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Whether your are a long standing forum member or whether you have just registered today, it's a good idea to read and review the rules below so that you have a very good idea of what to expect when you come to Pacers Digest.

A quick note to new members: Your posts will not immediately show up when you make them. An administrator has to approve at least your first post before the forum software will later upgrade your account to the status of a fully-registered member. This usually happens within a couple of hours or so after your post(s) is/are approved, so you may need to be a little patient at first.

Why do we do this? So that it's more difficult for spammers (be they human or robot) to post, and so users who are banned cannot immediately re-register and start dousing people with verbal flames.

Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.

Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

Rule #2

If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

An example:

If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:

http://www.linktothearticlegoeshere.com/article
Title of the Article
Author's Name
Indianapolis Star

Rule #6

We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.

The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.

Rule #7

Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

Rule #8

We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

Rule #9

Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.

Rule #10

We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.

Rule #11

Do not advertise anything without talking about it with the administrators first. This includes advertising with your signature, with your avatar, through private messaging, and/or by making a thread or post.
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    Season 3 is good, too.

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      Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
      I too have only watched the first season, and I enjoyed it. Wasn't great though. But from what I have heard season #2 is great
      Yea it was a good filler as most shows are on holidays right now. I've tried some other shows like Falling Skies and Psych but they just didn't do it for me.

      Happy to hear that Episodes is back - will give that a go soon.

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        Originally posted by bellisimo View Post
        Yea it was a good filler as most shows are on holidays right now. I've tried some other shows like Falling Skies and Psych but they just didn't do it for me.

        Happy to hear that Episodes is back - will give that a go soon.
        In my opinion, Justified got better and better, with last season being one of the best shows on TV easily. At no point can you ever guess what's going to happen next and Olyphant is phenominal. Stick with it. You will be rewarded.

        Psych quit being good years ago. I'll watch it when I catch it, but they lost a lot of the truly quirky banter that made the show funny. I wish they'd end it. Falling Skies just doesn't feel like it has any real momentum . I'll watch when it's on, not because it's that great, but cause I really like Noah Wylie, love Sarah Carter, Will Patton and Moon Bloodgood.

        I've been watching Common Law. It's good, but needs some umph! It's entertaining, kinda pedestrian, in a way. Suits has actually been pretty enjoyable to me, after I gave up on it halfway through the season last year. I'm looking forward to Political Animals as my replacement for the defunct, Dirty, Sexy, Money.
        Hey! What're you kicking me for? You want me to ask? All right, I'll ask! Ma'am, where do the high school girls hang out in this town?

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          Can't wait for Breaking Bad Sunday night. The Wire is my favorite show of alltime and I don't expect any future show will top that, but Breaking Bad is probably my second favorite alltime. Can't really pinpoint why, except maybe there are probably a half dozen scenes seared into my brain that I doubt will ever leave.

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            Watching season 3 of White Collar

            Pretty cool show.

            DVR'ing season 4 for now. First episode was this week.

            Seems like it'll be forever before Psych is back.
            First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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            • Re: What TV Show Did You Last Watch

              Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
              Can't wait for Breaking Bad Sunday night. The Wire is my favorite show of alltime and I don't expect any future show will top that, but Breaking Bad is probably my second favorite alltime. Can't really pinpoint why, except maybe there are probably a half dozen scenes seared into my brain that I doubt will ever leave.
              HOOO BOY. There's cold opens, then there's Breaking Bad cold opens. This is the last season as I assume you know, but it's 16 episodes and they're splitting into 8 mini-season type things. I want to know if that open was the outcome of this current half season or the series overall.

              I really can't get over how much this series surprised me. I remember calling my buddy a week or so before the series started and saying "hey man, dad from Malcolm In The Middle becomes a meth cook, gotta at least give it a go." It's certainly not The Wire, nothing is, but Breaking Bad I infinitely enjoy it more.

              Oh, and when your lead-in is one of the handful of best TV productions in history, you put some kind of small town cops reality show behind it. Who the hell's running AMC these days?

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                Falling Skies
                In tonight's episode they were sitting in a room discussing the lack of fuel and their need for more fuel, all the while bemoaning their inability to find any fuel. I suggest they go flag down one of the cars driving on the street that was off in the distance and clearly could be seen from the window of the hospital.

                Oops! Next time they might want to reconsider the blocking and camera angles!

                You can also catch glimpses of people outside the window, and I suspect they weren't really supposed to be filmed, but that's arguable as they could be extras and candy for the scene. But that doesn't explain cars zooming down the street!

                ...And this show continues it's cheese factor...
                Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                -John Wooden

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                  Mother F-ing Newsroom! I love this show! Jeff Daniels is going to get a freaking emmy this year. I just hope they dont' cut this first season short at like 8 episodes like they do for alot of their first season series.

                  I've read alot of this forums criticisms on this show and I frankly think you are all wrong. This week they flat out called Michelle Bachman a liar. Which is something none of the news shows on network or cable have the courage to do. Infact Michelle Bachman was on CNN this past week and she flat out lied about the Obama care law again, and no body had the courage to call her out on it on air. I fancy myself a political junky and I do alot of research on prevalent political trends and issues so its really awesome to see a show that tackles these news stories from a unique retrospect. It shows you how it should have been reported, and they really do take a very factual approach to it. Now granted they take some liberties with timelines, but i can accept that.

