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  • #1

    Tommy Maddox released

    Yes!
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    nfl notebook
    It's official: Steelers cut Maddox
    Expected salary cap move by Pittsburgh puts veteran QB on the free agent market
    Star news services
    Tommy Maddox, who lost his starting quarterback job shortly after Ben Roethlisberger's arrival in 2004, was released Friday by the Pittsburgh Steelers in a long-expected salary cap move.
    Maddox became one of the NFL's unlikeliest success stories when, after retiring from football and becoming an insurance agent, he returned after a six-year absence and a short stay in the XFL to lead the Steelers to a 10-5-1 record and the second round of the playoffs in 2002.
    Maddox, an NFL starter for the first time at age 31, completed 234-of-377 passes for 2,836 yards, 20 touchdowns and 16 interceptions and set a Steelers single-game record of 473 yards passing against Atlanta that season. His breakthrough season came only months after the former Broncos first-round draft pick was the XFL's MVP.
    But Maddox, whose ascension to starter pushed longtime Steelers QB Kordell Stewart off the team, subsequently lost his job following a 6-10 season in 2003 -- after the Steelers restructured an offense that had long been built around the run to fit Maddox's downfield throwing.
    Also cut was Willie Williams, a cornerback on the Steelers' 1995 Super Bowl team who unexpectedly became a starter again after returning to the team in 2004. He was deactivated for most of last season after being beaten out by Ike Taylor.
    Lions sign King to be backup
    The Lions signed Shaun King to a one-year contract, adding quarterback depth and perhaps competition for Joey Harrington.
    King did not play in the NFL after being released by the Cardinals a year ago following a three-game stint during the 2004 season, his sixth in the NFL.
    His best season was in 2000 when he started every game for the Buccaneers, throwing 18 touchdowns and 13 interceptions, a year after they advanced to the NFC Championship Game with him at quarterback.
    In Detroit, under former Tampa Bay assistant Rod Marinelli, King will have a chance to be the veteran backup the Lions need behind Harrington and in front of second-year pro Dan Orlovsky.
    King was 15-10, including 1-2 in the playoffs, from 1999-2003 with the Bucs. He started two of three games in 2004 for the Cardinals before failing to land with an NFL team last season. King worked out for the Lions last year but was not signed.


    Droughns gets new deal
    Reuben Droughns, who last season became the first Browns running back since 1985 to go over 1,000 yards, signed a three-year contract extension.
    Droughns rushed for 1,232 yards last year and broke Jim Brown's record for carries in a season (309) while starting all 16 games, finally giving the Browns some consistency at the position.
    The 27-year-old lobbied the Browns for a long-term deal and general manager Phil Savage said he earned it with his performance last season. Terms of the deal were not disclosed.
    "We are anxious to give him the opportunity to have a focused offseason where he can emerge as a leader on offense," Savage said in a statement.
    For the Broncos in 2004, Droughns rushed for 1,240 yards when injuries thrust him into the starting role after years of being used as a fullback. But the Broncos didn't envision him as their starting tailback and dealt him to the Browns for defensive linemen Ebenezer Ekuban and Michael Myers.
    Etc.
    The Cowboys released DT La'Roi Glover and announced the retirement of LB Dat Nguyen. Glover, a 10-year veteran who signed with the Cowboys as a free agent in 2002, made his sixth Pro Bowl last season, finishing with 26 tackles and three sacks. Nguyen, an eight-year veteran, led the Cowboys with 172 tackles in 2001, his first full season as a starter. He was slowed by a neck injury last season. . . . The Patriots re-signed CB Hank Poteat. . . . Chiefs DT Saousaolii Siavii Jr. was ordered to perform 80 hours of community service for assaulting a doorman at a Minneapolis hotel last summer, according to the Star Tribune. . . . Eagles QB Donovan McNabb and LB Jeremiah Trotter, charged with parking their cars in handicapped spots, failed to show for a hearing in Glassboro, N.J.
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  • #2
    Re: Tommy Maddox released

    I blame Tommy for being just good enough that Bill - for a season or two - abandoned the running game, but not good enough to actually lead a team to wins by passing the ball that much.

    Hopefully Ben continues to understand that the QB's most important job is to hand the ball off and then to pass.
    Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
    Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
    Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
    Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
    And life itself, rushing over me
    Life itself, the wind in black elms,
    Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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    • #3
      Re: Tommy Maddox released

      Originally posted by Jay@Section204
      I blame Tommy for being just good enough that Bill - for a season or two - abandoned the running game, but not good enough to actually lead a team to wins by passing the ball that much.

