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    are you saying Jamaal is better then a PG who can shoot and pass like Saras and play decent D like AJ
    Uh, think that's pretty clearly stated........................

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    Default Re: Okay, how bout Saras 38?

    uhh Tony Parker 28th pick first round, fits in SanAn, 5 yrs in the NBA for a Cham Team and is still learning the trade.
    Chauncey Billups, 3rd pick 1997 and took 6 or 7 years to "learn the trade"

    Saras; undrafted, 29 years old with no BA experience

    I do think that the comparison goes limp.

    1: Do we know Saras can stay healthy? no
    2: Can he handle the ball like the above mentioned? no
    3: Can he handle the ball like Tins? no

    He is good, even very good for a backup, starter on an expansion team, but not no a team, that wants to contend for a title.
    And he is simply to old to go through the development that the above mentioned players went through.
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    Right now Ed Gill is more valuable to our franchise than Jamaal.

    We need an upgrade at the one & we need it now.

    A.J. is a good backup, Saras is also a good backup. Pick one, trade the other & let's get a new starting 1 & move on.

    I agree 100%.

    I was in favor of making Saras the Pacers starting point guard. I advocated that after the first few games of the season. At least he can stay healthy. But his poor defense and his inability to penetrate and or start the offense against decent pressure is just too big to overcome. yes his defense is improved, but overall he is a non-factor at that end. Not that Tinsley's defense is much better at all.

    I'd like to see what Earl Watson could do at the Pacers starter. He and saras as a combo I think could be good enough, if we get the right players around them. Otherwise the Pacers will have to take a chance on someone else.

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    Default Re: Okay, how bout Saras 38?

    TRADE SARAS NOW!

    (To Cleveland)

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    yes please

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    I dont get it...

    You want to trade AJ/Saras and keep Tinsley after all what you said before?! [to which I agree whole-heartedly]

    Or did you mean trade Tinsley and AJ/Saras for a decent starting PG (Andre Miller?) ?
    Yes, I meant to trade Jamaal & either A.J. or Saras to get an upgrade at the one.

    I wasn't impressed with Earl Watson when we played vs. Denver but as of now I am more than willing to give it a try.

    Jamaal is just the same old song & dance year after year after year & point guard is to important of a spot on the floor for us to just keep having to have three functioning point guards.

    I like A.J. but I also like what Saras brings to the table.

    So I can live with whichever one they choose to go with.

    I love what Jamaal can do with the ball & my preferance would be for him to be the p.g. but I just can no longer stand watching year after year after year of the guy playing about 50% of the regular season & always being lame come playoff time.


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    Trade Saras Now topic.
    Other teams would be much happier to have him, and Saras would
    be playing much better with any other team.

    At the moment - Saras is not showing even 30% of what he's capable.
    And with atmosphere, attitude and coaching in the team like that - I'm
    afraid he'll never do...

    - Tinsley hates him
    - Jackson hates him even more
    - Carlise hates him
    - Ragnar, Able and Jermaniac hate him too


    The guy does everything he can for his team (with excellent statistics,
    inspiration and quality by the way...) - however he's tossed up by
    coaching and agonized chemistry construction in every way it's possible:

    - has to bare unexcusable experiments - like to play in SG, when he's a
    pure PG
    - is benched everytime he starts to play and shoot "too good"
    - or is benched after first couple mistakes, despite that he had brought a spark
    - doesn't get passes from his teammates almost at all
    - almost every time has to give himself away to cheer up other players,
    who sometimes remind me of sleeping beauties, who overdosed cofeine
    free coffee...
    - has to to play in awful team atmosphere and relationship conditions,
    where key players pout and don't respond to efforts to build up frienly or
    at least healthy relationship.


    The whole set of conditions make Saras perform way below his own
    average level. My suggestion - sell Saras and stay with Tinsley and Aj like
    before. Saras would have a chance to lead any other team to champions
    title, and everyone stays satisfied (except Bird ).

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    Sarunas has looked his best when we play up-tempo. Since Rick will never do that on purpose, Saras will never look better as long as both are here IMO.

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    Trade Saras Now topic.
    Other teams would be much happier to have him, and Saras would
    be playing much better with any other team.

    At the moment - Saras is not showing even 30% of what he's capable.
    And with atmosphere, attitude and coaching in the team like that - I'm
    afraid he'll never do...

