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  • #46
    Re: Okay, how bout Saras 38?

    Originally posted by Kestas
    are you saying Saras can't get the ball to his side under pressure?
    then answer me how could a PG, who can't perform such an important thing for PG, be one of the most recognized basketball players in the world? as a PG Saras is clearly the most recognized player besides the Americans.
    go rent some tapes of his play against Team USA in Sydney or Athens. or see how he performed in the final fours of Euroleague.

    and one more thing. believe me, if Tinsley with his style and attitude would go to a European powerhouse like Panathinaikos, that are playing deffensive basketball with a very good ball rotation, only God knows how he would do (not that brilliant, if you ask me). Saras, on the other hand, went to the team, that plays something he is not used to, which has a different phylosphy to his former teams and uses much less ball rotation on offense, while aslo lacking heart sometimes. besides, this new team is even trying to reinvent his style testing him in the position he las played long ago. yet he's producing in the third month with this system.
    I believe he should stay with the Pacers, starting or coming of the bench, no matter.. for now at least.
    Very good point!
    However I start to doubt if I want see Saras in Pacers team any more. I
    am a fan of Pacers - but as long as Rick Carlise will coach this team Saras
    will have a slump. And the team will have a slump... That is my personal
    opinion.

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    • #47
      Re: Okay, how bout Saras 38?

      Originally posted by Jon Theodore
      I feel so bad for Sarunas, he would clearly be playing soooo much better with Cleveland. They have Mike Brown who is a great players coach, he has a close friend there, and he would probably be their best point guard. Lebron could get the ball up the floor for Runi, so that wouldn't be an issue.
      .
      No way Saras would be happy in Cleveland. They play even worse type of game than Indiana. The only place were he would be happy is Utah. He made big mistake thinking only about championship, he would be playing European type of basketball there. Look, yesterday game against Raptors, AK47 - 11 assists, Okur 7. Thats sharing the ball thing, it is all what Saras preaches for in Indiana.

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      • #48
        Re: Okay, how bout Saras 38?

        Originally posted by Hicks
        Sarunas has looked his best when we play up-tempo. Since Rick will never do that on purpose, Saras will never look better as long as both are here IMO.
        Same was true with Steve Nash, Jason Kidd.

        Maybe trading him isn't such a bad idea...

        Artest+Saras+Foster for Pierce anyone?

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        • #49
          Re: Okay, how bout Saras 38?

          Originally posted by NPFII
          Same was true with Steve Nash, Jason Kidd.

          Maybe trading him isn't such a bad idea...

          Artest+Saras+Foster for Pierce anyone?
          Stop it.

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          • #50
            Re: Okay, how bout Saras 38?

            Originally posted by Jerry_McGuire
            Very good point!
            However I start to doubt if I want see Saras in Pacers team any more. I
            am a fan of Pacers - but as long as Rick Carlise will coach this team Saras
            will have a slump. And the team will have a slump... That is my personal
            opinion.
            that may be so, but what better options are there in NBA?
            besides, I thik Saras should adjust to Carlisle's style. however, in case of some serious failures by the team (which is not the case yet), the coach should go, not Saras

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            • #51
              Re: Okay, how bout Saras 38?

              Originally posted by Kestas
              that may be so, but what better options are there in NBA?
              besides, I thik Saras should adjust to Carlisle's style. however, in case of some serious failures by the team (which is not the case yet), the coach should go, not Saras
              I think I should agree with Jerry. However it appears that its not as easy to change teams as it is in Europe... And since Saras is not Artest we will wait at least till the end of the season. However, I would prefer to see him in Cleveland right now.

              What bugs me the most, is that coach prefers AJ over Saras!!! You can agree that Tinsley is a good player and that he is on Saras level, though they are completely different so its hard to compare them. But AJ?!?! Common, half of the board here was laughing at AJ a month ago. And still coach prefers him.

