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Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

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01/18/2006 Game Thread 37: Pacers vs Bobcats

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  • #61
    Re: 01/18/2006 Game Thread 37: Pacers vs Bobcats

    AJ career high FTW.

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    • #62
      Re: 01/18/2006 Game Thread 37: Pacers vs Bobcats

      2 BIG PLAYS BY JACK

      AJ now has a career high of 26

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      • #63
        Re: 01/18/2006 Game Thread 37: Pacers vs Bobcats

        Jackson we needed that 3 !!

        Why Not Us ?

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        • #64
          Re: 01/18/2006 Game Thread 37: Pacers vs Bobcats

          Heh - AJ is god tonight!
          I'm really sorry because of my english (which is my 3-4 language) and I really appreciate Your patience. I hope this board will make me better

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          • #65
            Re: 01/18/2006 Game Thread 37: Pacers vs Bobcats

            AJ has been using some of that ooze from TMNT 2.

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            • #66
              Re: 01/18/2006 Game Thread 37: Pacers vs Bobcats

              Not over yet tho.
              My Dream Team

              PG - A.Iverson
              SG - K.Bryant
              SF - R.Artest
              PF - J.O'Neal
              C - D.Howard

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              • #67
                Re: 01/18/2006 Game Thread 37: Pacers vs Bobcats

                Originally posted by J_2_Da_IzzO
                Not over yet tho.
                Now it is.

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                • #68
                  Re: 01/18/2006 Game Thread 37: Pacers vs Bobcats

                  Quite a balanced effort (if You see at statistics). Team also exceled on turnovers
                  I'm really sorry because of my english (which is my 3-4 language) and I really appreciate Your patience. I hope this board will make me better

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                  • #69
                    Re: 01/18/2006 Game Thread 37: Pacers vs Bobcats

                    Croshere couldn't hit the side of a barn today....but he made up for it with his 8-10 FT shooting. SJax and Sarunas should do that more often....when their shots don't drop...they should simply drive to the hoop to draw fouls.
                    Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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                    • #70
                      Re: 01/18/2006 Game Thread 37: Pacers vs Bobcats

                      Originally posted by CableKC
                      Croshere couldn't hit the side of a barn today....but he made up for it with his 8-10 FT shooting. SJax and Sarunas should do that more often....when their shots don't drop...they should simply drive to the hoop to draw fouls.
                      No doubt , especially Jackson.. I love it when he drives first , good things usually happen as long as he does not force it, and pass when he is double -teamed

                      Why Not Us ?

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                      • #71
                        Re: 01/18/2006 Game Thread 37: Pacers vs Bobcats

                        Great play by AJ!

                        Chalk this one up as a W.

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                        • #72
                          Re: 01/18/2006 Game Thread 37: Pacers vs Bobcats

                          Congratulations! And good night.
                          I'm really sorry because of my english (which is my 3-4 language) and I really appreciate Your patience. I hope this board will make me better

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                          • #73
                            FINAL BOX SCORE

                            Charlotte Bobcats STATISTICS
                            STARTERSMFG3FGFTORTRATOSTLBLKPFPTS
                            B. Knight, PG405-150-05-60415350315
                            G. Wallace, SF397-120-10-1390541314
                            R. Felton, PG326-111-32-2344000315
                            P. Brezec, C307-140-01-2122000315
                            B. Robinson, SF211-30-00-001011002
                            BENCHMFG3FGFTORTRATOSTLBLKPFPTS
                            J. Jones, SF252-71-30-012420255
                            K. Bogans, SF184-80-11-212020039
                            A. Anderson, SG174-72-30-0031010110
                            M. Carroll, SG123-41-10-002000117
                            J. Voskuhl, CDid Not Play
                            M. Ely, PFDid Not Play
                            K. Rush, SGDid Not Play
                            E. Okafor, PFDid Not Play
                            S. May, PFDid Not Play
                            K. Burleson, PGDid Not Play
                            Totals 39-815-129-1392926131142392
                             48.1%41.7%69.2% 
                            Team Rebounds - 8
                            Defensive 3-second violations - 0
                            Points Off Turnovers - 25
                            Fastbreak Points - 16
                            Points In The Paint - 40
                            Second Chance Points - 7
                             