      Hopefully Ben continues to understand that the QB's most important job is to hand the ball off and then to pass.
      You say that but Pitt's running game isn't as great as you think it is anymore. Willie Parker isn't a workhorse and I don't think he will be able to carry the load 20 times a game. Duce Staley is almost dead and I really don't think he will be an impact RB this upcoming year for the Steelers. They should look to the draft for a RB and have another RBBC with Fast Willie Parker and whoever they draft with Staley being a change of pace back.

      Big Ben proved he could pass the ball this year in a few games where he threw for over 300 yards and was unstoppable. But I guess you can't forget the SB where he had a 22.3 passer rating. Needless to say, I think they are going to need some help next year in the running game whether they sign a marquee free agent or look to the draft.

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      • #4
        Re: Tommy Maddox released

        Yeah, I agree they need another starting-caliber back.

        But the running back isn't the most important part of the rushing game either (just like the quarterback isn't very important to the passing game.)

        As long as Marvel Smith stays healthy, and Alan Faneca is still the best OL in football the Steelers running game will be fine. The right side included two "new" guys this season and they were really in-sync as the season progressed. The big question mark is C with Jeff Hartings' contract situation and TE (is Heath Miller a good enough blocking tight end?)

        As long as that O-line is in place, even an aging Jerome Bettis and unimpressive (IMO) Willie Parker could look good.

        As always in football, it ain't about the "skilled" positions. Its about the trenches.

        They can find a "starting caliber" RB in the second or third round. Barry Foster and Bam Morris and even Bettis weren't super-high draft picks.
        Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
        Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
        Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
        Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
        And life itself, rushing over me
        Life itself, the wind in black elms,
        Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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        • #5
          Re: Tommy Maddox released

          I don't know. If you put a guy like Jamal Lewis behind that offensive line, your looking at another 2000 yard season easily. Hell, if that happened, I would admit that the Steelers would probably win another superbowl and I'm a pats fan. As long as the defense and O-Line they have is in place, they should be a competitive bunch..But if they got a stud like Lewis or Edge, they would be extremely good....All of this is assuming there still is a salary cap in the distant future.

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          • #6
            Re: Tommy Maddox released

            Oh yeah, if you put a star RB in there it would be great.

            But RBs get hurt quite reguarly.

            Assuming there is still a cap - you've got to be careful how much you pay a starting RB because your second and third string guys are also likely to start a couple games each (or more) over the course of a season. So there can't be a huge dropoff.

            You're a Pats fan? I don't think I knew that. One thing our teams have in common in recent years - they fill needs based on their system. They don't re-invent their team's identities very often; the Steelers gave a half-assed effort during the Maddox days and it didn't work and it didn't go over well with the fans.

            We don't want a fancy passing team, because we know those teams don't win playoff games. Our lack of success in the post season before this year wasn't because of gameplan or strategy. The Patroits have simply out-executed us in Pittsburgh many, many times.

            BTW, I've thought about Edge, but I'm not convinced he could be a go-to guy on snowy January day in Pittsburgh. He's very good, of course, but you really need a bruiser (and that's why I'm interested to see a reinvorated Staley next season. I'm 50-50 on whether he's "almost dead" or if, by essentially taking this season off and not accumulating any more wear-and-tear, he's got another year or two left.)
            Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
            Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
            Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
            Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
            And life itself, rushing over me
            Life itself, the wind in black elms,
            Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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            • #7
              Re: Tommy Maddox released

              Originally posted by Moses
              I'm a pats fan.


              Speaking of the need for another RB, I think us Pats fans need to hope for someone to be a more effective alternative to Corey Dillon than Kevin Faulk. Dillion's injuries last year just wouldn't quit, but maybe he's approaching the age where they won't.
              The poster "pacertom" since this forum began (and before!). I changed my name here to "Slick Pinkham" in honor of the imaginary player That Bobby "Slick" Leonard picked late in the 1971 ABA draft (true story!).

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              • #8
                Re: Tommy Maddox released

                I think I've talked about this before, but I've had several consulting engagements in the past where we have calcuated the value and life of "player contracts" for various sports teams. That's an asset that gets amortized for tax purposes when somebody buys a team.

