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    i know how the artest thing can put the bender situation on a backbuner so to speak but, this has gotten to the point where i am getting pretty upset about it.
    bender is clearly history but the dude just won't go away in the sense that he seems to refuse to retire even though it is definately over for him. the guy hasn't even been with the team for a long time now and if i recall is now somewhere in louisiana trying to decide what he wants to do. the mri said his knees are crap so it seems the desicion has been made for him already and even he knows it.
    i know that the ball is in his court as to what next but, it seems like the franchise is letting him off too easy, it looks like he would like to take the rest of his contract to decide what he wants to do while doing even less for the team than he has done before. he has had more than enough time to decide what he should do but seems to be dragging his feet on this. i think it is time for this franchise to play some hardball with this guy and tell him he either returns to the team immediately and plays (we all know he won't- i think) or retire. what does everyone else think of the hardball stance?

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    He gets paid his full contract no matter whether he retires or not, so it's not like he's purposely stalling to keep getting paid. But think about it, basketball is his career, he's still only 24(?). Why give up now? Sure, it might take 1-2 years, and I know the Pacers are through with him, but he's got a long life ahead of him, and some people wouild rather keep trying then just give up.

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    if he retires, insurance will cover most of his contract and then they can start moving forward finaly. he may be only 24 and all but he no cartledge left in one knee and the other isn't far behind. when your knees are that bad- they don't get better no matter how long you rest them. this franchise has tried the rest and rehab thing with him many, many times with the same results. the pacers are not the only ones done with him- his career is over. he will never play nba ball or any organized ball again.

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    IMO, it's a done deal but he's waiting in case he can help the franchise in some sort of trade, work on paper, with the mind to retire, so that it actually helps the team in some way. That's what I think the wait is for, but I don't know if that's the case or not.

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    I'd forgotten about this angle, but can a league-supplied medical exception be used to balance a trade?
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    IMO, it's a done deal but he's waiting in case he can help the franchise in some sort of trade, work on paper, with the mind to retire, so that it actually helps the team in some way. That's what I think the wait is for, but I don't know if that's the case or not.
    My understanding is that if he's traded, he has to pass a physical to keep that insurance on his contract. Obviously he won't pass a physical, so any team that trades for him just gets his albatross of a contract. Also, I think the timetable for declaring him medically ineligible will reset, meaning they'd have to keep him another year before they could write off his contract. I'd say there's no way JB is waiting to help the team.

    More likely is that he's seeing several (think dozens) of specialists to see if anyone sees a possible way of him continuing his career. You've got to realize he's essentially a dumb guy with no college and no practical job experience. He's got a lot of money, but basketball has been the only thing he's had since, what? Age 9? It would be a really, really tough decision to turn your back on your only real interest. What would you do with the rest of your life? Keep in mind, we're not talking about you guys, who would golf, take up several hobbies. You see, you guys are educated, and have a lot going on up top. I don't think you can say the same of JB. He's staring 50+ years of total boredom in the face, so, ya, he's doing his best to stay on the court as long as he can. I guess the only way you can envision this scenario is if you know someone who has absolutely no hobbies except for watching TV. If you know someone like this, you know what I'm talking about.

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    I'm not sure he couldn't pass a physical. Let's look at it this way:
    SURELY the Pacers have taken an MRI of his knees and allowed him to try and comeback.

    It would be a 'team' call. The doctors could say: "He'll likely play with pain and swelling could be an issue"... but that doesn't necessarily mean they are saying "This man cannot play basketball". Now, I'm not saying they'd ever 'pass' him expecting him to play BUT if it was all a wink and a nod way around letting him be traded for a salary dump then I don't think the physical would be the hold up.

    I don't know what kind of teeth the new CBA has to weed out this kind of stuff... but the holdup would be in that (CBA) rather than the physical... IMHO...

    ..And to be clear... I'm not saying that is what I think is going on. As a matter of fact, I think he's probably stringing the team along as a 'payback' for their treatment of him (in his own mind thinking the Pacers weren't fair with him for some reason).

    BTW... if he did retire and then decide 2-3 years from now he was able to make a comeback, why couldn't he comeback? ... Altho I've opined his reasoning would be that NOBODY would give him the 'pass' the Pacers have and the first summer league game he misses would be his last.


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    My understanding is that if he's traded, he has to pass a physical to keep that insurance on his contract. Obviously he won't pass a physical, so any team that trades for him just gets his albatross of a contract. Also, I think the timetable for declaring him medically ineligible will reset, meaning they'd have to keep him another year before they could write off his contract. I'd say there's no way JB is waiting to help the team.

    More likely is that he's seeing several (think dozens) of specialists to see if anyone sees a possible way of him continuing his career. You've got to realize he's essentially a dumb guy with no college and no practical job experience. He's got a lot of money, but basketball has been the only thing he's had since, what? Age 9? It would be a really, really tough decision to turn your back on your only real interest. What would you do with the rest of your life? Keep in mind, we're not talking about you guys, who would golf, take up several hobbies. You see, you guys are educated, and have a lot going on up top. I don't think you can say the same of JB. He's staring 50+ years of total boredom in the face, so, ya, he's doing his best to stay on the court as long as he can. I guess the only way you can envision this scenario is if you know someone who has absolutely no hobbies except for watching TV. If you know someone like this, you know what I'm talking about.
    I agree that basketball is probably all he's known in his life, but just because he didn't go to college doesn't mean he's retarded.
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    I agree that basketball is probably all he's known in his life, but just because he didn't go to college doesn't mean he's retarded.
    Fair enough, but I'm not making a blanket statement about all people who don't go to college. I've heard him interview, I've seen him struggle to learn basic plays. He's dumb. Sure, some HS guys skip college because of the allure of money, but a good number of them skip because they struggle to stay eligible for HS sports, and know they will have an even harder time scraping C's in college. I'm willing to bet large that JB is one of those guys.

    My statement wasn't a social commentary. Don't try to make it more than it is.

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    if he retires, insurance will cover most of his contract and then they can start moving forward finaly. he may be only 24 and all but he no cartledge left in one knee and the other isn't far behind. when your knees are that bad- they don't get better no matter how long you rest them. this franchise has tried the rest and rehab thing with him many, many times with the same results. the pacers are not the only ones done with him- his career is over. he will never play nba ball or any organized ball again.
    Medical science has made almost unbelievable strides in dealing with knees in the PAST FIVE YEARS. THey are now REGENERATING knee tissues, not just reconstructing them. Really amazing stuff happening with ligament and cartilage problems.
    Not saying we should keep him on the hook, but he COULD be back in this league. It's NOT a done deal.
    For one: http://www.kneeguru.co.uk/kneegeeks/5144028501.html

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    Fair enough, but I'm not making a blanket statement about all people who don't go to college. I've heard him interview, I've seen him struggle to learn basic plays. He's dumb. Sure, some HS guys skip college because of the allure of money, but a good number of them skip because they struggle to stay eligible for HS sports, and know they will have an even harder time scraping C's in college. I'm willing to bet large that JB is one of those guys.

    My statement wasn't a social commentary. Don't try to make it more than it is.
    Well if you're going to base someone's intelligence by how they perform in a press conference then Bill Billicheck is a stuttering moron, you know.

    The only thing we know for sure about Jonathan is that his knees are gone. Unless you've got a copy of his high school transcript I don't see how you can form your opinions.

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    Well if you're going to base someone's intelligence by how they perform in a press conference then Bill Billicheck is a stuttering moron, you know.

    The only thing we know for sure about Jonathan is that his knees are gone. Unless you've got a copy of his high school transcript I don't see how you can form your opinions.


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