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    Found this on the RATS board, interesting stuff if there is any truth to it-
    http://www2.indystar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=137003

    From Pacer35

    "I talked to an associate of mine who works for the Pacer Orgainization yesterday. I debated on putting this on the message board from then to now as I'm not really sure what to make of it. The associate of mine has been with the Pacers for over 25 years and is not a vendor or a rent a worker he actually on the Pacers payroll.

    To make a long story as short as possible, there were multiple player meetings in the upper offices at Conseco. Why is this important? Because the associate who told me said that that is the first time players were going up to talk to "suits" other than just Donnie and Larry or whomever was in charge of player personel. I do know that Jermaine was in these meetings (could have been to discuss the groin tear) and David Harrison for sure. The rest off the players I will not name because I'm not really sure if thats right. (to name them at this time).

    My associate also said that there was a margin of urgency that he could see and feel about the upper offices as there were many "suits" that he had never seen there before today. Some he was sure were lawyers, and maybe a couple of player and/or managment agents.

    My friend also was under the impression thatthe dealing isn't over yet for the Pacers. The only player he said that had a margin of security was Tinsley because of him being BYC. His value is in the summer to be moved.

    These are just speculation of rumblings that have been heard throughout the Pacer empire...That the pacers and the nuggets are tryig to hook up for a Stephen Jackson & Antony Johnson going for Andre Miller & a draft pick.

    One other rumbling was Scott Pollard & Fred Jones going to the Lakers for Devon George, Aaron McKie and Brian Cook.

    Mind you that these are just things being passed around, and I'm trying to be very serious here and not punk anyone. I'm not saying that this is what is happining, I'm just saying these are items being thrown around."

    *ADDED THE REST OF PACER35'S POSTS*
    "Man, I'm just like Ron-Ron, Bi-Polar...........

    The thing about all of this is that players have never come up to the main offices or conference rooms for meetings. There was also some dicussion about the Bender retirement thing moving forward, as his contract, much like Terrell Brandons could be added to any deal as a sweetner. Thats a 7 million dollar sweetner.

    The other thing is that how can you not make other moves to show Peja that the Franchise wants hime here. I also was told that the european movement is a carefully planned construction. The Pacer brass (namely Bird) wants players who understand the fundamentals. Pass-Defend & shoot and not crossover, crossover and throw the ball away or gamble for steals as your defense.

    One other thing, DOnnie is still running the show. He has to sign off on any deal. Larry Bird still really has no clue as to what he really is supposed to be doing. His opinion and contacts is all the PAcers are requiring from him....he has no idea of how to negotiate with other GM's throughout the league.

    I forgot to add one more trade rumbling that the Pacers are trying very hard to obtain Mickael Pietrus from Golden State for Fred Jones...again this is heresay, but would work according to the CBA.

    I will be calling my friend early next week to find out if anything else is about to happen, if it already hasn't."

    "Tinsley isn't going anywhere until this summer as the Pacers can only get back half of his salary since he's BYC. I also know that the Pacers for whatever reason do not want David Wesley or Moochie Norris regardless of their contarct status.

    I also do know that the Rick Carlise stepping down has not even been a topic for discussion. The Pacers want Rick long term...and feel like he is going to be the coach for a number of years. If anything look for one of the assistants to step down or away.

    Stephen Jackson is happy being with the Pacers, but is having a problem with Ricks system, actually the same problem that Ron-Ron was having. But that is yesterdays news as the offense I do know for a fact is being revamped or is going back to what we ran when Reggie was still here.

    Finally If any of you have paid any attention to the job Donnie has done around here for the last 20 years do you actually think he will walk away from the franchise in the "shape" that its in right now......Things and moves are going to happen, we might just have to wait to right after the All star break when the GMs are meeting.

    Say what you will, changes are coming and we will all be VERY happy with them, and yes, maybe I do know something that I can't tell...."

    "In all fairness to Harrison, heres a big "kid" who is trying to compete with men. Yes, he's a little soft when it comes to knowing positon and a little over zealous when it comes to guarding someone.

    But he is 7' and 285lbs and thats not something you can teach. What the PAcers will be doing in the off season is the same thing thatthey did with Rik Smits. They will send HArrison to the "over rated" big mans camp and then bring in Bill Walton to work with this kid on his positioning and passing skills. The kid can score, he just needs to refine his all around game.