    - Tinsley hates him
    - Jackson hates him even more
    - Carlise hates him
    - Ragnar, Able and Jermaniac hate him too


    The guy does everything he can for his team (with excellent statistics,
    inspiration and quality by the way...) - however he's tossed up by
    coaching and agonized chemistry construction in every way it's possible:

    - has to bare unexcusable experiments - like to play in SG, when he's a
    pure PG
    - is benched everytime he starts to play and shoot "too good"
    - or is benched after first couple mistakes, despite that he had brought a spark
    - doesn't get passes from his teammates almost at all
    - almost every time has to give himself away to cheer up other players,
    who sometimes remind me of sleeping beauties, who overdosed cofeine
    free coffee...
    - has to to play in awful team atmosphere and relationship conditions,
    where key players pout and don't respond to efforts to build up frienly or
    at least healthy relationship.


    The whole set of conditions make Saras perform way below his own
    average level. My suggestion - sell Saras and stay with Tinsley and Aj like
    before. Saras would have a chance to lead any other team to champions
    title, and everyone stays satisfied (except Bird ).
    Wow, you must be psychic!! (or psychotic)


    (kidding)

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    Sarunas has looked his best when we play up-tempo. Since Rick will never do that on purpose, Saras will never look better as long as both are here IMO.
    There may be a real kernal of truth to what you are saying.


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    Sarunas has looked his best when we play up-tempo. Since Rick will never do that on purpose, Saras will never look better as long as both are here IMO.
    Same is true of Tinsley...
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    are you saying Jamaal is better then a PG who can shoot and pass like Saras and play decent D like AJ

    Are you saying that a guy who can't dribble the ball over the time line with pressure or play defense is better than Jamaal. LOL
    Or are you saying that AJ's inability to run an offense (or dribble the ball over the time line with pressure) is preferable.
    ROTF

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    Default Re: Okay, how bout Saras 38?

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    Are you saying that a guy who can't dribble the ball over the time line with pressure or play defense is better than Jamaal. LOL
    Or are you saying that AJ's inability to run an offense (or dribble the ball over the time line with pressure) is preferable.
    ROTF
    "YES!" to both, atleast they play a meaningfull amount of games.

    Tinsley is clearly the best PG we have, however his impact is very limited overall, because:

    * the limited amount of minutes he plays per game (around 30 though a lot of fans believe he should play about 28 to keep him as healthy as possible).

    * the huge amount of games that he is missing due to injury. Usually players who get older only get more injuries instead of less, so to me this is a clear warning sign of things to come in the coming years.

    I'm starting to think of Tinsley as Brandon was with the T-Wolves, although that was more extreme, we could get something compareable in a short while with Tins which is something I don't want to risk. The warning sign is really on if you ask me.

    Rightnow Sarunas and AJ are more valuable then Tinsley, because they are playing and he's not and it's not the first time that he's not playing.

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    I feel so bad for Sarunas, he would clearly be playing soooo much better with Cleveland. They have Mike Brown who is a great players coach, he has a close friend there, and he would probably be their best point guard. Lebron could get the ball up the floor for Runi, so that wouldn't be an issue.

    I totally agree with what the Lithuanian guy said. Sarunas looked sooo good when he first came here because he was proving himself. Now, the system/chemisty issues are really bogging him down...you can just see it.

    I just absolutely love watching this guy play, you can't watch this guy play and not like what you see. Sure, so many players in the NBA are more gifted athletes...bu this guy REALLY loves the game and loves to win. Those are vastly underrated qualities and I love it when Rick pulls Sarunas out when he starts getting hot. You almost expect it now.

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    Default Re: Okay, how bout Saras 38?

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    I feel so bad for Sarunas, he would clearly be playing soooo much better with Cleveland. They have Mike Brown who is a great players coach, he has a close friend there, and he would probably be their best point guard. Lebron could get the ball up the floor for Runi, so that wouldn't be an issue.

    I totally agree with what the Lithuanian guy said. Sarunas looked sooo good when he first came here because he was proving himself. Now, the system/chemisty issues are really bogging him down...you can just see it.

    I just absolutely love watching this guy play, you can't watch this guy play and not like what you see. Sure, so many players in the NBA are more gifted athletes...bu this guy REALLY loves the game and loves to win. Those are vastly underrated qualities and I love it when Rick pulls Sarunas out when he starts getting hot. You almost expect it now.
    I aggreed with your post, Jon, until I read THIS:

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    and I love it when Rick pulls Sarunas out when he starts getting hot.
    ... typo?

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    - Ragnar, Able and Jermaniac hate him too
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    Hey, what am I, chopped liver?

    You were demoted to 4th best Kegboy weeks ago. You wait your turn! *waves stick*

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    1: Do we know Saras can stay healthy? no
    bu who can stay healthy? is there such a man at all in the whole wide world?

