typically aren't too shabby. We may as well start scouting a coach from Europe as well, because Bird seems to love the style of play.

    It is too bad Tim Duncan has given up on FIBA, but his experiences have been extremely frustrating.
    IMO, you just need at least 2-3 good threepointshooters. Frontline won't be your problem whoever you send.

    Those three I mentioned before plus Jaka Lakovic http://www.euroleague.net/plantillas/jugador.jsp?id=ATA, Sani Becirovic http://www.euroleague.net/plantillas/jugador.jsp?id=AGG, Bostjan Nachbar http://www.nba.com/playerfile/bostjan_nachbar/ and Uros Slokar http://www.euroleague.net/plantillas/jugador.jsp?id=BWY form the core of Slovenian National Team.

    And you'll meet Italian threepointer shooting machines. This time they'll be more various on offense with Andrea Bargnani http://www.euroleague.net/plantillas/jugador.jsp?id=BWZ

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    It's about 2006, not 2010.

    Btw, Qatar have promised the Hell to every opponent in their group, I'm not sure what they mean. I'm scared a bit. Fortunately not us but Greeks will be the first to know it.
    I have a feeling Turkey will beat Lithuania and probably come through that group comfortably.

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    Uros Slokar...
    How's he doing anyway? Raptors fans are eager to see him next year (hopefully). Apparently he plays behind one of the best big men in the league (Bargnani?) - but does a good job. What is his game like? Can we expect him to be with the Raptors next year?

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    I have a feeling Turkey will beat Lithuania and probably come through that group comfortably.
    Anything can happen in group of death. Turkey has the most unpredictable National Basketball Team, they can beat anyone in the World and they can lose to anyone (serious National Teams, not Qatar). Beating not prime (probably it will be more or less reserves squad again) roster Lithuania wouldn't be a big surprise. Turkoglu and Okur play outstandingly in NBA, Peker, Turkcan, Kutluay, Erdogan have solid Euroleague careers but it's also known Turkey has big microclimte issues. If they fix it, they will have a chance.

    I personally don't like Turkish NT because it's a big stars collection that rearly plays as a team.

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    it's also known Turkey has big microclimte issues. If they fix it, they will have a chance.
    Not familiar with big microclimte issues here stateside. If that means team chemistry problems, then I think we can relate. Care to elaborate on that one?

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    We've seen TEAM USA struggle 2 years ago. As I've stated above - zone D's will be used a lot, esspesialy against TEAM USA. How long it will take or how hard it would be to addapt to this sort of defencive basketball for TEAM USA? I'd like to know Your opinions on this issue.
    I grew up playing hoops in the U.S. and I've studied abroad in Europe. Whenever I've played against zones I have struggled immensely. It was amazing. Nothing prepared me for it. I threw out plenty of Tinsley-esque performances. This isn't to say that my game is NBA-quality but just that I grew up with that same non-shooting mentality that many NBA players have. We better bring along Redick, Redd, Johnson, Lewis, and other guys who can shoot because that is the only way to beat these zones. Well, there is also the whole superior passing thing as lanes can easily open up inside a zone. But outside of Chris Paul we don't really have true PGs. I am scared like crazy because when the other team throws out a good zone, it doesn't matter how talented the U.S. team is. However, I don't think the U.S. will be caught unprepared this time. Especially with Coach K, who prepares like none other. Also, being in college as long as he has, I don't think there are many coaches who are as familar with zones as he is. Along those same lines, why isn't D'Antoni coaching this team?

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    20 to 30 varieities of zone? Could you explain please? Even if you were stretching to make a point I'd like to know.

    How do zone schemes break down beyond 1-3-1, box-1, 2-3, 3-2, and a shifting version of them?
    Messina, Recalcati, Kazlauskas (Olympiacos Head coach, Lithuanian, head Coach of China), Obradovic, Sireikia, Spahija just few coaches to mention who each posseses 3-5 UNIQUE (MADE BY THE COACH) thone defences.

