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    Default Orlando & the Expansion draft

    For those that haven't noticed, the older threads in this series can now be found in the Forum Archive section.

    The disclaimers..........

    From NBA.com, a story on the Bobcats draft.
    http://www.nba.com/bobcats/news/expansion_draft.html

    This paragraph has the basic info.

    Charlotte will receive lists from each of the 27 teams not competing in the NBA Finals 10 days prior to the scheduled Expansion Draft (June 12) and those from the competing teams in the Finals within two days of the conclusion of the Finals. Team lists will designate a maximum of eight protected players for that teamís players under contract or restricted free agents for the 2004-05 NBA season. The unprotected players are eligible for selection by the Bobcats, who will draft a minimum of 14 players from NBA rosters.

    Free agent info from REAL GM.
    http://www.realgm.com/src_freeagents.php?year=2004

    Salary information can be found at Hoops Hype.
    http://www.hoopshype.com/salaries/orlando.htm

    Here is Orlando's current roster.

    Grant Hill
    Tracy McGrady
    Juwan Howard
    Drew Gooden
    Pat Garrity
    Andrew DeClercq
    DeShawn Stevenson
    Tyronn Lue
    Steven Hunter
    Reece Gaines
    Sean Rooks
    Zaza Pachulia
    Keith Bogans
    Britton Johnsen

    The Magic have a full roster of 15 players. 10 are under contract for next season & of the 5 free agents, 1 is restricted.

    These Magic players are signed for 04-05

    Grant Hill ------------ $14,487,000
    Tracy McGrady ----- $14,487,000
    Juwan Howard ------ $5,408,700
    Drew Gooden -------- $3,214,080
    Pat Garrity ------------ Not Listed
    Andrew DeClercq --- $2,765,812
    Tyronn Lue ---------- $1,650,000
    Reece Gaines ------- $1,212,200
    Zaza Pachulia --------- $620,046
    Keith Bogans ---------- $620,046

    Restricted free agent.

    DeShawn Stevenson

    Free agents.

    Steven Hunter
    Sean Rooks
    Britton Johnsen
    Derrick Dial

    There are going to be a lot of changes in Orlando this coming off season. That happened last summer too, but the Magic suffered a couple key injuries & never developed team chemistry. That will make projecting a protected list somewhat challenging.

    McGrady, Howard, Gooden, Garrity, Pachulia & Bogans get the first 6 spots.

    Hill, DeClercq, Lue, Gaines, & Stevenson are possibilities for the final 2 spots.

    Hill would be to the Bobcats what Bird is here but his salary is about half of what Charlotte can spend next season & his health is still a big question mark. I know the Magic would love to see the Bobcats take him but it won't happen.

    DeClercq is a solid backup but has been ask to start far too offen this season. He will be in the final year of his deal next season so he will hold an increased trade value. DeClercq might not finish next season with Orlando, he might not even be there opening night, but he will make the protected list. DeClercq is #7

    Lue is in the same situation as DeClercq. He is in the final year of his deal with a reasonable salary of 1.65M. He also has been called upon to start & play more than he should. Charlotte would be happy to add him to it's roster but I think the Magic will keep him around. He will do better when his minutes are cut back & Orlando revamps their roster next season. Lue finished out the protected list at #8.

    Just to comment on the last 2 guys: Gaines & Stevenson

    Gaines was just a flat out mistake. He might turn out to be a good player down the road but he fell into a situation that could not have been worse for him. Plus with a new guy in the front office they will want to purge the mistakes of Gabriel. Gaines has no chance.

    Stevenson was traded for, for 2 reasons. 1. Orlando didn't want to pay Gordan Giricek when his contract comes up this summer & they got a 2nd round draft pick outta the deal. Stevenson has a career shooting % of .411, he isn't even shootinng that well in his games in Orlando. They even tried playing him a little at point. His assist to turnover numbers are almost sad, 92 assist to 80 turnovers in his time with the Magic. If the Bobcats don't select him, he won't be back with Orlando.

    Here is the Magic protected list.

    Tracy McGrady
    Juwan Howard
    Drew Gooden
    Pat Garrity
    Andrew DeClercq
    Tyronn Lue
    Zaza Pachulia
    Keith Bogans

    These are the players Charlotte will get to select from.

    Grant Hill
    Reese Gaines
    DeShawn Stevenson

    I think the Bobcats will take a shot at Reese Gaines.

    Here is the Charlotte Expansion Draft.