    Before the end of the season the light will come on in Grangers head, and he won't be getting these crazy ticky tack fouls and busted in the mouth everytime he turns around. This kid is a rare talent, he just needs seasoning.

    One other thing about trading the stars...

    Wilt was traded.......
    Kareem was traded.........
    Shaq was traded
    Barkley was traded........
    Pippen was traded........
    Drexler was traded.........

    Michael and the Mailman didn't finish their careers with the teams that drafted them...

    ANYONE CAN BE TRADED no matter what owners say!

    Garnett will get tired sooner or later, my bet is sooner. Wouldn't you like to see a Garnett for Jermaine and a player to be named later."

    "I don't think the meetings were of trade nature, that would be one on one with agents in hand in Donnies office.

    I do think that players were brought in to talk about "things", to get a happier, hands on approach with the indiviual you might say.

    Larry is always there, he's constantly asking Donnie, do you take sweet in low in this? Who should cater this? And the most important...Did you pay the valet in the corporate restroom?

    To which Donnie replies... "What Valet"?

    There are issues on this team that have not been brought up and I think that this is a way to get it out in the open and move past it. Ron kind of did leave this team split on a lot of different fronts. Where on the court Ron would make certain players look really good and keepers (as long as Ron was here), now you have to look at moving them....did someone say Tinsley??? no, that wasn't me...."

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    Stephen Jackson & Antony Johnson going for Andre Miller & a draft pick.
    YES!

    Scott Pollard & Fred Jones going to the Lakers for Devon George, Aaron McKie and Brian Cook.
    NO!

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    Yes that is interesting. I thought someone has mentioned in the past that Pacer35 is Da Smash from the old RATS core. If that's right then what is posted is not BS. Smash knew some people on the inside.....
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    Andre Miller and draft pick sounds good but I don't want Cook, George and McKie.

    If we get Miller then we'll have Tinsley, Miller, Jasikevicious (sp?) and Gill at PG

    If we do these trades and Tinsley goes up on the block this summer then we should be trading him for a SG if at all possible.

    Does McKie have an expiring contract because no way we see him as our starter at SG. We're losing our starting and backup SG and only getting McKie at the position. I think we all know what the Pacers need in the draft if those deals occur.

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    Yes to Miller/Draft Pick

    No to the Lakers deal.

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    The ONLY problem with the Nuggets trade would be that we'd have a serious problem at the 2/3 spots. We'd have Peja, Danger, and Freddie. That's it. I really don't want to see Runi at the 2 again.

    If we keep Fred and make a move for another SG or SF (preferrably SG), we should be okay.

    This is it, folks. Time to rebuild.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBones19
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    Found this on the RATS board, interesting stuff if there is any truth to it-
    http://www2.indystar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=137003

    From Pacer35

    ... I do know that Jermaine was in these meetings (could have been to discuss the groin tear) and David Harrison for sure. The rest off the players I will not name because I'm not really sure if thats right. (to name them at this time)....

    -J
    So he can name JO and Harrison, but isn't sure if it is right to name the others? That doesn't make sense to me. What am I missing?

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    Yes that is interesting. I thought someone has mentioned in the past that Pacer35 is Da Smash from the old RATS core. If that's right then what is posted is not BS. Smash knew some people on the inside.....

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    So he can name JO and Harrison, but isn't sure if it is right to name the others? That doesn't make sense to me. What am I missing?
    JO was just due to his injury (no way he's being traded) and Harrison is well liked it seems by management so I wouldn't think he's on the trading block either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom White
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    So he can name JO and Harrison, but isn't sure if it is right to name the others? That doesn't make sense to me. What am I missing?
    Yeah...that's wierd.....JO ( just like Tinsley ) I can see is okay to name simply cuz I think he's unmoveable for the foreseeable near future ( meaning after this season is done ).

    But to name Harrison and not anyone else?

    I would think that it would make sense to not name Harrison at all.
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    I'm assuming the Denver pick is first round? Given they're doing pretty well and will get the 3rd seed in the west if they stay in that order, their first round pick will be pretty low. Probably lower than our pick. Still, 2 first rounders are always useful.

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    The Denver trade would be great.

