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Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

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"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

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We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

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The Star} Who Is To Start At Point?

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  • #46
    Re: The Star} Who Is To Start At Point?

    Originally posted by vapacersfan
    WHAT?

    EDDIE GILL IS THE ANSWER FOR OUR PG SITUATION
    As long as he gets around 30-40 minutes...as a backup, no. Then he only gets like 25-30 minutes and he's surprisingly ineffective...

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    • #47
      Re: The Star} Who Is To Start At Point?

      You guys can laugh at me all you want but I have zero problem with Ed Gill.

      He is what he is & with a team like ours we need professionals who don't cause trouble, support the team & are ready whenever they are called on.

      In fact I'll go one better than that.

      If A.J. were the starter, Saras was not on the team & Tins were injured (in other words what we had last season) then I have no problem at all with Ed Gill being the backup with Freddy splitting time with him.

      Do I want Ed to start? No.

      Do I think he's a great player? No

      Do I even think he's a good player? Not really

      But he can get the ball up court, he can defend fairly well & he doesn't think he is more than he is.

      I think Ed Gill gets a bad rap on here.


      Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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      • #48
        Re: The Star} Who Is To Start At Point?

        Originally posted by Lithfan
        I have to admit one thing. Something happened to him. May be its because he is getting married or because things dont open up for him for the first time in his life or may be it something else but....

        ...He never allowed himself to talk in this way. In his words was sarcastic criticism to his coach. I don't think it's professional and he never allowed it previously.

        One of things he said to european press... T.O. and dont be angry, the press naturally asks him questions about differences and want to show that Euroleague is better than NBA at least in something.... He said that players allow themselfs much more than in Europe. He was really suprised, talked about players (no names) not coming to the practice because they don't feel like it, not listening to the coach directions during the game etc.

        He was really a good boy before the NBA. Someone gave here an example and I saw it in person, how coach humiliated him by not letting him play in the important game while his falks flew to Tel-Aviv especially to see him play. And he said nothing and played well next time.

        I think all this Artest thing corrupted him.
        Hopefully something will happen that will shake him up. Because he will not get too far with this attitude.

        And saying this, I have also to say that he was never given the full chance he deserves and its Rick mistake. But I can afford myself to say that and he not.

        I think there is a lot more to this than what we want to believe.

        About 2-3 weeks ago I came to the conclusion that I was probably being to hard on Saras because let's be honest he came into one of the most bitter, volatile & poisonous atmosphere's that have ever existed.

        So when he say's players take to much for themselves I have to always take that into consideration.

        He only knows the NBA from our locker room & let's be honest our locker room sucked at the beginning of this season.

        So we have to give him a little bit of a break.


        Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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        • #49
          Re: The Star} Who Is To Start At Point?

          Originally posted by vapacersfan
          If that post was in response to my [joke] of a post, I have a word word response for you: sarcasm.

          As for your post, I agree with you, except for Freddie running the "1". I never again in my life want to see Fred run the 1.
          The same goes for me. I don't think we're giving Gill a bad rap. In fact, I do agree he is an uber-pro but let's face it, the man isn't a backup on a championship contender. If that's where we wanna be then our backups need to be of AJ's caliber, that's all I'm saying. Also, Freddie at the point...no me gusta...

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          • #50
            Re: The Star} Who Is To Start At Point?

            Originally posted by Peck
            He only knows the NBA from our locker room & let's be honest our locker room sucked at the beginning of this season.

            So we have to give him a little bit of a break.
            The problem is that Saras has not enough talent so succeed with this attitude. He has to be very positive and motivated. He needs to be shaken and may be Tins return will do it.

            In any case someone will get hurt when Tins returns.

            The question is when and for how long he returns.

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            • #51
              Re: The Star} Who Is To Start At Point?

              Originally posted by Jon Theodore
              I think Saras' back injury that is RARELY talked about is affecting his play a lot. The first ten games or so as a Pacer, he was living up to the hype and that was before he was even acclimated to his surroundings.

              Now I don't have much confidence in his shot and I think his injuries and how he is not used to the rigorous NBA schedule have worn on him. I still feel like Saras will impress a lot of people his 2nd year, something he hasn't done a lot of yet.

              I think Saras will reach his peak in his third year, then get a contract he doesn't deserve from a lower tier team. But i like our chances. I still think signing Saras was a good move, better than picking up Dale Davis thats for sure.

              Keeping Stojakovic really needs to be our number one priority over EVERYTHING. If we lose Stojakovic....well I don't even want to think about that.

