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    There are a about a half dozen teams that I've looked forward to doing a review of, the Suns are one of those teams.

    Along with the Nuggets & Kings they are one of the teams I enjoy watching, aside from the Pacers.

    For those that haven't noticed, the older threads in this series can now be found in the Forum Archive section.

    The disclaimers..........

    From NBA.com, a story on the Bobcats draft.
    http://www.nba.com/bobcats/news/expansion_draft.html

    This paragraph has the basic info.

    Charlotte will receive lists from each of the 27 teams not competing in the NBA Finals 10 days prior to the scheduled Expansion Draft (June 12) and those from the competing teams in the Finals within two days of the conclusion of the Finals. Team lists will designate a maximum of eight protected players for that teamís players under contract or restricted free agents for the 2004-05 NBA season. The unprotected players are eligible for selection by the Bobcats, who will draft a minimum of 14 players from NBA rosters.

    Free agent info from REAL GM.
    http://www.realgm.com/src_freeagents.php?year=2004

    Salary information can be found at Hoops Hype.
    http://www.hoopshype.com/salaries/phoenix.htm

    This is the current Suns roster.

    Antonio McDyess
    Shawn Marion
    Howard Eisley
    Jahidi White
    Keon Clark
    Joe Johnson
    Amare Stoudemire
    Jake Voskuhl
    Zarko Cabarkapa
    Casey Jacobsen
    Leandrinho Barbosa
    Maciej Lampe
    Donnell Harvey

    Compared to lastnights Sixers post, this will be a breeze.

    The Suns have a short roster to begin with, just 13 players. 10 are signed for next season & the 3 that are not are unrestricted free agents.

    The signed Suns for 04-05

    Shawn Marion --------- $11,326,219
    Howard Eisley ----------- $6,375,000
    Jahidi White ------------- $5,884,500
    Joe Johnson ------------- $2,358,954
    Amare Stoudemire ----- $2,032,200
    Jake Voskuhl ------------ $1,743,750
    Zarko Cabarkapa ------ $1,312,800
    Casey Jacobsen -------- $1,082,160
    Maciej Lampe -------------- $900,000
    Leandrinho Barbosa ------ $870,000

    The Phoenix free agents.

    Antonio McDyess
    Keon Clark
    Donnell Harvey

    Marion & Stoudemire might be the most familiar names on the no brainer portion of the list but Johnson, Cabarkapa, Barbosa & Lampe are sure to make it as well. That's 6 with 2 spots to fill.

    Eisley, White, Voskuhl & Jacobsen are the boarderline guys.

    Eisley has zero chance of being selected by Charlotte. He will turn 32 in December & his contract runs for at least 2 more season, starting at 6.3M next year. Plus super stud to be Milos Vujanic will be coming in next season & Mr. Eisley's services will no longer be required. Eisley will not be protected.

    White has been on the trading block for awhile now. A couple things make him attractive to other teams. He is a big man for one thing, 6-9 290. Next season he will have an expiring contract. The Suns will not protect him, hoping that the Bobcats can be bribed into taking him. They could do a lot worse. He has a career FG% of .511. This season in 14 MPG he averaging 4.3 points, 4.3 boards & shooting .524 from the field. At just 28 years old Charlotte might be interested. I know the Suns want him off their books real bad.

    Voskuhl is an improving big man with a very small contract. At 6-11 245 & making just under 1.75M next year there is no way in the world the Suns let this guy get away. Voskuhl is playing about half the game & hitting 50% of his shots, 6.6 points & 5.2 boards. Voskuhl gets the 7th spot.

    Jacobsen will be making just a little over 1M next season, there is a team option the following year. That may not be the biggest thing in his favor. His FG numbers have gone up a pretty good clip from his rookie season. From downtown he has improved from .315 to .408. Overall the increase was smaller but still not bad, .373 to .409. With super stud to be Milos Vujanic coming in next season, Barbosa will see more time at the 2 & Cabarkapa will take some time away from Jacobsen at the 3. There is still a spot on the Suns for Jacobsen & he will get the 8th spot on the protected list.

    The Phoenix Suns protected list.

    Shawn Marion
    Joe Johnson
    Amare Stoudemire
    Jake Voskuhl
    Zarko Cabarkapa
    Casey Jacobsen
    Leandrinho Barbosa
    Maciej Lampe

    Phoenix will make the following players available to Charlotte.

    Howard Eisley
    Jahidi White

    This might come down to what the Suns offer the Bobcats to take White off their hands for them, but in the end I think White gets selected.

    Here is the Charlotte Expansion Draft.

