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    After selecting Jahadi White off the Sun's unprotected list I started to have second thoughts about not only that pick, but that of Alonzo Mourning as well.

    Those 2 players will both be over the $5M mark next season & together they make up about a third of what I have selected as the Bobcats roster. Including the Blazers, there are 7 teams remaining to review. That might add 3 or 4 more players to the Charlotte roster & bring them closer to 35M than the 30M they are expected to have available as a first year salary cap.

    Following the Washington thread the middle of next week I plan on going back in & dropping 1 or 2 players. I think Charlotte wants to keep a little room under their 30M in an effort to sign a free agent or two.

    Lets see how this thing plays itself out.

    For those that haven't noticed, the older threads in this series can now be found in the Forum Archive section.

    The disclaimers..........

    From NBA.com, a story on the Bobcats draft.
    http://www.nba.com/bobcats/news/expansion_draft.html

    This paragraph has the basic info.

    Charlotte will receive lists from each of the 27 teams not competing in the NBA Finals 10 days prior to the scheduled Expansion Draft (June 12) and those from the competing teams in the Finals within two days of the conclusion of the Finals. Team lists will designate a maximum of eight protected players for that teamís players under contract or restricted free agents for the 2004-05 NBA season. The unprotected players are eligible for selection by the Bobcats, who will draft a minimum of 14 players from NBA rosters.

    Free agent info from REAL GM.
    http://www.realgm.com/src_freeagents.php?year=2004

    Salary information can be found at Hoops Hype.
    http://www.hoopshype.com/salaries/portland.htm

    This is the Blazers roster

    Damon Stoudamire
    Shareef Abdur-Rahim
    Theo Ratliff
    Dale Davis
    Derek Anderson
    Ruben Patterson
    Darius Miles
    Zach Randolph
    Qyntel Woods
    Vladimir Stepania
    Dan Dickau
    Travis Outlaw
    Eddie Gill
    Omar Cook
    Desmond Ferguson

    Portland has a full 15 man roster. 13 players are signed for next season & of the 2 free agents, 1 is restricted.

    The Blazers signed for the 04-05 season.

    Damon Stoudamire ----- $15,750,000
    Shareef Abdur-Rahim -- $14,625,000
    Theo Ratliff --------------- $10,937,500
    Dale Davis ------------------ $9,000,000
    Derek Anderson ----------- $8,443,500
    Ruben Patterson ---------- $5,899,400
    Zach Randolph ------------ $1,805,126
    Qyntel Woods ------------- $1,172,160
    Vladimir Stepania ---------- Not Listed
    Dan Dickau ------------------- $893,400
    Travis Outlaw ---------------- $843,000
    Eddie Gill ---------------------- $720,046
    Omar Cook ------------------ Not Listed

    Restricted Free agent.

    Darius Miles ----------------- $5,419,480

    Free agent

    Desmond Ferguson

    Abdur-Rahim, Ratliff, Patterson, Randolph, Woods & Outlaw get 6 of the 8 slots on the protected list.

    Abdur-Rahim & Ratliff are priced too high for the Bobcats but they are far too talented to be left off the list. Patterson makes about 5.9, a little pricy but he's averaging 7.1 with 3.7 boards. Throw in 1.19 steals & a FG% of .508 & he makes a pretty solid case for being kept. Randolph is a gimmie. Woods & Outlaw are young & cheap. I don't think the Blazers want to give up on either so quickly.

    I'm gonna add Miles to the list too. He will turn 23 before next season & will have 4 years of NBA experience. In 28 MPG he is averaging 12.7 points & 4.7 boards while shooting a very nice .532 from the field.

    That brings us down to the last spot with the following players to pick from.

    Damon Stoudamire, Dale Davis, Derek Anderson, Vladimir Stepania, Dan Dickau, Eddie Gill & Omar Cook.

    Stoudamire is way over paid & the Blazers are stuck with him. He will not make the list. The upside is that next season is the last of that bloated contract.

    Davis still contributes but at 35 & 9M next season he too will not be protected.

    Anderson has a couple things working against him. First he will turn 30 this summer. Second he has 3 years left on his deal starting with next years 8.4M. Third, he has lost his shot. He is shooting a career worse .369 from the field. His 3pt FG% has fallen the past 4 years too. Even though Anderson is a starter & playing 35 MPG I think the Blazer will take a chance by leaving him off the list.