    Atlanta ------------- No Pick
    Boston ------------- C - Kedrick Perkins -------- $729,500
    Chicago ------------ No Pick
    Cleveland ---------- G - Kevin Ollie ----------- $2,704,350
    Dallas --------------- G - Tony Delk ----------- $3,150,000
    Denver -------------- F - Ryan Bowen -------- $1,400,000 (est)
    Detroit -------------- No Pick
    Golden State ------ No Pick
    Houston ------------ GF - Adrian Griffin ---------- $807,546
    Indiana ------------- C - Primoz Brezec ------- $1,554,326
    L.A. Clippers ------- F - Melvin Ely ------------- $1,742,400
    L.A. Lakers --------- No Pick
    Memphis ------------ GF - Dahntay Jones ----- $1,143,360
    Miami ---------------- No Pick
    Milwaukee ----------- F Marcus Haislip -------- $1,655,280
    Minnesota ----------- No Pick
    New Jersey --------- C- Alanzo Mourning ----- $5,408,700
    New Orleans -------- No Pick
    New York ------------ No Pick
    Orlando --------------G Reese Gaines ----------- $1,212,200

    Total payroll $21,507,692
    The 4th pick in the 2004 draft (Charlottes pick) is slotted to make roughly $2,523,200. I have yet to add it in, but I do want to keep it in mind.

    Charlotte's payroll next season will be 2/3's of the salary cap. If the cap is 45M then the Bobcats will have about 30M for players.

    Links to previous threads in this series.

    Atlanta ------ http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=996
    Boston ------ http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1038
    Chicago ----- http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1083
    Cleveland -- http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1122
    Dallas ------- http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1162
    Denver ------ http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1216
    Detroit ------ http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1251
    Golden St. -- http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1318
    Houston ---- http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1355
    Indiana ----- http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1427
    LA Clippers - http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1493
    LA Lakers --- http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1543
    Memphis ---- http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1615
    Miami ----- -- http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1681
    Milwaukee -- http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1719
    Minnesota --- http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1743
    New Jersey - http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1798
    New Orleans http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1939
    New York --- http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1953

    Next up, Philadelphia

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    I agree with your pick! However, basically I'm waiting until you've finished to make my picks.

    Only nine more to go. Ever wish you hadn't started this? <grin>

    Whatever, it's appriciated!

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    It would be interesting to take a gamble on Grant Hill. He may never play another day in his life, but if so, his contract comes off the books almost immediately. If he ever does get that ankle back together, he'd be an excellent ambassador for a young team. I wouldn't do it if I was the bobcats, but if Orlando threw in this year's pick...
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    It would be interesting to take a gamble on Grant Hill. He may never play another day in his life, but if so, his contract comes off the books almost immediately. If he ever does get that ankle back together, he'd be an excellent ambassador for a young team. I wouldn't do it if I was the bobcats, but if Orlando threw in this year's pick...
    Grant makes 15 million, half of Charlotte's cap. Other than McGrady it doesn't matter what Orlando offer's them they won't bite.

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    Actually I've always been kind of fond of Stevensons game. I like his ability to penetrate plus he is still very young & IMO worth the risk. If he is exposed, which I'm not sure about the whole free agent thing, then I think it would be worth the Bobcats taking him.

    So my prediction is Stevenson.

    Atlanta - no pick
    Boston - Jumaine Jones $ 1,687,500
    Chicago - Chris Jeffries $ 899,040
    Cleveland - Kedrick Brown $ 2,332,388
    Dallas - Tony Delk $ 3,150,00
    Denver - no pick
    Detroit - no pick
    Golden State - Popeye Jones
    Houston - no pick
    Indiana - Primoz Brezac $1,554,326
    L.A. Clips - Melvin Ely $ 1,742,400
    L.A. Lakers - Devan George $ 4,500,000
    Memphis - no pick (trade)
    Miami - no pick
    Milwaukee - Marcus Haislip $1,655,280
    Minnesota - no pick.
    New Jersey - no pick
    New Orleans - no pick
    New York - Frank Williams $957,480
    Orlando - DeShawn Stevenson


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    Only nine more to go. Ever wish you hadn't started this? <grin>

    Whatever, it's appriciated!
    Actually, no.

    I look forward to getting the kid in bed & logging on to do the next one. I'm having a good time with these.

    & thanks for the kind words.

    Looks like you put the kiss of death on Chill.

    Thanks for that too.

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    Actually I've always been kind of fond of Stevensons game. I like his ability to penetrate plus he is still very young & IMO worth the risk. If he is exposed, which I'm not sure about the whole free agent thing, then I think it would be worth the Bobcats taking him.