    Atlanta ------------- No Pick
    Boston ------------- C - Kedrick Perkins -------- $729,500
    Chicago ------------ No Pick
    Cleveland ---------- G - Kevin Ollie ----------- $2,704,350
    Dallas --------------- G - Tony Delk ----------- $3,150,000
    Denver -------------- F - Ryan Bowen -------- $1,400,000 (est)
    Detroit -------------- No Pick
    Golden State ------ No Pick
    Houston ------------ GF - Adrian Griffin ---------- $807,546
    Indiana ------------- C - Primoz Brezec ------- $1,554,326
    L.A. Clippers ------- F - Melvin Ely ------------- $1,742,400
    L.A. Lakers --------- No Pick
    Memphis ------------ GF - Dahntay Jones ----- $1,143,360
    Miami ---------------- No Pick
    Milwaukee ----------- F Marcus Haislip -------- $1,655,280

    Minnesota ----------- No Pick
    New Jersey --------- C Alanzo Mourning ----- $5,408,700
    New Orleans -------- No Pick
    New York ------------ No Pick
    Orlando --------------G Reese Gaines ----------- $1,212,200
    Philadelphia --------- No Pick
    Phoenix -------------- C Jahidi White ------------- $5,884,500

    Total payroll $27,392, 192
    The 4th pick in the 2004 draft (Charlottes pick) is slotted to make roughly $2,523,200. I have yet to add it in, but I do want to keep it in mind.

    After I add in the salary for the #4 pick the Bobcats have a projected payroll of $29,915,392

    It's beginning to look like I might have to backtrack & remove a player or two.

    Charlotte's payroll next season will be 2/3's of the salary cap. If the cap is 45M then the Bobcats will have about 30M for players.

    Links to previous threads in this series.

    Atlanta ------ http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=996
    Boston ------ http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1038
    Chicago ----- http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1083
    Cleveland -- http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1122
    Dallas ------- http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1162
    Denver ------ http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1216
    Detroit ------ http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1251
    Golden St. -- http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1318
    Houston ---- http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1355
    Indiana ----- http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1427
    LA Clippers - http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1493
    LA Lakers --- http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1543
    Memphis ---- http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1615
    Miami ----- -- http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1681
    Milwaukee -- http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1719
    Minnesota --- http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1743
    New Jersey - http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1798
    New Orleans http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1939
    New York --- http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1953
    Orlando ----- http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1978
    Philadelphia - http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2018

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    [quote="Jose Slaughter"] It's beginning to look like I might have to backtrack & remove a player or two.

    No you won't. Besides you can't, Charlotte has to chose 14 players and you have only chosen 12 so you have to choose 2 more.

    Your forgetting it's the Bobcats roster after cuts that has to be 30 million.

    They can take up to 29 players if they want making 100 million. They would still have to pay the other 70 million.

    Good job on the Suns!

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    I understand that but I don't see Charlotte going over by too much.

    I figured the salary part after I picked White. I almost went back & changed it, thats nearly 6M for just one guy & he is not a big name star type player.

    Adding White would greatly reduce Charlotte's flexability to sign free agents as well.

    After I complete all 29 teams I'll need to re-visit the selection of White & maybe Mourning, depending on how the final 7 teams play out.

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    I figured the salary part after I picked White. I almost went back & changed it, thats nearly 6M for just one guy & he is not a big name star type player.
    That's why I keep preaching that the Pacers will protect Brezac and not Reggie. Yes Reggies a big name star, but he's 38 years old and will make $6 million dollars. Plus he has an option year.

    Now I wouldn't put Reggie out there, but James Jones fits what the Bobcats are looking for. Young, potential, and a cheap contract.

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    30 mil is the cap, not the LT, right?

    Charlotte's LT number is the same as everyone else's?
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    I'll disagree here. I don't think that the Suns will expose White. Big man with an ending contract???? That's all but pure gold for trade purposes.

    I don't have any real reason as to why but I think they will expose Leandrinho Barbosa instead.

    Which I don't believe the Bobcats will take. Eisley is to expensive & in my scenario I already have other p.g.'s.

    So my prediction is no pick from the Suns.


    Atlanta - no pick
    Boston - Jumaine Jones $ 1,687,500
    Chicago - Chris Jeffries $ 899,040
    Cleveland - Kedrick Brown $ 2,332,388
    Dallas - Tony Delk $ 3,150,00
    Denver - no pick
    Detroit - no pick
    Golden State - Popeye Jones
    Houston - no pick
    Indiana - Primoz Brezec $1,554,326
    L.A. Clips - Melvin Ely $ 1,742,400
    L.A. Lakers - Devan George $ 4,500,000
    Memphis - no pick (trade)
    Miami - no pick
    Milwaukee - Marcus Haislip $1,655,280
    Minnesota - no pick.
    New Jersey - no pick
    New Orleans - no pick
    New York - Frank Williams $957,480
    Orlando - DeShawn Stevenson
    Philidelphia - Kyle Korver
    Pheonix - no pick


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    30 mil is the cap, not the LT, right?

