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    Default Of Peja and Granger, a logjam at SF?

    I've hinted at this in a few thread, but it hasn't turned into the discussion I'm looking for.

    Many of us, at the January forum party, thought that any reduction in Granger's minutes/ role would be a very bad thing. At that time, we did not envision the Pacers trading for another SF.

    Obviously, Stephen Jackson's popularity around here is at an all-time low.

    I don't think Granger can play SG reguarly, and I also don't think he can play PF reguarly. He's a prototype SF.

    My question...

    Does anybody think Peja can play SG?

    I know he's tall and slow. We've also got "short and fast" on the roster, and he struggles defensively against normal sized SGs, especially against off-the-ball screens.

    If Peja can't play SG, then I don't want to re-sign him and I don't want him taking SF minutes away from Granger.

    But I think Peja *can* play SG for the Pacers.

    Your thoughts?
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    Pedja is very capable of playing SG. He did it for Serbian NT for years.

    He would have problems guarding opponents SGs

    He is not the greatest ball handler either
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    Default Re: Of Peja and Granger, a longjam at SF?

    If you want Kobe to break Wilt's record against us, than by all means, lets start Peja at SG.

    Seriously, Peja is best at SF. I would like to see Danny play PF only if Saras or Tinsley are at PG. I think hes capable of it, seeing as he has Shawn Marion/Andrei Kirilenko type skills.
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    Default Re: Of Peja and Granger, a longjam at SF?

    Why not Reggie played SG for the PAcers for 18 years. Peja is a lot like Reg in the way he plays. He may not be the leader or the clutch player the Reggie was, but I think DG is the star of the future anyways. Peja's only real difference is that he is three inches taller than Reg. I also think Peja can play in the post a lot more like Jack does at the two.

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    I think it depends on who are big men are and who well they can cover for the times when Peja gets beat.

    If we can't put together a team that we believe can compete for a championship I'd rather let Peja go and develop Granger. Between Granger developing and Peja aging in a couple years there won't be a question who the better SF is.
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    I don't think Peja or Danny can play shooting guard. And I don't think Peja or Danny can play PF. But I think you can put them both on the floor and not have any problems. If that makes any sense.

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    Oh yeah DG can just guard the best perimeter offensive player of the opponent so Peja would not guard the Kobes or T-Macs of the world.

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    Playing SG doesn't mean you have to play SG offensively and defensively. Look at Tayshaun Prince. He plays SF for the Pistons but he frequently guards SGs like Kobe. Danny can do the same. He certainly has the Speed.

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    I think that Peja and Danny can play together if and only if Danny is able to guard whomever is the biggest offensive threat on the opposing team at either the SG of SF positions.

    I'm not sure whether that makes Danny the SG, or Peja.

    I am 100% sure that I want no part of Peja consistently guarding outstanding Sgs like Pierce, Wade, Kobe, Ben Gordon, Vince Carter, Rip Hamilton etc.

    I see no reason so far that Danny can't cover these guys as well as Jax or anybody else on our roster. Granted we don't have a lot to go on yet. Danny did a pretty good job on LeBron IMO.

    If the choice for 2/3 are

    1) Danny + Peja
    2) Danny & Jax
    3) Jax & Peja

    then I prefer choice 1. Choosing between choices 2 & 3 is difficult. Frankly I'd prefer Fred/Danny or Fred/Peja before I would put Jackson on the floor.

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    ^^^Hammer meat head of nail. Head of nail meet hammer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by btowncolt
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    I don't think Peja or Danny can play shooting guard. And I don't think Peja or Danny can play PF. But I think you can put them both on the floor and not have any problems. If that makes any sense.
    Correct... who says you heve to have-
    1- PG
    1- SG
    1- SF
    1- PF
    1- C

    on the court at the same time... think outside the box or look at the PHX Suns... As long as you have a team on the floor that gels nicely and works well together; who says the players have to fit into the phototype positions... is there some sort of basketball rule for it? Some of you sure make it sound like it...

    I guess I can just care less for the titles of PG/SG/SF/PF/C... Just put 5 players out there that player well together and is affective against the other team...
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    Playing SG doesn't mean you have to play SG offensively and defensively. Look at Tayshaun Prince. He plays SF for the Pistons but he frequently guards SGs like Kobe. Danny can do the same. He certainly has the Speed.
    Exactly... Peja would run the 2 guard plays offensively and DG the 3. That would also help keep Danny close to the bucket for offensive board work.


    Jackson can then be the fecal point of the 2nd unit. Then we don't have to be dependent on his inconsistancy to start off games, and it may take some scoring pressure off him so he can relax a little and just ball .

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    Jackson can then be the fecal point of the 2nd unit.
    He's the fecal point of any offense.

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    Exactly... Peja would run the 2 guard plays offensively and DG the 3. That would also help keep Danny close to the bucket for offensive board work.


    Jackson can then be the fecal point of the 2nd unit. Then we don't have to be dependent on his inconsistancy to start off games, and it may take some scoring pressure off him so he can relax a little and just ball .
    IDK if this was intentional, but regardless it was hilarious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pacertom
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    I am 100% sure that I want no part of Peja consistently guarding outstanding Sgs like Pierce, Wade, Kobe, Ben Gordon, Vince Carter, Rip Hamilton etc.
    Well, we don't really have anybody on our roster that we want to keep that can guard those guys. Well, Fred isn't bad against Wade, but he can't really guard the rest of those guys, either.

    + + + + + + + +

    So what I hear from some of you is that, assuming SJax is out...

    PG - Tinsley or Saras. (I don't care anymore)
    SG/SF - Peja and Granger
    PF/C - JO and Harrison

    Backup G - Fred Jones
    Backup Swingman - TBD
    Backup bigman - Croshere or Foster

    Yeah, that's not a bad start.
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    No way can Peja play shooting guard. No way.

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    He's the fecal point of any offense.
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    No way can Peja play shooting guard. No way.
    Care to explain?
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    No way can Peja play shooting guard. No way.
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    I don't see a logjam problem. The solution is to do the same thing we did with Ron/JO/Harrington. Only this time it will be Peja/Croshere/Granger (in no particular order). Granger can easily come off the bench and be a 30 minute 6th man without much difficulty.

    The difficulty will be in the coaching and the team adjusting to the different styles of play.

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    IDK if this was intentional, but regardless it was hilarious.

    It was accidental ..... but I left it there because it seemed appropriate.

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    Uncle Buck, do you think Danny Granger can adequately guard any opposing shooting guards?

    Is so, then the Peja/Granger SG/SF merry-go-round is just like the Foster/Jermaine PF/C issue- just semantics.

    I like to thing also of the advantages it would bring. I would like to see Wade or Pierce guard Granger or Peja.

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    I think Danny does fine at PF, but I like him best at SF. I also have confidence that if assigned to a SG, he'd find a way to stay in front of him with his brain and his length and his skills.

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    In time, I could see Danny smothering PGs like the way Pippen used to smother Mark Jackson.
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    Danny has guarded Kobe and LeBron fairly well in limited action. I don't see why Peja and Danny paired together wouldn't work. It would work -really- well if we had a somewhat decent PG. We really need one.
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    If Peja can't play SG, then I don't want to re-sign him and I don't want him taking SF minutes away from Granger.

    But I think Peja *can* play SG for the Pacers.
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