              Regardless, I think Saras struggles recently are relative and I don't think it's fair to evaluate him based on that. Remember the Saras when he first came here, his shot was AUTOMATIC. He will get that back...maybe not this year. Expect a different player next year is all i'm saying.
              If we lose Peja, so what we have Danger. Given an off summer where he will have a better understanding of the team's playbook we will be our next Al Harrington, do not trade him .

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              • #52
                Re: The Star} Who Is To Start At Point?

                Originally posted by BillS
                Well, this is exactly what I'm talking about regarding many of Saras' supporters.
                I don't like these generalizations (even if they are true)

                Originally posted by BillS
                While I'm OK with Saras saying he'd like more playing time, I really can't believe the fans who think that if he isn't getting more consistent at 20 minutes a game he'll somehow suddenly start to shine at 30 or 40 or because he starts instead of coming off the bench. That's blindness to the realities of the game.
                This is not about number of minutes. This is about a point guard getting coach's trust, and legitimacy to make errors. Look what this has done for A.J lately.

                Originally posted by BillS
                If Saras wanted the keys he should have gone to a team with no point guard rather than one that had the position covered. A team with options who hasn't written off the season for rebuilding is not going to decide to start rookies when other options are working for them, especially when spot minutes don't show a huge upside for making that kind of decision.
                Yep. He made a mistake. I think he took his chances with a competitive team, but Indy's locker room was a bad choice for him.

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                • #53
                  Re: The Star} Who Is To Start At Point?

                  Originally posted by Jon Theodore

                  Now I don't have much confidence in his shot and I think his injuries and how he is not used to the rigorous NBA schedule have worn on him.
                  Guess what Ĺ aras doesn't like about European basketball?

                  11 psychologically difficult months without any rest with 2 hard trainings a day.

                  He said that during an interview to "Lietuvos Rytas TV" journalist at NBA All-Star weekend. It was shown 2-3 hours ago on TV3 (Lithuania).

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                  • #54
                    Re: The Star} Who Is To Start At Point?

                    This discussion is getting boring. Half of a season is more than enough.

                    Maybe we can add a third SF (with ability to start) for a change?

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                    • #55
                      Re: The Star} Who Is To Start At Point?

                      Personally I think our only glaring hole is no real killer instinct in the 4th quarter. We must be the only team in the NBA with this much playoff experience that yet struggles in the closing minutes.

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                      • #56
                        Re: The Star} Who Is To Start At Point?

                        Originally posted by Black Sox
                        I guess AJ doesn't have trouble getting the ball up the court. Well I guess he doesn't if you don't care that it takes him the full 8 seconds when pressured leaving 14 seconds by the time they actually set up. Anyone remember BOSTON?
                        I figured somebody would respond, so I left it. But nobody did.

                        I do remember Boston. They bothered AJ, but they would have destroyed Sarunas.

                        What's your point?
                        This space for rent.

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                        • #57
                          Re: The Star} Who Is To Start At Point?

                          Originally posted by Rytas_Jega
                          Guess what Ĺ aras doesn't like about European basketball?

                          11 psychologically difficult months without any rest with 2 hard trainings a day.

                          He said that during an interview to "Lietuvos Rytas TV" journalist at NBA All-Star weekend. It was shown 2-3 hours ago on TV3 (Lithuania).
                          He's publicly said that the NBA schedule is hard to get used to, so I'm not sure what this is. He appears to be talking out both sides of his mouth.
                          This space for rent.

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                          • #58
                            Re: The Star} Who Is To Start At Point?

                            Originally posted by Lithfan
                            Yes! Yes! Lets trade Jermaine!

                            Its him you are talking about, right?
                            I'm not talking about the Great One, he never talks about his teammates like that and he is the team leader, Sarunas is a rookie and he talks about them all the damn time.

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                            • #59
                              Re: The Star} Who Is To Start At Point?

                              Originally posted by Anthem
                              He's publicly said that the NBA schedule is hard to get used to, so I'm not sure what this is. He appears to be talking out both sides of his mouth.
                              Also, is he implying that the Euro schedule is tougher than the NBA schedule? Because if anything, I could see an argument being made for Saras hitting the rookie wall.

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                              • #60
                                Re: The Star} Who Is To Start At Point?

                                Originally posted by Jermaniac
                                I'm not talking about the Great One, he never talks about his teammates like that and he is the team leader, Sarunas is a rookie and he talks about them all the damn time.
                                People just don't understand my sarcasm lately.

                                All I'm saying is that your gREAT oNE has some drawbacks too. And a lot of people noticed team plays better without him. Not to mention his stupid comments. But lets not get into it.

                                Lets make an agreement. You are not accusing my Great One for nothing and I'm leaving J.O. and his maniac alone

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