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    Deal is King-sized trouble

    Ron Artest likely will continue his erratic behavior in Sacramento

    Published January 26, 2006

    Sometimes it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck--and NBA teams still believe it's a functioning player who can turn around their seasons and their franchises.

    Once it was the Indiana Pacers. Wednesday it was the Sacramento Kings, who traded for Ron Artest in hopes of salvaging their season.

    Before too long, they will be working on salvaging their franchise as the Pacers are now. Artest spent almost four seasons in Indianapolis creating hope and then burying it in a succession of bizarre and bitter activities. Those ranged from causing the worst brawl in NBA history to asking for a leave from his team to work on his recording career.

    Now Artest is the Kings' problem because they traded high-scoring forward Peja Stojakovic for the high-maintenance forward.

    The trade continues the breakup of the Kings, who were on the brink of a championship in 2002 and now have only Mike Bibby remaining from that team. The Kings were motivated partly by competitiveness, but also because they faced having to make a major financial investment in free-agent-to-be Stojakovic or losing him at a time their payroll is overflowing.

    Artest, whom the Pacers deactivated after his trade demand last month, could provide short-term help for the Kings because of his ability to play defense and score. He was an All-Star and Defensive Player of the Year in 2003-04.

    But his untamed behavior promises to ruin the deal eventually for Sacramento. On Tuesday, Artest broke up the trade when he reportedly said he didn't want to play for the Kings.

    That was smoothed over, no doubt when Artest was informed a refusal to accept a trade would mean suspension, loss of pay and a substantial fine from the NBA.

    But Artest has a manic work ethic that is endearing to fans and because he can guard the league's best scorers, he could add kick to the casual Kings.

    What he will add otherwise could be a kick in the teeth, which is what other teams in the NBA had been discovering in trade negotiations with the Pacers.

    Artest has been appearing at games in Los Angeles lately and he supposedly has been telling teams he intended to live in Los Angeles because he viewed the city and its recording industry as his future.

    Artest was leading the NBA with 2.6 steals per game and was second on the team in scoring at 19.4 before he was benched this season with the name of his recording company shaped in his hair.

    A Sacramento newspaper printed an interview on Tuesday with Stojakovic in which he said he would like to be a King for the rest of his career, the same day reports surfaced the trade was close. Stojakovic said he was angry with the team for the way the situation was handled during negotiations and it became clear he didn't want to stay. Despite their misgivings then, the Kings were stuck with the deal.

    Although the Pacers are in a shambles because of the Artest mess and injuries, they at least acquire a scorer who can help them. Stojakovic likely will be one of the top free agents this summer and a player in whom the Bulls were believed to have interest. He could re-sign with Indiana, but the Pacers are well above the luxury-tax penalty.

    "He's one of the best shooters in the league and we definitely feel he can come in and help us right away," Pacers general manager Larry Bird said.

    Stojakovic, an MVP contender in 2003-04 and a three-time All-Star, is averaging just 16.5 points and shooting 40 percent in his second straight declining season marred by minor injuries. He could be dealt again.

    Artest is regarded as gentle and big-hearted to most who know him. A man who supports multiple friends and family members, he remains prone to uncontrolled rages and unpredictable behavior. His biggest drawback is that after the Detroit brawl, he was unable to maintain personal discipline and stay committed to his team. Although the Pacers, and the Bulls before them, tried everything from virtual hand-holding to professional care, issues developed almost daily from simple matters like being late, to unconscionable demands and behavior.

    But sports management is filled with large egos who believe they are the one who can change a person.

    "There's no doubt in our mind he'll have an immediate impact on [the Kings]," Pacers President Donnie Walsh said of Artest. "We'll miss him very much."

    Yes, there will be an impact. The Pacers dare not say what kind they think it will be.

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    Default Re: Sam Smith > Deal is King-sized Trouble

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    "There's no doubt in our mind he'll have an immediate impact on [the Kings]," Pacers President Donnie Walsh said of Artest. "We'll miss him very much."

    Yes, there will be an impact. The Pacers dare not say what kind they think it will be.
    Hey, someone used the word "impact" without thanking Jay.....*******s.

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    Default Re: Sam Smith > Deal is King-sized Trouble

    When Donnie Walsh thanks me for a grammar contribution, I'm going to take that press conference transcript and frame it.

    Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
    Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
    Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
    Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
    And life itself, rushing over me
    Life itself, the wind in black elms,
    Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you


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    I don't understand why everyone says Peja is going to be a free agent. If they think he's seriously NOT going to exercise his player option and make the Pacers pay him 8 million next season, they are crazy. That's far better than he'll do on the open market. So basically Peja is looking at a one time opportunity to play himself into a great career ending contract over the rest of this season and next season.

