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    Default Re: Reggie Miller:(Dan Patrick show) He thinks Ron will sit the rest of the season

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    So you just want to throw the Season away because you feel it will be better for Ron to sit?

    We're talking about our team here as good as we're playing now we're gonna be needing some help in the playoffs.
    Yeah, some help like Devan George and Slava? Or maybe the sort of help in the form of Olowakandi and Bracey Right? That the sort of help you want? Because apparantly that's the sort of "help" we are getting offered. Not too mention in several of those crap deals we have to throw in after Ron the 3rd best player in the deal or an expiring contract.

    Tell us how those deals are going to help us, because I sure as hell don't understand WTF you are talking about and how you apparantly think that what we get offered now is going to really help us NOW and I'm pretty sure I am not the only way who feels that way.

    In other words ... yes, I would rather sit Ron some more time, I'm convinced we will get atleast slightly better deals, not spectacular at all, but atleast slightly better.

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    I'm starting to really agree with this line of thinking...It is doubly good that dummy gets to sit for another year. Not that it will make him think before he speaks again, but it is kind of funny...

    I don't believe that. At the trade deadline, while the season is winding down, BEFORE THE PLAYOFFS is without a doubt the time when teams will overpay out of need. The excitement of the playoff hunt for a team right on the edge is just too much for them to pass up. It's like bidding in an auction.
    Not even close to comparable to offseason.

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    Cro and Ron for Wally - does that work?
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    How about Cro for Wally?

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    I just don't get why everyone thinks the deals will get better if we wait. Wait a few weeks, wait until the trading deadline, wait until the summer. What's next, wait until 2008 when he's an expiring contract, then he'll have value for sure!!!



    I'd rather we get something for Ron then wait for him to pull a Sprewell and decide he's just going to retire.
    Dude they are not waiting they are NARROWING it down. Come on now Kegboy. Narrowing it down is what we call it when Ron Artest spends the next 6 months on the inactive list.

    You know what I would like if the trade deadline passed and the Union made the Pacers bring Ron back to play. That would just be MAGIC.

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    If the Pacers wait until the offseason, they will get even less for Ron than they would right now.

    Why would anyone want a player that has been forced to miss 2 seasons in a row because of his actions? Yeah that's a real bargaining chip. "This guy is so good we sat him all year rather than trade him."
    Let's keep in mind, however, that off-season trades bring in the highest value and perhaps two years away from the game will allow teams to "forget" Ron's past mishaps and lead them to believe that he'll reform himself once he gets a new start.

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    Default Re: Reggie Miller:(Dan Patrick show) He thinks Ron will sit the rest of the season

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    Dude they are not waiting they are NARROWING it down. Come on now Kegboy. Narrowing it down is what we call it when Ron Artest spends the next 6 months on the inactive list.


    You know what I would like if the trade deadline passed and the Union made the Pacers bring Ron back to play. That would just be MAGIC.


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    Let's keep in mind, however, that off-season trades bring in the highest value and perhaps two years away from the game will allow teams to "forget" Ron's past mishaps and lead them to believe that he'll reform himself once he gets a new start.
    Actually, I think it's more likely that two years away from the game will mean teams will forget how good Ron is on the court, when all they see is the results of his bad behavior.
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    Default Re: Reggie Miller:(Dan Patrick show) He thinks Ron will sit the rest of the season

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    Actually, I think it's more likely that two years away from the game will mean teams will forget how good Ron is on the court, when all they see is the results of his bad behavior.
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    Yeah that's a real bargaining chip. "This guy is so good we sat him all year rather than trade him."
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    "This guy is so good we sat him all year rather than trade him or play him"

    Add that and it pretty much hits the nail on the head. We're trying to trade a player that has already reconsidered his trade demand and yet we won't even let him near the team for fear of distractions. Not exactly a sterling selling point.

    Either we're severely over-valuing him or nobody wants him at any price except as part of a salary/bad contract dump.

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    Default Re: Reggie Miller:(Dan Patrick show) He thinks Ron will sit the rest of the season

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    So you just want to throw the Season away because you feel it will be better for Ron to sit?

    We're talking about our team here as good as we're playing now we're gonna be needing some help in the playoffs.
    There is no guarantee that what we get for Ron will even make us a better team right now, especailly if we unload him for garbage.

    The goal should remain a championship, so we should only trade Ron for a player(s) that helps us accomplish that goal.

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    Default Re: Reggie Miller:(Dan Patrick show) He thinks Ron will sit the rest of the season

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    Cro and Ron for Wally - does that work?
    **** on that. Cro is better than Wally...



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    Default Re: Reggie Miller:(Dan Patrick show) He thinks Ron will sit the rest of the season

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    I don't believe that. At the trade deadline, while the season is winding down, BEFORE THE PLAYOFFS is without a doubt the time when teams will overpay out of need. The excitement of the playoff hunt for a team right on the edge is just too much for them to pass up. It's like bidding in an auction.
    Not even close to comparable to offseason.
    Well, unfortunately there's that pesky trade deadline, so nobody is going to be doing squat right before the playoffs as the season is winding down; or am I just stupid?! [Edit: Didn't see your "At the trade deadline..." part, but that isn't when the season is winding down, or close to the playoffs.]