              I think its mostly due to Saras's poor dribbling and may be he is still poor defender. The one thing Rick dont understand is that when you drive limousine its hard to maneuver and park. You have to MAXIMIZE HIS POTENTIAL. Help him with defence. Let him defend weakest player. Let SG or SF to bring the ball. GIVE THE BALL TO SARAS IN OFFENCE!!! LET HIM PLAY 38 MINUTES. GIVE HIM SPACE FOR ERRORS. If you do that you'll see totally different game.

              You have to remember that basketball game is not about dunking or good dribling. Celtics with Bird didn't dribble at all on fast breaks. Pass is much faster then dribling. Basketball (offence) is about two simple things:
              1. Shooting the ball, which Saras does best on Pacers team.
              2. Creating shot opportunities, Saras excels in creating opportunities for others. He is best on Pacers team at this point, you saw his passes.
              Now what the dribbling has to do with it? Don't you have players that can do it instead of him? But do you have players that can shoot like him? Pass like him? Drive the team like him? plus emotion leadership etc....

              You should know that all his problems are not because he plays in NBA. I wrote on this board like 2 moths ago before games started, that somebody else brought the ball and helped him to defend in Maccabi. He was not athletic, poor defence and dribbling point guard in Europe. And still the BEST. As Bird did at his time.

              So right now I think you are having Larry Bird in point guard version on this team and not using him (See NPFII avatar).

              SHAME ON PACERS. SHAME ON RICK CARLISLE.....

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              • #52
                Re: Okay, how bout Saras 38?

                I'd be fairly neutral on Sara if he were a normal rookie.

                When the team needed him to step up and play SG, he failed.

                He's having the usual rookie adjustments at a difficult position.

                I prefer AJ at backup SG, because he's a lousy PG, but its hard to argue with Rick's decision to stick with the guy with a longer track record in the NBA.

                Saras occasionally makes plays, and makes shots, like any rookie. He's maddeningly inconsistent, like any rookie not named Granger.

                Like I said, I could be neutral on him. I didn't care for his early season displays of "bossy-ness" on the court. Especially since he kept forgetting about Kyle Korver in the corner, as an easy example. But I could be neutral.

                But all this hype...

                I say we get rid of all our PGs. Tinsley because he's fragile. AJ because he sucks as a PG and Fred is finally proving to be a better backup SG than AJ. Saras can go away because I'm sick of reading about how the Pacers/ Rick should change just to make him look better.

                Good riddance to all of them, in my opinion.

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                • #53
                  Re: Okay, how bout Saras 38?

                  Originally posted by Lithfan
                  What bugs me the most, is that coach prefers AJ over Saras!!!
                  I don't think that's the case, but that's just imho. don't forget Saras is still a rookie and he's still a European in NBA.

                  Originally posted by Lithfan
                  LET HIM PLAY 38 MINUTES.
                  well, he plays enough imho, you can't give all that so soon, coz that would put his reputation in danger. and the use for the team would be questionable, it would be too risky. obviously, I believe he can produce right away, but the general NBA public in USA clearly would not agree with my view. that automatically puts him under the magnifying glass. in such a situation starting position would mean every bleak performance of his would be magnified by the public. he must reach the status when not only the coach and teammates trust him fully, but the public does that as well. interestingly enough, his latest strange absences from the game in the last quarters (when he gets replaced by somebody "more trustworthy") are good for him in that respect rather than vice versa. his reputation is rising. imho.

                  besides, not many rookies get so many minutes so soon. look at Macijauskas. the guy is phenomenal, but hardly plays at all.

                  regarding his move to Cleveland.. I don't like it coz I still am under the impression that Indiana has the better chance to win the title sometime soon. it's a pitty they are not that good right now, but I still believe they are capable of drastic improvement.

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                  • #54
                    Re: Okay, how bout Saras 38?

                    Originally posted by Jay@Section204
                    I'd be fairly neutral on Sara if he were a normal rookie.

                    When the team needed him to step up and play SG, he failed.

                    He's having the usual rookie adjustments at a difficult position.

                    I prefer AJ at backup SG, because he's a lousy PG, but its hard to argue with Rick's decision to stick with the guy with a longer track record in the NBA.