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    I don't understand why everyone says Peja is going to be a free agent. If they think he's seriously NOT going to exercise his player option and make the Pacers pay him 8 million next season, they are crazy. That's far better than he'll do on the open market. So basically Peja is looking at a one time opportunity to play himself into a great career ending contract over the rest of this season and next season.
    The way he's been playing this season, his value is no higher than his current salary. But...

    1) I think he'll put up better numbers the rest of the season -- if not because of the change of scenery and offense built for a Reggie/Peja shooter, then because he knows he's coming into a contract year.

    2) He's near the top of a weak free agent class this summer, so SOMEONE will overpay him, regardless of his performance this season.

    Unless he has a season-ending injury (and with this team, that's always right around the corner) that would kill his FA value , I fully expect him to opt out.
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    Default Re: Sam Smith > Deal is King-sized Trouble

    1 year, $8 million or 6 years for 40 million??

    If he's healthy, he opts out and signs a deal that will last him the rest of his career, instead of risking a major injury next season.
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    Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
    Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
    And life itself, rushing over me
    Life itself, the wind in black elms,
    Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you


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    Default Re: Sam Smith > Deal is King-sized Trouble

    Can someone clarify for me?

    If Peja opt out and decides to become a Free Agent....will he still be an Unrestricted FA?

    Given the relative weak Free Agent market this season compared to huge star-studded 2007-2008 Free Agent Market......I could see Peja opting out.

    Peja is not going to get as big of an offer this 2006 offseason compared to the 2007 offseason. On top of that...due to his age and growing Back problems....I think that he's gonna have to do the best thing and go for the $$$ ASAP.

    Hmmmm........assuming that the Pacers don't resign Peja or even Freddie and the remaining short term contracts like Croshere and Pollard expire.....what will be our financial situation in the 2007-2008 offseason?

    How much money are we gonna have to spend on Free Agents during the 2007-2008 free agent market?

    Anyone have a calculator to figure this out?


    I'm wondering if the Pacers have a 2007 plan like the Lakers do......
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    1 year, $8 million or 6 years for 40 million??
    LOL!

    Nobody on earth is gonna pay him that unless he returns to his 03-04 form and carries this team to the 4th seed in the playoffs. You don't give someone a contract like that based on a good few months, but more like based on a good season and a half. It's right that the free agent class is weak this summer, but doing something like that would get almost any GM fired.

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    LOL!

    Nobody on earth is gonna pay him that unless he returns to his 03-04 form and carries this team to the 4th seed in the playoffs. You don't give someone a contract like that based on a good few months, but more like based on a good season and a half. It's right that the free agent class is weak this summer, but doing something like that would get almost any GM fired.
    I'm going to have to remember this if the Pacers sign him to an extension.

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    I'm going to have to remember this if the Pacers sign him to an extension.
    Well if they do, you can bet it won't be 6 years and 40 million.

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    Quote Originally Posted by travmil
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    LOL!

    Nobody on earth is gonna pay him that unless he returns to his 03-04 form and carries this team to the 4th seed in the playoffs. You don't give someone a contract like that based on a good few months, but more like based on a good season and a half. It's right that the free agent class is weak this summer, but doing something like that would get almost any GM fired.
    That's what SJax is making. That's not much for an NBA starter these days, in fact I based that off something close to the MLE.

    Using standard NBA raises, it would be a pretty big cut from his current contract.
    Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
    Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
    Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
    Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
    And life itself, rushing over me
    Life itself, the wind in black elms,
    Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you


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    Default Re: Sam Smith > Deal is King-sized Trouble

    But you're not taking into account that the Pacers are already over the cap, and still will be even if he plays out his contract. If the pacers sign him to that contract, they'll have to do a sign and trade immediately (ala Brad Miller) to keep from having to pay the luxury tax. Now, if Benders' money comes off the books by then, that's a different story.

    [edit] after reading up a bit on Peja's contract status, it appears we have his Bird rights now. That makes a huge difference. [/edit]

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    Default Re: Sam Smith > Deal is King-sized Trouble

    Right. He'd be unrestricted, but we can go as high as we want to resign him (and give him a longer deal or larger raises). I'm certainly not suggesting that we over-pay for him, but with our track record I pretty much expect us to do that anyway.
    Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
    Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
    Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
    Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
    And life itself, rushing over me
    Life itself, the wind in black elms,
    Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you


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    Considering how much and how long Larry and Donnie have coveted this guy, I think it's going to take a lot for someone to outbid us, not even considering their history.

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