    So my prediction is Stevenson.
    You could be right! In fact now that I think about it maybe/probably/perhaps you are right.

    Why I say that is the Bobcats can go over their cap in picking a restricted free agent. The problem is he then becomes a free agent able to negotiate with everyone but Orlando.

    Still by picking him it gives the Bobcats a bit more salary room. According to Patrica's site Stevenson is in a 4 year rookie contract that pays him a total of $4,286,807. Hence he's probably making about a million dollars a year. The way I read it the Bobcats salary cap is $30 million. That means their other players salaries can add up to $29,999,999, but they can still pick him because they can go over the cap for restricted free agents.

    The thing I wonder about is, if the Bobcats do take a restricted free agent, thus making him a free agent, what happens to his contract?

    Say the restricted free agent was due $4 million in the final year of his contract, you can't just cancel it. someone has to pay it. Yet he is free to negotiate with other teams.

    I know the Bobcats have to pay the salary's of all the players they pick even if they cut them. But what happens if the restricted free agent wants to sign with a team that can only pay him 2 million? Who pays the other two million?

    In a case like this I see several options. One, the Bobcats would have to pay the difference. Two, he already has a contract his new team has to assume it. Three, and what I think will apply, he's a free agent, he can either play for the Bobcats for the $4 million or he can sign with another team for whatever he wants. However, if he signs with a new team the Bobcats own him nothing.

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    Only nine more to go. Ever wish you hadn't started this? <grin>

    Whatever, it's appriciated!
    Actually, no.

    I look forward to getting the kid in bed & logging on to do the next one. I'm having a good time with these.

    & thanks for the kind words.

    Looks like you put the kiss of death on Chill.

    Thanks for that too.

    How is it the kiss of death since I picked you both to make it to the finals?

    For those who don't understand. Jose, Chill, and I are in the same fantasy keeper league. Right now Jose and Chill are playing for the league championship. In the finals I picked Chill to win 4 games to 3.

    Anyway, you're welcome!

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    I was going to add this update to the Chicago thread but it's locked.

    http://chicagosports.chicagotribune....,1337473.story

    Protection plan

    Teams are allowed to protect up to eight players for the June 22 expansion draft to stock Charlotte. Early indications are the Bulls will protect Curry, Hinrich, Jamal Crawford, Tyson Chandler, Jannero Pargo, Paul Shirley, Marcus Fizer and possibly Scottie Pippen, out of respect. Fizer probably won't receive a qualifying offer, but the Bulls might protect him for the slim chance they can include him in a sign-and-trade scenario. If Linton Johnson and Ronald Dupree need to be protected, which is unclear at this point because of questions on their free-agency status, the list could change.

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    The thing I wonder about is, if the Bobcats do take a restricted free agent, thus making him a free agent, what happens to his contract?

    Say the restricted free agent was due $4 million in the final year of his contract, you can't just cancel it. someone has to pay it. Yet he is free to negotiate with other teams.
    by definition, if a player is a restricted free agent (or any other kind of free agent), then he doesn't have a contract next season. the original team can give a one-year "qualifying offer", which basically says that the team is going to exercise their restricted rights. if the player doesn't get better offers, he can always accept the qualifying offer.

    patricia's site must be wrong, that happens sometimes. or maybe she listed the qualifying offer.

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    I agree that Gaines and Stevenson will be left unprotected. I don't know about Hill. I don't think Charlotte takes anyone from Orlando though unless they possibly leave Garrity or DeClerq unprotected.

    Atlanta - No Pick
    Boston - Kedrick Perkins - $729,500
    Chicago - No Pick _or_ Eddie Robinson + Draft Pick - $6,767,540 + Pick or $0
    Cleveland - No Pick
    Dallas - Tony Delk - $3,150,000
    Denver - No Pick
    Detroit - No Pick _or_ Campbell (in hopes of getting talent for this expiring contract at the deadline) - $4,400,000 or $0
    Golden State - No Pick
    Houston - Adrian Griffin - $807,546
    Indiana - Primoz Brezec - $1,554,326
    LA Clippers - Melvin Ely - $1,742,400
    LA Lakers - No Pick
    Memphis - Theron Smith - $620,046
    Miami - No Pick
    Milwaukee - Marcus Haislip $1,655,280
    Minnesota - No Pick
    New Jersey - No Pick
    New Orleans - No Pick
    New York - Moochie Norris - $3,850,000
    Orlando - No Pick

    $25,276,638 if they take both Robinson and Campbell. Draft pick from Chicago will add to that though too.
    $14,109,098 if they take neither of the above

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