    If we don't get a bona fide offer for Ron that doesn't have us sending another player with him to get two medium-quality players, then let him sit and let's deal him over the summer.

    Frankly, I don't give a damn if he wants to retire. We aren't getting crap for him now, and if he decides to un-retire, we still own his contract.

    Let him sit. Be patient and show the other GM's we aren't going to be taken advantage of. Get behind the team that we put on the floor every night and stop worrying about who we're getting for dummy. Whomever we get is not going to be this team's savior. It will probably be a role player anyway. The team we have now seems to understand the fact that THEY are the team, and they are responsible for however far they make it this year.

    I could care less what we get for him. I would rather develop the team we have, and maybe add a role player at the deadline or over the summer to complement what we are/have been building.

    Even if it means getting beat in the first round of the playoffs. There's no guarantee that wouldn't happen anyway. It's happened before...



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    Sorry but the blame goes to DW and Bird..... no one's gonna give them a all-star player or a good caliber player there wasting there time.


    The blame also goes to them for getting SJax for Al, JO for Dale Davis, drafting FJones, signing Sarunas, drafting Granger (when 16 other teams passed on him), drafting Foster late in the 1st round (something like #21), drafting Croshere, signing AJ, drafting Tins (DWs doing), drafting Harrison at #29...and if you want to go back a bit: drafting Reggie (when almost everyone else in the state wanted Alford), Antonio at #45, JJ in the second round, getting Jalen for practically nothing, etc etc etc

    Looks to me like they should be complimented more than derided.

    and no offense, but FYI..."...there wasting there time." should read "...they're wasting their time."

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    I hope Reggie's right!

    The summertime is when teams have the time to rework their whole team if they want to. So traditionally that's when the best trades are made.

    There are a bunch of posters on here that just want the Pacers to make a deal, which means they don't care whether the Pacers make a good deal or not! Well I want them to make the best deal possible, so I don't care how long it takes!
    AMEN AMEN...AND AMEN AGAIN.

    There might be alot of teams willing to cough up an 07 pick or something else better than what they might offer in a mid-season deal.

    As long as the Pacers are winning enough to make the playoffs, I really don't see them making a desparation move.

    Hey WillGalen...IF the Pacers don't trade Ron, AND they make the playoffs and get into the second round or ECF...what do you think the chances are that Ron is brought back by the team for a playoff run.

    I admit...HIGHLY unlikely, but interesting to ponder...Ron coming off the bench?! Would the team rather lose to Miami or Detroit without him...or swallow their pride and accept him back?

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    Default Re: Reggie Miller:(Dan Patrick show) He thinks Ron will sit the rest of the season

    I dunno what I think right now. I was all for letting him sit until I read the statement that it would then be TWO YEARS since he had really played and I realized that that is going to have a HUGE psychological impact on the other GM's. These guys already have a fragile enough ego when it comes to RA. THey want him but who wants to be the GM that trades for Ron and then have him go looney sometime next year. There you would be perceived as being outfoxed by Walsh (shame shame dontcha know his rep??) and overpaying for a nutcase. But I think ya gotta play the game and see how it plays out. So I just don't know right now.
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    Default Re: Reggie Miller:(Dan Patrick show) He thinks Ron will sit the rest of the season

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    Are Wally and Peja the all-stars you suppose? We can't afford Wally's bloated contracts or, in Peja's case, don't want the player. If you want to hear the truth, Walsh has the team in a financial bind for at least another year.
    Or, to be more accurate, like 90% of the players mentioned here neither one has been offered. Minny to this point refuses to consider including Wally (for good reason). Spree, however, is a former all-star and available in a sign and trade...

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    Pssst: The Indiana Pacers want Wally Szczerbiak for Ron Artest, but the Timberwolves have said no thanks. Dialogue between the two teams continues.

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    There are a bunch of posters on here that just want the Pacers to make a deal, which means they don't care whether the Pacers make a good deal or not! Well I want them to make the best deal possible, so I don't care how long it takes!
    Couldn't agree more.

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    I just don't get why everyone thinks the deals will get better if we wait. Wait a few weeks, wait until the trading deadline, wait until the summer. What's next, wait until 2008 when he's an expiring contract, then he'll have value for sure!!!



    I'd rather we get something for Ron then wait for him to pull a Sprewell and decide he's just going to retire.
    He's not going to retire when he's getting paid for sitting at home.

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    Hey WillGalen...IF the Pacers don't trade Ron, AND they make the playoffs and get into the second round or ECF...what do you think the chances are that Ron is brought back by the team for a playoff run.

    I admit...HIGHLY unlikely, but interesting to ponder...Ron coming off the bench?! Would the team rather lose to Miami or Detroit without him...or swallow their pride and accept him back?
    I don't think they would let him come back. He gets frustrated in the playoffs and tries to take over. How frustrated would an out of basketball shape Ron get?

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    Default Re: Reggie Miller:(Dan Patrick show) He thinks Ron will sit the rest of the season

    So the Toronto rumors are fake then? Because I'd consider that a good trade.
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