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    Once again, I question who we'd possibly get. Jeff Bzdelik is a good coach whose philosophy would fit with what Larry's talked about, but he's very happy at the Air Force Academy. Michael Cooper (who I'd give a kidney to see as Pacers coach) ran a motion offense in LA that would be perfect, absolutely perfect, for our personnel, but Larry will never ever ever ever hire the guy.

    So, if you really want Rick gone, you have to ask yourself, would you be happier with Dennis Johnson?
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    Keg, why would he not hire the Cooper guy?
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    Keg, why would he not hire the Cooper guy?
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    So was Magic Johnson... Does he hate him too?

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    Deserves another year.

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    So was Magic Johnson... Does he hate him too?

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    I am in the he should not be back but will camp. I think Bird will break the three year rule and he will use the Ron debacle as the reason. He will say Rick has really only had one year.

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    Nope. He will be at least given a decent run (1 year or 2) at it with a complete Pacer team without drama and distractions.

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    Rick doesn't get a free pass for the Artest stuff. He caused a lot of it with his prehistoric scripted offense that doesn't give the players any freedom. I bet Artest would have never exploded like this under a Larry Brown or Philip. He has got to go.

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    I am always game for an upgrade but i doubt there be one.
    He certianly deserves another year and i think whats lacking
    is more so the assistant coaches. Someone needs to
    stroke the ego's on the team and I am pretty sure thats not
    RC strength.

    This was also covered in the forum party.

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    RC is a good strategist, but is not a people person IMO. I think he lacks the personality it takes to mix well with the players, particularly the 'hood guys like Jack, Tins and Ron Ron. The problem is, Rick is too suburban, baby. JMAO.

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    My opinion on this changes about daily, but I'm starting to lean towards Carlisle will be here, and I'm glad for it. For me, as long as Granger and Harrison receive major minutes in games...I have no problem with him.

    Carlisle is also starting to loosen the reins a little bit and that is fine with me.

    Carlisle is showing that he is not as stubborn as he has been in the past, but then again, this team always being in constant flux from injury to kncukleheads won't give him a chance to be stubborn.
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    It would be insanely stupid not to have Rick as our coach next season.
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    I'd say "No - he won't be here for next season, and yes - it's a good thing".

    Carlisle always struck me as someone who doesnt have "what it takes" to bring a title. Sure he's a good coach. Sure he can teach the young guys to play, and sure - he has HIS style and all that...

    But when the chips are down - he doesn't have it.

    Would Ron Artest have gone ballistic if say Phil Jackson was his coach last year? Maybe. Would he have demanded a trade on the air if say Larry Brown was the coach? Maybe. Is it possible that ego issues (Tins, Jax, JO, Ron, etc) would surface all the time under say Pat Riley? Maybe.

    Maybe not.

    Carlisle is partly responsible for these issues being issues. He just doesn't have that psychological aspect of his coaching that can take the team over the hill. Can you even imagine the Pacers finishing 8th and making it to the Finals? No way! There's no fire, no passion - just X's and O's. That's just not enough.

    [BTW - I have a feeling the Pistons will find out that Flip is of the same mold and if they lose a few games in the playoffs they might be so rattled that they could break.]

    From reading between the lines of Bird's comments, I have a feeling he's going to bring in a Euro coach, but one that knows the NBA (ala Mike D'Antoni). There are several coaches like this in Europe, the main leader (IMO) is David Blatt of Bennetton Treviso.
    I wouldn't be surprised to see another leading Euro player or two signed as FA in the summer.
    I really hope, for the Pacers sake, that this is what happens.

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    If Rick does not come back as coach will it finally happen with Donnie stepping down, Bird taking his place, and Carlisle stepping into Bird's shoes?
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    Carlisle will be back there is not ifs, ands, or buts about it. This team would have been a 25 win team last year and 30 win team this year without him. You don't play euro ball by hiring a euro coach, you play by players not worrying about their numbers. But the way the NBA game is setup you get paid by your numbers.

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    Carlisle will be back.

    Bird just made up that 3-year rule thing, since he was tired of coaching and had some health issues that needed to be taken care of and he didn't want them publicized as a reason for him to leave the bench.

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    I know this isn't a poll, but I'll go with

    3) Yes, he'll be back and we should be glad about that.

    There aren't that many quality coaches out there, and Carlisle has shown that he can motivate players, adapt to advertisty, and work the Xs and Os better than most.

    Besides, there won't be anyone better available this summer.

    I'd sooner turn over the whole roster than dump Carlisle.
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    Larry is not coming back, he didn't have a meeting with Orlando for not reason, yeah he is coming back to the NBA but not to the Pacers, the notion that he is a taking a year off and then come back is absurd.
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    I'd say "No - he won't be here for next season, and yes - it's a good thing".

    Carlisle always struck me as someone who doesnt have "what it takes" to bring a title. Sure he's a good coach. Sure he can teach the young guys to play, and sure - he has HIS style and all that...

    But when the chips are down - he doesn't have it.

    Would Ron Artest have gone ballistic if say Phil Jackson was his coach last year? Maybe. Would he have demanded a trade on the air if say Larry Brown was the coach? Maybe. Is it possible that ego issues (Tins, Jax, JO, Ron, etc) would surface all the time under say Pat Riley? Maybe.

    Maybe not.

    Carlisle is partly responsible for these issues being issues. He just doesn't have that psychological aspect of his coaching that can take the team over the hill. Can you even imagine the Pacers finishing 8th and making it to the Finals? No way! There's no fire, no passion - just X's and O's. That's just not enough.

    [BTW - I have a feeling the Pistons will find out that Flip is of the same mold and if they lose a few games in the playoffs they might be so rattled that they could break.]

    From reading between the lines of Bird's comments, I have a feeling he's going to bring in a Euro coach, but one that knows the NBA (ala Mike D'Antoni). There are several coaches like this in Europe, the main leader (IMO) is David Blatt of Bennetton Treviso.
    I wouldn't be surprised to see another leading Euro player or two signed as FA in the summer.
    I really hope, for the Pacers sake, that this is what happens.
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    Carlisle will be back.

    Bird just made up that 3-year rule thing, since he was tired of coaching and had some health issues that needed to be taken care of and he didn't want them publicized as a reason for him to leave the bench.
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    As I remember it, he made that comment when he was hired. I am 99.99% positive we knew going in that it was supposed to be his last year.
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    You talking about Carlisle or Tony Dungy???
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    Well actually I do, a bit. And I wasn't surprised at all - not at the loss itself, and not at the missed tying FG. It's the same symptoms, and yes - there is a thread that connects this all back to Carlisle.

    BTW - what happened to the Colts is by far the most optimistic thing could have happened to the Pacers, assuming you're a dedicated basketball fan and dont care too much for football. Sure - it's 1 game and not a series, and it's a different game and all, but if there's one word that can shed a ray of sunlight on this - Detroit.
    To continue this somewhat irrelevant analogy - the Pacers would be the Panthers, and the Steelers would be the Heat, Patriots-Lakers & Broncos-SA. Just going on general perception, not anything solid...

    Oh, and the Superbowl winners will be the Seahawks (Phoenix).

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