                Anyway, it blew my mind but our analysis invariably indicated that running backs have an average NFL career of 2.2 seasons - because of all the physical abuse and pounding they take.

                It really makes you appreciate the longevity of guys like Bettis, Marshall Faulk, Edge, Emmitt Smith, Franco Harris and Dorsett.

                And Tom, shame on you because you knew I'd be in this thread.

                Its impactive.

                Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
                Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
                Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
                Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
                And life itself, rushing over me
                Life itself, the wind in black elms,
                Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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                • #9
                  Re: Tommy Maddox released

                  Originally posted by Jay@Section204
                  even Bettis weren't super-high draft picks.
                  Jay, Jerome was #10 overall in 1993 by Rams.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Tommy Maddox released

                    Originally posted by pacertom


                    Speaking of the need for another RB, I think us Pats fans need to hope for someone to be a more effective alternative to Corey Dillon than Kevin Faulk. Dillion's injuries last year just wouldn't quit, but maybe he's approaching the age where they won't.
                    Wouldn't have been surprised to see us go to the draft but now that we have 8 million in cap space, We could probably sign a RB. Dillon is just to old now. We took the last good year he had out of him.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Tommy Maddox released

                      Originally posted by McClintic Sphere
                      Jay, Jerome was #10 overall in 1993 by Rams.
                      That's right, we traded a second and fourth rounder for him. That's what I meant.

                      What a freaking steal.
                      Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
                      Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
                      Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
                      Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
                      And life itself, rushing over me
                      Life itself, the wind in black elms,
                      Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

                      Comment

                      • #12
                        Re: Tommy Maddox released

                        You're not wearing a little extra bling nowadays are ya, Jay?

                        http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll.../SPORTSPONTIAC --

                        Mike Martindale / The Detroit News

                        When The Bus stopped in Michigan last month, so did a big chunk of Jerome Bettis' bling.

                        The Pittsburgh Steelers running back, known as "The Bus" for his bruising running style, said he misplaced some pricey jewelry at the Pontiac Silverdome last month while practicing for Super Bowl XL.

                        According to Pontiac police, once he was back in Pittsburgh, Bettis discovered he was without his $31,100 Rolex watch and a men's 9-inch, 18-carat gold bracelet "with 270 princess-cut diamonds," appraised at $35,950. The Steelers' football team stayed and practiced in Pontiac before the Big Game at Ford Field in Detroit.

                        "It's being reported as lost property, so it's technically not a crime," said Pontiac Police Capt. Wendy Keelty-Reyes. "We just got the report but we're going to do whatever we can to help recover the stuff for him. Some of the guys around here can't believe it. His jewelry cost more than their cars."

                        Bettis, 34, who was raised in Detroit, could not be reached for comment Thursday.

                        According to the lost property report filed Thursday from Pittsburgh, Bettis believes he removed the jewelry and placed it on the top shelf of his unsecured locker before taking to the Pontiac Silverdome field for practice Feb. 4. He later discovered he wasn't wearing the pieces and assumed they had been collected and packed up by Steelers' personnel.

                        The missing jewelry was apparently forgotten with the Super Bowl hoopla: a Steelers' 21-10 victory and a head-spinning aftermath that included national TV appearances, celebrations and his retirement from the NFL.
                        Bettis isn't certain that the jewelry disappeared from the locker, but it's the last place he remembered seeing it, Keelty-Reyes said.

                        John Kissick, head of security at the Silverdome, said he worked during the week of Super Bowl practice and said the NFL also put a special security team in place. The practices were closed.

                        "No one got in or out of there that wasn't supposed to be there," he said. "It was tighter in there than Fort Knox."

                        When the practices were over, the Steelers organization packed everything up and took it back to Pittsburgh, he said.
                        "If anything was taken out of there, it was taken out by their organization," he said, adding that every locker has a lockbox welded to its bottom.

                        Keelty-Reyes said Silverdome security officers reported that the property Bettis described had not been turned in. Security officers visited the locker room Thursday and rechecked all the storage areas and came up empty-handed.

                        Bettis, who will be an NBC studio analyst for Sunday night football games in the fall, is a fan favorite who graduated from Detroit Mackenzie High before attending the University of Notre Dame. His parents still live in the Detroit area, and Bettis has said he plans to become part of the Detroit business community.

                        You can reach Mike Martindale at (248) 647-7226 or mmartindale@detnews.com.

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