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"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

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The Star} Who Is To Start At Point?

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  • #16
    Re: The Star} Who Is To Start At Point?

    Originally posted by fifo
    I wish he'll be traded.
    I'd still wait and see what happens in the rest of the season and in the playoffs before making such a bold statement.
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    • #17
      Re: The Star} Who Is To Start At Point?

      I think Saras' back injury that is RARELY talked about is affecting his play a lot. The first ten games or so as a Pacer, he was living up to the hype and that was before he was even acclimated to his surroundings.

      Now I don't have much confidence in his shot and I think his injuries and how he is not used to the rigorous NBA schedule have worn on him. I still feel like Saras will impress a lot of people his 2nd year, something he hasn't done a lot of yet.

      I think Saras will reach his peak in his third year, then get a contract he doesn't deserve from a lower tier team. But i like our chances. I still think signing Saras was a good move, better than picking up Dale Davis thats for sure.

      Keeping Stojakovic really needs to be our number one priority over EVERYTHING. If we lose Stojakovic....well I don't even want to think about that.

      Regardless, I think Saras struggles recently are relative and I don't think it's fair to evaluate him based on that. Remember the Saras when he first came here, his shot was AUTOMATIC. He will get that back...maybe not this year. Expect a different player next year is all i'm saying.
      *removed* Just keep politics and religion completely out of it, please.

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      • #18
        Re: The Star} Who Is To Start At Point?

        Originally posted by Raskolnikov
        I'd still wait and see what happens in the rest of the season and in the playoffs before making such a bold statement.
        Don't expect him to become a starter when Tins returns...
        Also don't expect A.J to stop playing when Tins returns...
        What you can expect is some kind of time sharing between the p.gs that will surely not allow Saras to hold the keys. In such a context, you just can not expect him to flourish. You know this player.

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        • #19
          Re: The Star} Who Is To Start At Point?

          Originally posted by Jon Theodore
          I still think signing Saras was a good move, better than picking up Dale Davis thats for sure.
          I don't know about that. I'd bet money that Dale Davis would start at center right now if he were here.

          And judging how he plays against us in the short time that the Pistons play him, it would be the right decision.
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          • #20
            Re: The Star} Who Is To Start At Point?

            Originally posted by Diamond Dave
            I don't know about that. I'd bet money that Dale Davis would start at center right now if he were here.

            And judging how he plays against us in the short time that the Pistons play him, it would be the right decision.
            Yeah, I can go with that.

            It means Freddy would have gotten time at the point this season, though. Unless we thought Gill would be playing extended minutes.
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            • #21
              Re: The Star} Who Is To Start At Point?

              Originally posted by Diamond Dave
              I don't know about that. I'd bet money that Dale Davis would start at center right now if he were here.

              And judging how he plays against us in the short time that the Pistons play him, it would be the right decision.
              I don't think it would've been the right decision long term. Dale would've taken Dave's PT. And Dave's a big part of the Pacers' future IMO. He needs to play.
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              • #22
                Re: The Star} Who Is To Start At Point?

                its funny how people praise a player and then he has a some bad games and all of a sudden he should be traded, i.e. jax, jones, saras.

                Saras is a better player then AJ. Tins is by far the best pg on our team when healthy.

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                • #23
                  Re: The Star} Who Is To Start At Point?

                  Originally posted by Hicks
                  And to that I can always say: As opposed to that defensive stud Jamaal Tinsley.
                  Jamaal is light years ahead of Jasuciakldsajdhsajdsabdbnasbdm in defense and all around basketball. We didnt need him before the season and we dont need him now, should have gave Dale his money. He is a so called shooter that cant shoot, and doesnt do us no good, I hope he gets mad and goes back to Europe.


                  And look at Tinsley pouting, wanting AJ to start. What a *******, this clearly proves that all he cares about is himself.

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                  • #24
                    Re: The Star} Who Is To Start At Point?

                    Originally posted by vapacersfan
                    Not even close. AJ is way better, esp. at the PG position..
                    100%

                    Saras has trouble getting the ball up the court against pressure, and is a significant dropoff defensively from Tinsley, nowhere near AJ. Perhaps he sees the court better than either, passes very well, and is a top flight shooter... but the first two negatives are too much to overcome for a NBA PG.
                    I think he's getting the minutes he should be getting. Hopefully he'll still have some trade value this offseason, because he's not the answer at PG for the Pacers.

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                    • #25
                      Re: The Star} Who Is To Start At Point?

                      Originally posted by vapacersfan
                      Not even close. AJ is way better, esp. at the PG position..
                      Damn right, AJ is our best defender at the 1, he can get in the lane and he can make the jumpshot. He is a better shooter then Sarunas too, the guy is supposed to be a shooter but he cant shoot, dont do us any good.

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                      • #26
                        Re: The Star} Who Is To Start At Point?

                        Originally posted by Anthem
                        Interesting that Tinsley and AJ both spent their time talking about the other guy. That speaks of really good chemistry.