    If the organization is convinced that Fred Jones will walk, I don't see the harm in the Laker trade either, at least from the perspective of next year. I'm in next year mode already.

    2 years of Brian Cook (a servicable young backup PF) at a cheap price and one year of the perpetually injured McKie (can be be bought out?) is better than nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pacertom
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    The Denver trade would be great.

    If the organization is convinced that Fred Jones will walk, I don't see the harm in the Laker trade either, at least from the perspective of next year. I'm in next year mode already.

    2 years of Brian Cook at a cheap price and one year of the perpetually injured McKie (can be be bought out?) is better than nothing.
    No it isn't. I'd rather have Freddie walk than another leech.

    All 3 of those players suck, and I'd rather not give Rick the opportunity to play any of them significant minutes.

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    My friend also was under the impression thatthe dealing isn't over yet for the Pacers. The only player he said that had a margin of security was Tinsley because of him being BYC. His value is in the summer to be moved.
    Tinsly's value may be in the dumper, but if the Pacers wanted to clean house they could easily trade Tinsley. The new 125 percent differential allowable in trades has made it much easier to trade BYC players.

    These are just speculation of rumblings that have been heard throughout the Pacer empire...That the pacers and the nuggets are tryig to hook up for a Stephen Jackson & Antony Johnson going for Andre Miller & a draft pick.
    I wouldn't need the draft pick - but wouldn't do the deal unless Tins was also going somewhere else. Is it supposed to help chemistry by having Jamaal and Andre on the same team?

    One other rumbling was Scott Pollard & Fred Jones going to the Lakers for Devon George, Aaron McKie and Brian Cook.
    The difficulty in re-signing Fred we are likely to face and the need for help at power forward make that a trade worth thinking about doing, if it's offered.

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    I would suggest you go read the entire thread over there. Unless you are used to talking with him do not interact with him. He does not suffer fools well.

    I suggest lurking the thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by indygeezer
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    I would suggest you go read the entire thread over there. Unless you are used to talking with him do not interact with him. He does not suffer fools well.

    I suggest lurking the thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom White
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    So he can name JO and Harrison, but isn't sure if it is right to name the others? That doesn't make sense to me. What am I missing?
    Not quite sure, but I think he might have been saying that JO and Hulk were the only two he could absolutely verify and didn't want to name any others that perhaps weren't in the meetings.

    Or, then again, he was just being weird.

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    None of this makes sense to me. Why would there be a series of meetings between players and management about trade rumors. Isn't that what the source is saying.

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    I'm assuming the Denver pick is first round? Given they're doing pretty well and will get the 3rd seed in the west if they stay in that order, their first round pick will be pretty low. Probably lower than our pick. Still, 2 first rounders are always useful.
    Denver has already traded this year's draft pick. Toronto owns it.

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    The ONLY problem with the Nuggets trade would be that we'd have a serious problem at the 2/3 spots. We'd have Peja, Danger, and Freddie. That's it. I really don't want to see Runi at the 2 again.

    If we keep Fred and make a move for another SG or SF (preferrably SG), we should be okay.

    This is it, folks. Time to rebuild.
    Andre Miller plays a solid amount of 2 with Boykins and Watson in the mix. Him and Tinsley could start together with Sarunas and Fred as the backups in the backcourt.

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    I would suggest you go read the entire thread over there. Unless you are used to talking with him do not interact with him. He does not suffer fools well.

    I suggest lurking the thread.
    I agree, I read the thread and he says more then just the inital post which was pasted here, interesting stuff, esp. if you think he is for real with his info.

    This sort of fits with Bird's quotes today saying they have talked to the players and expect a better effort, etc. that was posted in another thread today.

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    ...the Pacers are trying very hard to obtain Mickael Pietrus from Golden State for Fred Jones...again this is heresay, but would work according to the CBA.
    That would make some of you wishing for the GS deal very happy.

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    That would make some of you wishing for the GS deal very happy.
    Now THAT I would love, in conjunction with the Nugz trade.

    C - Foster/Hulk/Polly
    PF - JO/Cro
    SF - Peja/Danger
    SG - Pietrus
    PG - Miller/Tinsley/Gill

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    I def like the FJ for Pietrus deal.

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    Who says it has to be a pick from this year... Denver can always trade a future draft pick... and after this years draft the next two drafts are supposed to be deeper/ stronger...
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