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    How's he doing anyway? Raptors fans are eager to see him next year (hopefully). Apparently he plays behind one of the best big men in the league (Bargnani?) - but does a good job. What is his game like? Can we expect him to be with the Raptors next year?
    IMO, he isn't ready for NBA yet. However, I never thouht Okur could be a star in NBA.

    Slokar is the fourth big man at Benetton (after Goree, Bargnani, Popovic).

    He has European threepointer range. His biggest strength is his movement without a ball. Rarely plays one on one on the low post - the only thing missing on his offensive arsenal, plays face to the basket. Good rebounder, sometimes can play good defence (e.g. limited Darjus Lavrinovic to 9 points and only 4 shot attempts in one of regular season games).

    One of Slovenian NT leaders, gets much freedom on offence and uses it really well there. At treviso coach David Blatt doesn't trust him much. There he usually is just 4-5th scoring option on the floor and dunks or makes open shots just after teammates' passes or offensive rebounds.

    I think he needs 1-2 more seasons at Treviso, where his role and playing time will surely increase, to get ready for NBA. I hope he'll have a solid NBA career.

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    Not familiar with big microclimte issues here stateside. If that means team chemistry problems, then I think we can relate. Care to elaborate on that one?
    They had a few scrimmages at their team during the last EC.

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    I have a feeling Turkey will beat Lithuania and probably come through that group comfortably.
    I have a feeling You are crazy

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    They had a few scrimmages at their team during the last EC.
    Since scrimmages means "practice games," I would hope so.

    I assume you mean they have chemistry problems, and they had a few "skirmishes" (fights)...

    I'm not trying to be rude, I'm European myself and it took me forever to learn English, I'm just interested in their NT and am trying to figure out what you meant.

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    Since scrimmages means "practice games," I would hope so.

    I assume you mean they have chemistry problems, and they had a few "skirmishes" (fights)...

    I'm not trying to be rude, I'm European myself and it took me forever to learn English, I'm just interested in their NT and am trying to figure out what you meant.
    Is it called "scrimmage" team's practice games in basketball, too? Sorry, I didn't know it. If so, that's right, it had to be simply "fights".

    But why don't you like "microclimate"?

    I personally don't like "chemistry, the science of matter". So, I don't want to use this word in other meanings, too.

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    Messina, Recalcati, Kazlauskas (Olympiacos Head coach, Lithuanian, head Coach of China), Obradovic, Sireikia, Spahija just few coaches to mention who each posseses 3-5 UNIQUE (MADE BY THE COACH) thone defences.

    js
    I'm trying to understand what they actually are, in an X's and O's sense.

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    I have a feeling Turkey will beat Lithuania and probably come through that group comfortably.
    Yeah...can't say I agree with that...I think Lithuania and Greece clearly have better teams. And Brazil and Australia can surprise.

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    Is it called "scrimmage" team's practice games in basketball, too? Sorry, I didn't know it. If so, that's right, it had to be simply "fights".

    But why don't you like "microclimate"?

    I personally don't like "chemistry, the science of matter". So, I don't want to use this word in other meanings, too.
    Honestly, I've never heard of the word microclimates, except perhaps in a really specific metereology setting or something. Had no idea what it meant, but you got the idea across.

    But now my interest is piqued by these zone innovations that I keep hearing about...have they begun to use match-up zones over there? Box and 1 type hybrids? I mean, how many possible combinations of players are there, I assume they're not busting out the 1-1-1-1-1 zone.

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    This Euroleague season I've seen moments in a game when 4 (not 2 as it is common) players close ball handler in a box in a corner of a court. it happens so fryky fast... No options. Just to throw the balll in one of defenders legs or no look baloon pass somewhere.

    Those new zone D's they're some sort of hybrid of personal and traditional zone D. Sometimes 3 players or 2 are escorted by defender and zone swithces - like Matrix

    Sorry, I've tried my best. But my limited English and Gorgeous Russian GrrrlFriend in my bed didn't help me to concentrate.

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