                        Sarunas spent his time talking about himself. But that's probably an improvement over him talking about other people.
                        The guy should be gone after the season, people say Jack and Tins ruin chemistry but they are not the ones ****ting on their teammates everytime a mic is put in front of them. Like Jay said He doesnt like playing the 2, ohh thats nice. I wonder how he will like waving the towel next to Eddie Gill.

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                        • #27
                          Re: The Star} Who Is To Start At Point?

                          I hope Saras turns out for two reasons. Firstly, I want every pacer to do well. Secondly, I want him to do well so that I can believe that Bird has some eye for talent. I'm more than worried about Bird's abilities in that department.

                          As far as the comments I'd feel worse for Saras if he left out the talk.
                          "They could turn out to be only innocent mathematicians, I suppose," muttered Woevre's section officer, de Decker.

                          "'Only.'" Woevre was amused. "Someday you'll explain to me how that's possible. Seeing that, on the face of it, all mathematics leads, doesn't it, sooner or later, to some kind of human suffering."

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                          • #28
                            Re: The Star} Who Is To Start At Point?

                            I am boggled by the people who seem to have expected Saras to step into the NBA and be a superstar.

                            I like the way he plays, I like his energy and attitude. However, he still has to learn how to adapt his playing style to the teammates he has on the floor. He has to learn how to communicate effectively. His liabilities in ball handling make it difficult for him to be the primary option bringing the ball up the floor. There is little question that he has hit something of the rookie wall, which isn't just a youth thing it's an internal rhythm of the season and (in many ways) a factor of Brain Overload at having to change too many things.

                            The last few games I've seen, AJ has clearly played better than Saras. Will that continue through next year? When Tinsley comes back will he be effective in this offense or will he hurt himself again?

                            Saras has been a huge help this year simply because of our constant injury situation at Point. While his supporters somehow believe he's been cheated out of a chance to show how he can be the Second Coming, the truth is that he is a highly competent but not consistently spectacular PG.

                            Unlike some, I've never worried about a player wanting an increase in playing time, especially one projected at some point to become a starter somewhere. We also need to remember that the media chooses what to quote, and while trying to summarize an issue through quotes will usually pick the statements that support the theme they are trying to show in their article. The person in question usually actually said what was quoted, but other context and remarks can't be shown due to space.
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                            • #29
                              Re: The Star} Who Is To Start At Point?

                              Originally posted by Mushmouth
                              100%

                              Saras has trouble getting the ball up the court against pressure, and is a significant dropoff defensively from Tinsley, nowhere near AJ. Perhaps he sees the court better than either, passes very well, and is a top flight shooter... but the first two negatives are too much to overcome for a NBA PG.
                              I think he's getting the minutes he should be getting. Hopefully he'll still have some trade value this offseason, because he's not the answer at PG for the Pacers.
                              I guess AJ doesn't have trouble getting the ball up the court. Well I guess he doesn't if you don't care that it takes him the full 8 seconds when pressured leaving 14 seconds by the time they actually set up. Anyone remember BOSTON?

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                              • #30
                                Re: The Star} Who Is To Start At Point?

                                Originally posted by BillS
                                I am boggled by the people who seem to have expected Saras to step into the NBA and be a superstar.

                                I like the way he plays, I like his energy and attitude. However, he still has to learn how to adapt his playing style to the teammates he has on the floor. He has to learn how to communicate effectively. His liabilities in ball handling make it difficult for him to be the primary option bringing the ball up the floor. There is little question that he has hit something of the rookie wall, which isn't just a youth thing it's an internal rhythm of the season and (in many ways) a factor of Brain Overload at having to change too many things.

                                The last few games I've seen, AJ has clearly played better than Saras. Will that continue through next year? When Tinsley comes back will he be effective in this offense or will he hurt himself again?

                                Saras has been a huge help this year simply because of our constant injury situation at Point.

                                Unlike some, I've never worried about a player wanting an increase in playing time, especially one projected at some point to become a starter somewhere. We also need to remember that the media chooses what to quote, and while trying to summarize an issue through quotes will usually pick the statements that support the theme they are trying to show in their article. The person in question usually actually said what was quoted, but other context and remarks can't be shown due to space.
                                That was a great post and I agreed to every word, except:

                                Originally posted by BillS
                                While his supporters somehow believe he's been cheated out of a chance to show how he can be the Second Coming, the truth is that he is a highly competent but not consistently spectacular PG.
                                How can say anything about his consistency when he didn't get the chance to 'own the keys' for even a few games?

                                I know many say - you don't give the keys to a Euro-Rookie, and I can relate to that, but at the same time the same people say the guy can not hold the keys cause he's just not good enough.

                                Saras ain't no ordinary Rookie. I'm sorry, but this his is career prime-time, and the only way for him to adjust to NBA game is to play a lot and have the keys. Sure - he will make mistakes, and Indy might suffer for a few games.

                                Currently AJ is playing great ball, and I think Saras has missed the opportunity created by JT's injury.

                                I don't think he can become a team leader this year. The current roster & coach makes me think it is highly improbable for next year too. I don't think he can afford years of learning.

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