    Stepania is my boy & I hated to see him sign with the Blazers. He was doing so well in Miani & they were so short of size it made no sence to me that they wouldn't keep him. He has never fit in well in Portland & as loaded as they are up front he will never play more than token minutes. He is probably going to be around the $1M mark next season, not bad for a guy 7-1, 255. I'm gonna give Stepania the last spot because of the combination of his size & contract.

    I'm gonna group the last 3 guys together.

    Dickau, Gill & Cook are end of the bench guys that will play more games in other leagues than they will ever play in the NBA.

    This is the Portland protected list.

    Shareef Abdur-Rahim
    Theo Ratliff
    Ruben Patterson
    Darius Miles
    Zach Randolph
    Qyntel Woods
    Vladimir Stepania
    Travis Outlaw

    Portland will leave the following players for Charlotte to select from.

    Damon Stoudamire
    Dale Davis
    Derek Anderson
    Dan Dickau
    Eddie Gill
    Omar Cook

    Charlotte does not select a player from the Blazers.

    Here is the Charlotte Expansion Draft.

    Atlanta ------------- No Pick
    Boston ------------- C - Kedrick Perkins -------- $729,500
    Chicago ------------ No Pick
    Cleveland ---------- G - Kevin Ollie ----------- $2,704,350
    Dallas --------------- G - Tony Delk ----------- $3,150,000
    Denver -------------- F - Ryan Bowen -------- $1,400,000 (est)
    Detroit -------------- No Pick
    Golden State ------ No Pick
    Houston ------------ GF - Adrian Griffin ---------- $807,546
    Indiana ------------- C - Primoz Brezec ------- $1,554,326
    L.A. Clippers ------- F - Melvin Ely ------------- $1,742,400
    L.A. Lakers --------- No Pick
    Memphis ------------ GF - Dahntay Jones ----- $1,143,360
    Miami ---------------- No Pick
    Milwaukee ----------- F Marcus Haislip -------- $1,655,280

    Minnesota ----------- No Pick
    New Jersey --------- C Alanzo Mourning ----- $5,408,700
    New Orleans -------- No Pick
    New York ------------ No Pick
    Orlando --------------G Reese Gaines ----------- $1,212,200
    Philadelphia --------- No Pick
    Phoenix -------------- C Jahidi White ------------- $5,884,500
    Portland -------------- No Pick

    Total payroll $27,392, 192
    The 4th pick in the 2004 draft (Charlottes pick) is slotted to make roughly $2,523,200. I have yet to add it in, but I do want to keep it in mind.

    After I add in the salary for the #4 pick the Bobcats have a projected payroll of $29,915,392

    Charlotte's payroll next season will be 2/3's of the salary cap. If the cap is 45M then the Bobcats will have about 30M for players.

    Links to previous threads in this series.

    Atlanta ------ http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=996
    Boston ------ http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1038
    Chicago ----- http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1083
    Cleveland -- http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1122
    Dallas ------- http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1162
    Denver ------ http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1216
    Detroit ------ http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1251
    Golden St. -- http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1318
    Houston ---- http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1355
    Indiana ----- http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1427
    LA Clippers - http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1493
    LA Lakers --- http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1543
    Memphis ---- http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1615
    Miami ----- -- http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1681
    Milwaukee -- http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1719
    Minnesota --- http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1743
    New Jersey - http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1798
    New Orleans http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1939
    New York --- http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1953
    Orlando ----- http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1978
    Philadelphia - http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2018
    Phoenix ----- http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2048

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    Jose, you know I love ya but again I feel the need to disagree.

    I just don't think there is any way in the world that they would keep Stepania & lose Dickau when they are so low on guards. They have big men aplenty.

    My prediction is that the Blazers make Stepania available & that the Bobcats take him.

    Atlanta - no pick
    Boston - Jumaine Jones $ 1,687,500
    Chicago - Chris Jeffries $ 899,040
    Cleveland - Kedrick Brown $ 2,332,388
    Dallas - Tony Delk $ 3,150,00
    Denver - no pick
    Detroit - no pick
    Golden State - Popeye Jones
    Houston - no pick
    Indiana - Primoz Brezec $1,554,326
    L.A. Clips - Melvin Ely $ 1,742,400
    L.A. Lakers - Devan George $ 4,500,000
    Memphis - no pick (trade)
    Miami - no pick
    Milwaukee - Marcus Haislip $1,655,280
    Minnesota - no pick.
    New Jersey - no pick
    New Orleans - no pick
    New York - Frank Williams $957,480
    Orlando - DeShawn Stevenson
    Philidelphia - Kyle Korver
    Pheonix - no pick
    Portland - Vladimir Stepania


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    I'd have to look at it... I'd be pretty tempted to take Derek Anderson. Veteran, good locker-room guy, solid defender.