                  One of my favorite news moments so far is from Ep 3 where they have their election night coverage and they are interviewing the newly elected Tea Party Candidate. They ask him about the whole debt ceiling debate and he gives the standard ginned up response that we heard in real life on this issue, and the news team sorta chimes in with the sobering truth that nobody really wanted to acknowledge in the real world as well. Which was played out brilliantly by the congressman elect's, inability to hear or acknowledge their question due to raucous crowd. Then they followed up with the hack job analyst again going to his standard "beautiful display of democracy tonight!" F-ing brilliant.

                  This show had me with in the first ten minutes of the Episode 1.
                  You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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                  • Re: What TV Show Did You Last Watch

                    Breaking Bad Season 5 Premiere - It felt almost like an epilogue to the end of the fourth season rather than jumping full on into new territory. It certainly hasn't missed a beat and I'm so glad to have Mike back in super smart-*** mode. I just think they could have set the table for a few more of the elements of what's going on. I'm not sure on the choice of setting the episode right after that last. Mostly because I really want to know what happened on a larger level as a result of the end of season 4. I'm sure they'll get into it. (Walt may get away with doing another incredibly stupid thing and, god, I hate Skylar.)
                    You Got The Tony!!!!!!

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                    • Re: What TV Show Did You Last Watch

                      Originally posted by Heisenberg View Post
                      I really can't get over how much this series surprised me. I remember calling my buddy a week or so before the series started and saying "hey man, dad from Malcolm In The Middle becomes a meth cook, gotta at least give it a go." It's certainly not The Wire, nothing is, but Breaking Bad I infinitely enjoy it more.
                      I was having dinner in Westwood a few years ago when Bryan Cranston and Curtis Armstrong (Booger from Revenge of the Nerds) joined the large table I was sitting at. It happened not too long before Breaking Bad aired. I didn't watch MITM so I didn't have much to say to Bryan, but I would've closed the restaurant before running out of Breaking Bad questions. It's one of a very few Hollywood moments I wish I could do over (of course, a few years later).

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                      • Re: What TV Show Did You Last Watch

                        Originally posted by imawhat View Post
                        I was having dinner in Westwood a few years ago when Bryan Cranston and Curtis Armstrong (Booger from Revenge of the Nerds) joined the large table I was sitting at. It happened not too long before Breaking Bad aired. I didn't watch MITM so I didn't have much to say to Bryan, but I would've closed the restaurant before running out of Breaking Bad questions. It's one of a very few Hollywood moments I wish I could do over (of course, a few years later).
                        Did you send a bottle of sparkling apple juice to his house? Did he get it?
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                          Watched episode 3 and 4 of Newsroom. I enjoyed the format of ep #3 - similar to the Social Network. I do enjoy the show even there are times throughout that it is a little painfull, but then it will hit a really dramatic and exciting few minutes which makes it worth watching.

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                            Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                            Watched episode 3 and 4 of Newsroom. I enjoyed the format of ep #3 - similar to the Social Network. I do enjoy the show even there are times throughout that it is a little painfull, but then it will hit a really dramatic and exciting few minutes which makes it worth watching.
                            Bingo! I was almost drumming my fingers last episode, thinking, like the episode before, how kinda pedestrian things were going and how ridiculous some of the attempts at humor were...until the last 10 minutes. When it was over, my wife kinda wiped her eyes and asked me why she felt emotional. For all of his faults, Sorkins seems repeatedly able to tap into something primal and empathetic to close each episode that makes you not only consider the point he's trying to make, but causes you to think about your own actions and thinking. For that alone, Newsroom is must see TV. Can't wait each week for a new episode.
                            Hey! What're you kicking me for? You want me to ask? All right, I'll ask! Ma'am, where do the high school girls hang out in this town?

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                              Newsroom is entertaining to a point but it has a lot of flaws that just really grate on me. I’m sorry but the idiotic burgeoning romance between Maggie & Jim just gets in the way every single week IMO. In fact I find that storyline part of it very annoying.

                              Also while I originally liked his character the first week I have come to grow a strong dislike for Charlie Skinner. In fact his act in the boardroom with the meeting with Jane Fonda’s character was just to over the top and cheesy for me.

                              Also while I find the story line between Will & MacKenzie to also be annoying I don’t dislike it nearly as much as I do the one between Maggie & Jim.

                              I like the way Daniels is playing McAvoy.

                              I guess I am with this show like I am with Mad Men, I like when they are at their jobs but I just have no interest in their off duty persona.

                              Obviously anytime you are watching HBO in particular & Hollywood in general you have to know you are going to be treated to a heaping dose of liberal viewpoints, however I think where I am vastly disappointed here is that for whatever reason I was under the impression that they were going to try and at least pretend to be neutral. Well I guess their version of neutral is that McAvoy is a registered Republican but hates every Republican and any of their ideals.

                              I don’t want to make this just a political point here but frankly I hope that the DNC is giving these guys money to help with production cost because if not this is the biggest free advertisement in the history of TV.

                              However in all fairness I do believe that this is probably very accurate to how newsrooms are run although that is just a guess on my part.


                              Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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                              • Re: What TV Show Did You Last Watch

                                Wilfred - Great writing. I don't always laugh out loud when I watch television, but when I do, it's during this show. Also, Dos Equis.

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