                            Indiana Pacers STATISTICS
                            STARTERSMFG3FGFTORTRATOSTLBLKPFPTS
                            S. Jackson, SG417-141-32-2284630317
                            A. Johnson, PG409-142-37-83104122127
                            A. Croshere, PF291-71-49-12251500312
                            D. Granger, SF211-30-20-013211312
                            D. Harrison, C194-40-02-2131202210
                            BENCHMFG3FGFTORTRATOSTLBLKPFPTS
                            F. Jones, SG385-132-42-2044100114
                            S. Jasikevicius, PG286-82-40-1010100414
                            J. Foster, C170-30-02-249121052
                            E. Gill, SG20-00-00-000110000
                            J. O'Neal, CDid Not Play
                            S. Pollard, CDid Not Play
                            R. Artest, SFDid Not Play
                            J. Bender, SFDid Not Play
                            J. Tinsley, PGDid Not Play
                            Totals 33-668-2024-2913431820771998
                             50.0%40.0%82.8% 
                            Team Rebounds - 4
                            Defensive 3-second violations - 0
                            Points Off Turnovers - 19
                            Fastbreak Points - 12
                            Points In The Paint - 38
                            Second Chance Points - 12
                             
                            GAME INFORMATION
                            Attendance - 14520
                            Game Time - 2:17
                            Officials - Ken Mauer, Tommy Nunez Jr., Bennie Adams
                            Your horse is dead, get off it already...

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                            • #74
                              GAME RECAP - YAHOO.COM

                              http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/recap?gid=2006011811

                              • Indiana 98, Charlotte 92

                                By CLIFF BRUNT, Associated Press Writer
                                January 18, 2006

                                INDIANAPOLIS (AP) -- Anthony Johnson did it all against the Charlotte Bobcats.

                                He scored 16 of his career-high 27 points in the second half to help the Indiana Pacers win 98-92 on Wednesday night. He grabbed 10 rebounds, shot 9-for-14 from the field and had four assists.

                                He even had a transition dunk in the fourth quarter, a rare occurrence for the 31-year-old point guard. The two-handed jam gave the Pacers a 90-83 lead with three minutes left.

                                "It's nice," he said. "Now that I'm a little older in age -- I'm one of the older guys -- they (younger teammates) always give me a hard time about dunking. They say if I can't show them something, then I need to just lay it in."

                                The 6-foot-3, 200-pound Johnson was too strong for the 5-10, 170-pound Brevin Knight.

                                "I had a good matchup as far as size advantage against their point guard," Johnson said. "I was just trying to take advantage of that. I was able to get some shots to go down and got to the foul line, and my teammates were looking for me. It was nice to have a big night."

                                Stephen Jackson scored 17 points and Sarunas Jasikevicius and Fred Jones each added 14 for the Pacers.

                                Knight had 15 points and 15 assists and Primoz Brezec and Raymond Felton each scored 15 points for the Bobcats.

                                The Pacers held a 43-29 rebounding edge over Charlotte, which played without one of its top post players. Emeka Okafor, who averages 13 points and 10 rebounds, has missed the last four games with a sprained right ankle.

                                "We're asking people to play against guys that outweigh them in some spots by 30 or 40 pounds," Knight said. "That wears on you after a while."

                                The Bobcats led 41-30 in the second quarter before Jasikevicius scored 10 points in an 18-7 run that tied the score at 48. Charlotte scored the last two buckets in the first half to take a 52-48 lead at the break. Knight had 10 points and 10 assists in the first half.

                                Johnson scored nine points in the third quarter to help the Pacers take a 73-65 lead into the fourth.

                                Charlotte cut the Pacers' lead to 82-80 halfway through the final period, but Johnson scored seven points the rest of the way to help the Pacers regain control.

                                Charlotte, which has lost five straight, shot 57.5 percent in the first half but 38 percent after the break. The Pacers shot 50 percent from the field.

                                Both teams are dealing with injuries. Okafor and Kareem Rush, two of the Bobcats' top three scorers, were out. Rush, who averages 12.5 points per game, has been out since Jan. 4 with a sprained left index finger. Sean May, a key reserve, has been out since Dec. 20 with soreness in his right knee.

                                Indiana's Jermaine O'Neal missed his second straight game with a sprained left ankle. He leads the Pacers with 21.4 points and 9.7 rebounds per game. Starting point guard Jamaal Tinsley missed his 11th game in a row with a torn right biceps.

                                Johnson said the Pacers don't have time to feel sorry for Charlotte.

                                "It seems like we're always down, and no one ever takes it easy on us, so in no way can we take it easy on anyone else," he said. "With us having three starters out, you would think this would be the matchup, but any time guys are out, it gives other guys the opportunity to step up."

                                Notes

                                Indiana's Austin Croshere entered the game as the league leader in free-throw percentage, but made just 9-of-12 from the line. ... Jasikevicius scored all 14 of his points in the first half. ... Gerald Wallace and Knight are first and second in the league in steals per game. Knight had five thefts and Wallace four as the Bobcats forced 22 turnovers.
                              Your horse is dead, get off it already...

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