    Charlotte's LT number is the same as everyone else's?
    I read Charlotte won't be counted against the Luxury tax, but I don't remember if it's just the first year or if it's the second year also.

    The LT doesn't really matter though if they can't exceed their $30 million cap.

    Well they can exceed their cap in signing restricted free agents, but even then I think there are only 6 to 8 restricted free agents in the whole NBA and it would probably take all of them to make Charlotte exceed the LT. That won't happen!

    EDIT; I looked it up. I was wrong again. there's 15 restricted free agents.

    Joel Przybilla Atlanta Restricted Free Agent
    Chris Mihm Boston Restricted Free Agent
    Jamal Crawford Chicago Restricted Free Agent
    Marcus Fizer Chicago Restricted Free Agent
    Keyon Dooling L.A. Clippers Restricted Free Agent
    Quentin Richardson L.A. Clippers Restricted Free Agent
    Stromile Swift Memphis Restricted Free Agent
    Jake Tsakalidis Memphis Restricted Free Agent
    Kenyon Martin New Jersey Restricted Free Agent
    Courtney Alexander New Orleans Restricted Free Agent
    DeShawn Stevenson Orlando Restricted Free Agent
    Darius Miles Portland Restricted Free Agent
    Hidayet Turkoglu San Antonio Restricted Free Agent
    Morris Peterson Toronto Restricted Free Agent
    Etan Thomas Washington Restricted Free Agent

    My thinking now is that if any of these guys are left unprotected Charlotte will snatch up them regardless of the fact that selecting them makes them free agents.

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    I'll disagree here. I don't think that the Suns will expose White. Big man with an ending contract???? That's all but pure gold for trade purposes.

    I don't have any real reason as to why but I think they will expose Leandrinho Barbosa instead.
    i think phoenix will be all too happy if bobcats take white, valuable in trades or not. losing white's contract means that they will have cap space to throw the max at kobe, or even nash if rumors are correct.

    barbosa is an intriguing player - if he gets exposed i think charlotte will pick him over other pgs.

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    THIS IS A BUMMER!

    I was looking forward to seeing who teams protected and who they didn't. It turns out we are not going to see a comprehensive list, just the teams lists that get leaked.

    http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2061

    Q: Why has the league not made the unprotected list (for the expansion draft) public in the past?

    Granik: The sense has always been that teams put players on the unprotected list for a variety of reasons, not necessarily because they want to get rid of them. The feeling is that in the end if the player is not going to be moved, then what is the benefit to the player or the game to have his name thrown out there. In terms of a team that is going to keep that player, if itís not out there publicly thatís probably a good thing. In the end, of course, it does tend to leak, but the sense has always been that we should not be the source putting it out there.


    Q: If this information is going to come out anyway wouldnít it just be easier to come out and say it?


    Granik: Itís the same thing with player salaries, we donít publicize those because we donít think that is the right thing we should be doing. In the end somebody always gets the reports and you all have it, but it doesnít seem like the appropriate thing for us to do. If it happens, it happens.

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    I really want to go "No Pick" here because I agree that Eisley and White are left unprotected but... White is a more attactive option than either Campbell (or Ervin Johnson) in my mind so I could see him taken over either one of those "last year of contract centers". Possibly get a pick out of PHX as well.

    Atlanta - No Pick
    Boston - Kedrick Perkins - $729,500
    Chicago - No Pick _or_ Eddie Robinson + Draft Pick - $6,767,540 + Pick or $0
    Cleveland - No Pick
    Dallas - Tony Delk - $3,150,000
    Denver - No Pick
    Detroit - No Pick _or_ Campbell (in hopes of getting talent for this expiring contract at the deadline) - $4,400,000 or $0
    Golden State - No Pick
    Houston - Adrian Griffin - $807,546
    Indiana - Primoz Brezec - $1,554,326
    LA Clippers - Melvin Ely - $1,742,400
    LA Lakers - No Pick
    Memphis - Theron Smith - $620,046
    Miami - No Pick
    Milwaukee - Marcus Haislip $1,655,280
    Minnesota - No Pick
    New Jersey - No Pick
    New Orleans - No Pick
    New York - Moochie Norris - $3,850,000
    Orlando - No Pick
    Philadelphia - No Pick
    Phoenix - No Pick or Jahidi White (in place of Campbell) $5,884,500

    $25,276,638 if they take both Robinson and Campbell. Draft pick from Chicago will add to that though too.

    $26,761,138 if they take Robinson and White. Draft pick(s) adds.

    $14,109,098 if they take none of the above

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