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    2: Can he handle the ball like the above mentioned? no
    3: Can he handle the ball like Tins? no

    Saras has outplayed Parker every time they faced each other in the international competition. Parker won two NBA titles, while Saras won Olympic bronze, Eurobasket and three Euroleagues. he has been sellected as the second best non-USA basketball player in the world for two years in a row (this year and last year). his ball handling skills are second to none.
    sure, if you believe he's worse than some practically unknown outside the NBA Tinsley or Parker, that opinion will probably remain the same, but in any case you should know that majority of International fans would not support your position.

    if Saras doesn't become a star in NBA, that will mean that the divide between the styles played in Europe and NBA has become too wide. it will not be because of him being worse than Parker or Tinsley (pleaaaaase..). however, I the divide is not that big (though it's clearly noticable in terms of style and individualism). I would bet for Saras starting next season, but that's just a subjective opinion. time will tel who was right.

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    Are you saying that a guy who can't dribble the ball over the time line with pressure or play defense is better than Jamaal.
    are you saying Saras can't get the ball to his side under pressure?
    then answer me how could a PG, who can't perform such an important thing for PG, be one of the most recognized basketball players in the world? as a PG Saras is clearly the most recognized player besides the Americans.
    go rent some tapes of his play against Team USA in Sydney or Athens. or see how he performed in the final fours of Euroleague.

    and one more thing. believe me, if Tinsley with his style and attitude would go to a European powerhouse like Panathinaikos, that are playing deffensive basketball with a very good ball rotation, only God knows how he would do (not that brilliant, if you ask me). Saras, on the other hand, went to the team, that plays something he is not used to, which has a different phylosphy to his former teams and uses much less ball rotation on offense, while aslo lacking heart sometimes. besides, this new team is even trying to reinvent his style testing him in the position he las played long ago. yet he's producing in the third month with this system.
    I believe he should stay with the Pacers, starting or coming of the bench, no matter.. for now at least.

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    are you saying Saras can't get the ball to his side under pressure?
    then answer me how could a PG, who can't perform such an important thing for PG, be one of the most recognized basketball players in the world? as a PG Saras is clearly the most recognized player besides the Americans.
    go rent some tapes of his play against Team USA in Sydney or Athens. or see how he performed in the final fours of Euroleague.

    and one more thing. believe me, if Tinsley with his style and attitude would go to a European powerhouse like Panathinaikos, that are playing deffensive basketball with a very good ball rotation, only God knows how he would do (not that brilliant, if you ask me). Saras, on the other hand, went to the team, that plays something he is not used to, which has a different phylosphy to his former teams and uses much less ball rotation on offense, while aslo lacking heart sometimes. besides, this new team is even trying to reinvent his style testing him in the position he las played long ago. yet he's producing in the third month with this system.
    I believe he should stay with the Pacers, starting or coming of the bench, no matter.. for now at least.
    Very good point!
    However I start to doubt if I want see Saras in Pacers team any more. I
    am a fan of Pacers - but as long as Rick Carlise will coach this team Saras
    will have a slump. And the team will have a slump... That is my personal
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    I feel so bad for Sarunas, he would clearly be playing soooo much better with Cleveland. They have Mike Brown who is a great players coach, he has a close friend there, and he would probably be their best point guard. Lebron could get the ball up the floor for Runi, so that wouldn't be an issue.
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    No way Saras would be happy in Cleveland. They play even worse type of game than Indiana. The only place were he would be happy is Utah. He made big mistake thinking only about championship, he would be playing European type of basketball there. Look, yesterday game against Raptors, AK47 - 11 assists, Okur 7. Thats sharing the ball thing, it is all what Saras preaches for in Indiana.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hicks
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    Sarunas has looked his best when we play up-tempo. Since Rick will never do that on purpose, Saras will never look better as long as both are here IMO.
    Same was true with Steve Nash, Jason Kidd.

    Maybe trading him isn't such a bad idea...

    Artest+Saras+Foster for Pierce anyone?

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    Same was true with Steve Nash, Jason Kidd.

    Maybe trading him isn't such a bad idea...

    Artest+Saras+Foster for Pierce anyone?
    Stop it.


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    Very good point!
    However I start to doubt if I want see Saras in Pacers team any more. I
    am a fan of Pacers - but as long as Rick Carlise will coach this team Saras
    will have a slump. And the team will have a slump... That is my personal
    opinion.
    that may be so, but what better options are there in NBA?
    besides, I thik Saras should adjust to Carlisle's style. however, in case of some serious failures by the team (which is not the case yet), the coach should go, not Saras

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