                    Saras occasionally makes plays, and makes shots, like any rookie. He's maddeningly inconsistent, like any rookie not named Granger.

                    Like I said, I could be neutral on him. I didn't care for his early season displays of "bossy-ness" on the court. Especially since he kept forgetting about Kyle Korver in the corner, as an easy example. But I could be neutral.

                    But all this hype...

                    I say we get rid of all our PGs. Tinsley because he's fragile. AJ because he sucks as a PG and Fred is finally proving to be a better backup SG than AJ. Saras can go away because I'm sick of reading about how the Pacers/ Rick should change just to make him look better.

                    Good riddance to all of them, in my opinion.


                    I need a humongous "ditto" smiley for times like these. Couldn't have said it better.

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                    • #55
                      Re: Okay, how bout Saras 38?

                      Originally posted by Lithfan
                      I think I should agree with Jerry. However it appears that its not as easy to change teams as it is in Europe... And since Saras is not Artest we will wait at least till the end of the season. However, I would prefer to see him in Cleveland right now.

                      What bugs me the most, is that coach prefers AJ over Saras!!! You can agree that Tinsley is a good player and that he is on Saras level, though they are completely different so its hard to compare them. But AJ?!?! Common, half of the board here was laughing at AJ a month ago. And still coach prefers him.

                      I think its mostly due to Saras's poor dribbling and may be he is still poor defender. The one thing Rick dont understand is that when you drive limousine its hard to maneuver and park. You have to MAXIMIZE HIS POTENTIAL. Help him with defence. Let him defend weakest player. Let SG or SF to bring the ball. GIVE THE BALL TO SARAS IN OFFENCE!!! LET HIM PLAY 38 MINUTES. GIVE HIM SPACE FOR ERRORS. If you do that you'll see totally different game.

                      You have to remember that basketball game is not about dunking or good dribling. Celtics with Bird didn't dribble at all on fast breaks. Pass is much faster then dribling. Basketball (offence) is about two simple things:
                      1. Shooting the ball, which Saras does best on Pacers team.
                      2. Creating shot opportunities, Saras excels in creating opportunities for others. He is best on Pacers team at this point, you saw his passes.
                      Now what the dribbling has to do with it? Don't you have players that can do it instead of him? But do you have players that can shoot like him? Pass like him? Drive the team like him? plus emotion leadership etc....

                      You should know that all his problems are not because he plays in NBA. I wrote on this board like 2 moths ago before games started, that somebody else brought the ball and helped him to defend in Maccabi. He was not athletic, poor defence and dribbling point guard in Europe. And still the BEST. As Bird did at his time.

                      So right now I think you are having Larry Bird in point guard version on this team and not using him (See NPFII avatar).

                      SHAME ON PACERS. SHAME ON RICK CARLISLE.....
                      I concur....

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                      • #56
                        Re: Okay, how bout Saras 38?

                        Originally posted by Jay@Section204
                        I say we get rid of all our PGs. Tinsley because he's fragile. AJ because he sucks as a PG and Fred is finally proving to be a better backup SG than AJ. Saras can go away because I'm sick of reading about how the Pacers/ Rick should change just to make him look better.

                        Good riddance to all of them, in my opinion.
                        Yeah, you better do...., and keep dreaming about championship team

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                        • #57
                          Re: Okay, how bout Saras 38?

                          Originally posted by hoopsforlife
                          I concur....
                          you what?

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                          • #58
                            Re: Okay, how bout Saras 38?

                            Originally posted by Lithfan
                            I think I should agree with Jerry. However it appears that its not as easy to change teams as it is in Europe... And since Saras is not Artest we will wait at least till the end of the season. However, I would prefer to see him in Cleveland right now.

                            What bugs me the most, is that coach prefers AJ over Saras!!! You can agree that Tinsley is a good player and that he is on Saras level, though they are completely different so its hard to compare them. But AJ?!?! Common, half of the board here was laughing at AJ a month ago. And still coach prefers him.