    Anybody with me on this?
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    I'd have to look at it... I'd be pretty tempted to take Derek Anderson. Veteran, good locker-room guy, solid defender.

    Anybody with me on this?
    Don't get me wrong, I like Anderson. But I am working with a budget here & I don't have 8 mil to spend on him.


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    I'd have to look at it... I'd be pretty tempted to take Derek Anderson. Veteran, good locker-room guy, solid defender.

    Anybody with me on this?
    Nope! What Peck said.


    My two cents; The Blazers have been trying to get rid of Patterson for a couple years now, he won't be protected.

    Since Jose pointed out that Charlotte will want to be a player in the free agent market and they have to select 14 players at a minimum I think they will pick Omar Cook. I think whenever a cheap contract can be had Charlotte will take it.

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    Hey Will I can't find the contracts for Stepania & Cook? How much differance between the two is there?


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    There's no way the Blazers protect Qyntel Woods. He's a joke. He never plays. He's trouble. He's a lost cause.

    And I also would be very surprised if they protect Stepania. Again he never plays.

    I'd also almost believe that they might expose Abdur-Rahim. Bobcats aren't going to pay that high a price, plus Abdur-Rahim is one of the most overrated players in the league. He's never played on a good team....never played on a playoff team. He just piled up big numbers in Atlanta and Vancouver. He'd probably score 20 a game for the Bobcats too, but it wouldn't make them a good team. And they aren't going to pay 14 mil for him.

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    I understand the part about Stepania but my thinking was, he's 7-1 & only making about a million next season. Of the players left to pick from he was by far the best.

    Woods is still too young to give up on. He is in his second year & came straight outta HS, plus his contract really isn't putting to much of a burden on the Blazers.

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    Woods is still too young to give up on. He is in his second year & came straight outta HS, plus his contract really isn't putting to much of a burden on the Blazers.
    Woods played for a JC somewhere in the south for a couple seasons. I think he originally signed to play at Memphis State, but he had eligibility and crime troubles so he had to go to JC instead. Of course his eligibility and crime background made him the perfect candidate to be drafted by the former Trailblazer regime.

    Unfortunately, in their analysis of Woods, they gave him big props for being an illiterate pothead, but they failed to factor in his inability to play basketball.

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    Hey Will I can't find the contracts for Stepania & Cook? How much differance between the two is there?
    Patrica has Cook signed for two years at the minimum. Next year he will have a year in the NBA so the minimum will be $620,046

    Stepania is also on a two year contract at 1.6 million. Most contracts have yearly 12 to 15% pay raises built in so he probably signed for less than half. So my guess would be the difference is about $200,000.

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    I don't see Charlotte taking anyone from Portland given the contract situation of many of these guys or considering who I have them taking previously. No Pick.

    Atlanta - No Pick
    Boston - Kedrick Perkins - $729,500
    Chicago - No Pick _or_ Eddie Robinson + Draft Pick - $6,767,540 + Pick or $0
    Cleveland - No Pick
    Dallas - Tony Delk - $3,150,000
    Denver - No Pick
    Detroit - No Pick _or_ Campbell (in hopes of getting talent for this expiring contract at the deadline) - $4,400,000 or $0
    Golden State - No Pick
    Houston - Adrian Griffin - $807,546
    Indiana - Primoz Brezec - $1,554,326
    LA Clippers - Melvin Ely - $1,742,400
    LA Lakers - No Pick
    Memphis - Theron Smith - $620,046
    Miami - No Pick
    Milwaukee - Marcus Haislip $1,655,280
    Minnesota - No Pick
    New Jersey - No Pick

    New Orleans - No Pick
    New York - Moochie Norris - $3,850,000
    Orlando - No Pick
    Philadelphia - No Pick
    Phoenix - No Pick or Jahidi White (in place of Campbell) $5,884,500
    Portland - No Pick

    $25,276,638 if they take both Robinson and Campbell. Draft pick from Chicago will add to that though too.

    $26,761,138 if they take Robinson and White. Draft pick(s) adds.

    $14,109,098 if they take none of the above

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