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Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

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"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

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"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

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Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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    Granger loses teeth, sounds painful, I love his toughness

    Reminds me of Dale Davis, playing with his shoulder dislocated or was it separated.
    http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dl...plate=printart
    lakers 96, pacers 90
    Bryant too much for Pacers
    Guard scores 45 points to drop Indiana to 4-29 in Los Angeles
    By Mark Montieth
    mark.montieth@indystar.com
    January 10, 2006


    LOS ANGELES -- The final insult, at the end of an evening full of frustration and folly for the Indiana Pacers, was the worst.
    Kobe Bryant drove the lane, threw a shoulder that landed square on Danny Granger's mouth and hit a fading 8-foot shot that broke a tie with 2:48 left. A whistle blew, just one of an endless and sour symphony, and a foul was called.
    On Granger.

    The Pacers did plenty to self-destruct in their 96-90 loss to the Los Angeles Lakers at Staples Center, but that play summed up the futility of dealing with the NBA's leading scorer.

    Bryant is hard enough to guard under normal circumstances. But when he can draw fouls while injuring defenders, it becomes an impossible task.

    Bryant scored 45 points against the Pacers, who tried four defenders and about as many strategies against him. It was an ugly 45, as he hit just 14-of-32 field goal attempts and 15-of-21 foul shots, but 45 just the same. He became the first NBA player to string together four games of 45 or more since Wilt Chamberlain did it in November of 1964. He also reached 40 for the 50th time of his career.

    "Maybe the best player in the league right now," Pacers coach Rick Carlisle said. "He's that good."

    Great players tend to get breaks from NBA officials, and Bryant appears to have entered the Michael Jordan stratosphere of friendly whistles.

    Stephen Jackson started on Bryant, but was called for two fouls in the first 3 1/2 minutes and never found a rhythm. After scoring a season-high 31 points at Sacramento on Sunday, he finished with eight points on 2-of-9 shooting.

    Jackson was called for a technical foul in the second quarter, and was limited to 25 minutes by his foul trouble.

    Fred Jones took over for Jackson and appeared to provide the toughest challenge for Bryant, but he was called for two fouls in his first six minutes and eventually fouled out. Anthony Johnson and Granger got turns as well.

    Some of their fouls appeared to be questionable, but they were careful not to dwell on the issue.

    "We didn't play the way we did the last two games, I know that," Jackson said. "We can't comment on the fouls, but we do have control over the way we played. This ain't how we got the last two wins. A lot of stuff was different."

    Granger paid the stiffest price for defending Bryant. He had a front tooth knocked out of place while he was being called for his foul. Still in uniform, he paid a postgame visit to the Lakers' team dentist, who gave him three shots to numb the pain and yanked it back into place.

    Granger didn't return to the locker room until 2:20 a.m., EST, about an hour after the rest of his teammates had vacated.

    "It was the worst pain of my life," he said. "I was squeezing his hands and screaming as loud as I could.

    "I could hear it cracking when he pulled (the tooth) back. I think my root cracked."

    Granger felt something else, too. Disbelief.

    "I got called for the foul!" he said, reliving the play. "I didn't even touch him. He hit me and I got called for the foul. I know he's Kobe Bryant, but . . ."

    Bryant shrugged off his accomplishment, and gave credit to the Pacers' defense.

    "It was tough tonight," he said. "They are a very physical team and my jumper wasn't really fallingn as fluidly as I would have liked it to. I was just attacking the rim."

    The Pacers, who dropped to 18-14 and split their four-game road trip, didn't dwell on Bryant's greatness too long. Complaining about the officiating would only brings fines from the NBA, and they provided plenty of reasons to blame themselves as well.

    They shot just 37 percent for the game, and missed eight foul shots in the fourth quarter. Jermaine O'Neal, who led them with 24 points and 16 rebounds, missed all five of his free throw attempts, although only four of them counted officially because a Laker stepped into the lane too soon on one of his attempts. He also hit just 1-of-4 field goal attempts.

    O'Neal was played just his second game after sitting out three with pneumonia, but gave himself no excuses.

    "We were right there until I coughed the game up," he said. "A player in my position has to be able to deliver.

    "There's no excuse. I have to be more efficient from the field and I have to be able to make free throws. If I'm going to be a big-time player, I have to make big-time things happen."

    O'Neal's three misses with 1:34 left came with the Lakers protecting a two-point lead. Lamar Odom, the Lakers' only other double-figure scorer with 17 points, followed with a 3-pointer. Bryant and Odom combined to score the Lakers' final six points from the foul line.

    Fifty-nine fouls were called, stretching the game to 2 hours, 40-minutes. The Pacers got to the line for 11 more attempts than the Lakers because they worked the ball inside the lane more often, but failed to shoot well enough to take advantage.

    "We hung in, competed, and had chances," Carlisle said. "We created a lot of good looks for ourselves, but weren't able to make some of the easiest shots we had on the whole trip."

    The Pacers, who are 4-29 against the Lakers in Los Angeles over their NBA history, played without Austin Croshere, who suffered a slight concussion in Sunday's victory at Sacramento. That brought about the Pacers' 15th different starting lineup of the season, with O'Neal and David Harrison starting together for the first time this season.

    Former Pacers guard Reggie Miller, who has a home in Malibu, watched the game from a courtside seat near the Lakers' bench.
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    Re: Granger loses teeth, sounds painful, I love his toughness

    Originally posted by Unclebuck
    Reminds me of Dale Davis, playing with his shoulder dislocated or was it separated.
    http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dl...plate=printartO'Neal was played just his second game after sitting out three with pneumonia, but gave himself no excuses.

    "We were right there until I coughed the game up," he said. "A player in my position has to be able to deliver.

    "There's no excuse. I have to be more efficient from the field and I have to be able to make free throws. If I'm going to be a big-time player, I have to make big-time things happen."

    Maybe Reggie4Three will appreciate that quote, and cut him some slack. JO realizes he let it slip away, not completely his fault. But what you want that (taking responsibility) out of your star player, IMO.

    MarcD
    "Because clever got me this far, then tricky got me in..."

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      Re: Granger loses teeth, sounds painful, I love his toughness

      Ouch.

      Well, it's the ref's job to call every foul he sees.

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        Re: Granger loses teeth, sounds painful, I love his toughness

        He is scary tough
        You, Never? Did the Kenosha Kid?

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        • #5
          Re: Granger loses teeth, sounds painful, I love his toughness

          He didn't actually lose any teeth....

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            Re: Granger loses teeth, sounds painful, I love his toughness

            It is just reported that Stern is suspending Granger for "attempting to bite" Kobe

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              Re: Granger loses teeth, sounds painful, I love his toughness

              Originally posted by Unclebuck
              Reminds me of Dale Davis, playing with his shoulder dislocated or was it separated.
              http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dl...plate=printart
              lakers 96, pacers 90
              Bryant too much for Pacers
              Guard scores 45 points to drop Indiana to 4-29 in Los Angeles
              By Mark Montieth
              mark.montieth@indystar.com
              January 10, 2006

              Granger paid the stiffest price for defending Bryant. He had a front tooth knocked out of place while he was being called for his foul. Still in uniform, he paid a postgame visit to the Lakers' team dentist, who gave him three shots to numb the pain and yanked it back into place.
              Please say that the foul was on Kobe and not Granger?
              Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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                Re: Granger loses teeth, sounds painful, I love his toughness

                Granger got the foul on him, CableKC.
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