                            I think its mostly due to Saras's poor dribbling and may be he is still poor defender. The one thing Rick dont understand is that when you drive limousine its hard to maneuver and park. You have to MAXIMIZE HIS POTENTIAL. Help him with defence. Let him defend weakest player. Let SG or SF to bring the ball. GIVE THE BALL TO SARAS IN OFFENCE!!! LET HIM PLAY 38 MINUTES. GIVE HIM SPACE FOR ERRORS. If you do that you'll see totally different game.

                            You have to remember that basketball game is not about dunking or good dribling. Celtics with Bird didn't dribble at all on fast breaks. Pass is much faster then dribling. Basketball (offence) is about two simple things:
                            1. Shooting the ball, which Saras does best on Pacers team.
                            2. Creating shot opportunities, Saras excels in creating opportunities for others. He is best on Pacers team at this point, you saw his passes.
                            Now what the dribbling has to do with it? Don't you have players that can do it instead of him? But do you have players that can shoot like him? Pass like him? Drive the team like him? plus emotion leadership etc....

                            You should know that all his problems are not because he plays in NBA. I wrote on this board like 2 moths ago before games started, that somebody else brought the ball and helped him to defend in Maccabi. He was not athletic, poor defence and dribbling point guard in Europe. And still the BEST. As Bird did at his time.

                            So right now I think you are having Larry Bird in point guard version on this team and not using him (See NPFII avatar).

                            SHAME ON PACERS. SHAME ON RICK CARLISLE.....
                            He can't do the same things because the talent is so much better. He's not quick enough to guard people in this league.
                            That's not to say the GAME itself is better, the one on one and other BS that 'rules' the NBA sickens me and anyone that grew up on TEAM basketball.
                            But the fact remains that these are the BEST athletes in the world. ANd to expect him to do the same things against them is silly.
                            He's an AVERAGE player in this league. He'll never be a star.
                            Shame on yourself.

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                            • #59
                              Re: Okay, how bout Saras 38?

                              Originally posted by Kestas
                              bu who can stay healthy? is there such a man at all in the whole wide world?




                              Saras has outplayed Parker every time they faced each other in the international competition. Parker won two NBA titles, while Saras won Olympic bronze, Eurobasket and three Euroleagues. he has been sellected as the second best non-USA basketball player in the world for two years in a row (this year and last year). his ball handling skills are second to none.
                              sure, if you believe he's worse than some practically unknown outside the NBA Tinsley or Parker, that opinion will probably remain the same, but in any case you should know that majority of International fans would not support your position.

                              if Saras doesn't become a star in NBA, that will mean that the divide between the styles played in Europe and NBA has become too wide. it will not be because of him being worse than Parker or Tinsley (pleaaaaase..). however, I the divide is not that big (though it's clearly noticable in terms of style and individualism). I would bet for Saras starting next season, but that's just a subjective opinion. time will tel who was right.


                              First of all, Parker was HOW old when he played against sarunas? 16? 17? Sarunaus was what, 24? 25?

                              To say Sarunas is better than Tony Parker is an absoluke joke. Sorry, but it is. Parker is an all-star. Sarunas wouldnt even start on msot NBA teams.

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                              • #60
                                Re: Okay, how bout Saras 38?

                                Originally posted by PacerMan
                                He can't do the same things because the talent is so much better. He's not quick enough to guard people in this league.
                                That's not to say the GAME itself is better, the one on one and other BS that 'rules' the NBA sickens me and anyone that grew up on TEAM basketball.
                                But the fact remains that these are the BEST athletes in the world. ANd to expect him to do the same things against them is silly.
                                He's an AVERAGE player in this league. He'll never be a star.
                                Shame on yourself.
                                Common man, I saw Pacers game this season.
                                Saras brings spark, energy attitude that NOBODY on this team has. Not to talk about shooting and passing abilities.
                                The facts can remain whatsoever facts. People like you said Larry Bird is not athletic enough quick enough etc. They said he will never be a star. But he is a LEGEND. And so ~ will Saras. Now or later, when he gets a chance. Just ask Larry about it. I'm sure that he as a coach could have maximize Saras game.

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