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    I was thinking about it...all of these so called experts say the deal will be done by a certain timetable for the last 3-4 weeks. Its getting old we all including myself get our hopes up.

    Think about what DW and LB have said during this whole process...it will take time, there is no timetable, it could take a couple more weeks. Obviously its the experts not the managment that is lying. idk why we all get excited over rumors anymore this stuff is getting really old

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    I've heard the best deals can be made in the summertime because teams have the time to change their whole team around, and coach's can decide the type of plays they want to run according to their players. Coach's can't make big changes during the season.

    For instant, Carlisle has an offense that was built around JO and Ron. Now the Pacers have to make do.

    With all that said, if we can make a better then, I'm all for waiting until the summer to trade Ron.

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    Donnie said right after Artest's trade demand he expected to get it done within 10 days. Every week after that he's said he's "narrowing it down". We've gotten multiple reports from other teams that they were told by Donnie the trade would go down by the end of this week or that week. The media are not the ones putting artificial timetables on this, the Pacers are, because they're trying to create demand that simply isn't there.
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    Donnie said right after Artest's trade demand he expected to get it done within 10 days. Every week after that he's said he's "narrowing it down". We've gotten multiple reports from other teams that they were told by Donnie the trade would go down by the end of this week or that week. The media are not the ones putting artificial timetables on this, the Pacers are, because they're trying to create demand that simply isn't there.
    This is standard fare for anyone in sales.

    "We have a lot of people interested, so you better act fast."

    "No, I can't go that low, it's very desirable and at the sticker price it will sell with no problem."

    "There was a couple here just yesterday looking at that, they said they were coming back tomorrow."

    "It's already a bargain, there's no room for haggling."

    "If you want it, don't wait too long, this deal won't last."

    Anyone care to add one?

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    This is standard fare for anyone in sales.

    "We have a lot of people interested, so you better act fast."

    "No, I can't go that low, it's very desirable and at the sticker price it will sell with no problem."

    "There was a couple here just yesterday looking at that, they said they were coming back tomorrow."

    "It's already a bargain, there's no room for haggling."

    "If you want it, don't wait too long, this deal won't last."

    Anyone care to add one?

    Kind of like the furniture store that runs a "going out of business sale" every other week....

    ...it loses its effectiveness (impact for Jay) after a while...

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    "Donnie said right after Artest's trade demand he expected to get it done within 10 days."


    Donnie never said such a thing...that was reported on nba fastbreak or espnews one of the two...it was ric bucher's opinion and and bird has always talked about it as a long process look for artest to leave at the trade deadline and maybe not be moved the whole season...if he doesnt get traded he will be playing for us again

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    I trust Donnie and Larry, how could I not. These guys are working their asses off narrowing down the teams. Donnie narrowed it down to 4 teams a few weeks ago but Larry bumped it back up to 15 teams last week. Right now its 30 teams in the running for Artest, everyone is giving up all star type players and Donnie and Larry are going to narrow 1 team down every week. So Ron should be traded in about 6 months.

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    If Walsh and Bird all of a sudden came out and said that they decided to keep Artest for the rest of the season cuz no reasonable trade offer was coming in....essentially shutting down any further speculation on our part.

    Ignoring the "why on Earth would they do that" aspect of this.....the speculation and rumors surrounding the trading of Artest has become the "huge elephant sitting in the middle of the room". If all of a sudden the Pacers could move on and simply ignore the "huge elephant" cuz this "Artest issue" will become a non-issue.....would you feel better about it?
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    For instant, Carlisle has an offense that was built around JO and Ron. Now the Pacers have to make do.
    They could just run the offense from the first half of the GS game... that would be fine with me.
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    Let's review what's been said in the past.

    Pacers agree to trade Artest
    By wire services
    Published December 13, 2005


    INDIANAPOLIS - Ron Artest's days with the Pacers appear to be over.

    Artest, suspended most of last season for his role in one of the worst brawls in American sports, has said he wants out, his past haunts him in Indianapolis and the team would be better off without him.

    Team president and chief executive Donnie Walsh said Monday that he didn't like Artest taking the issue to the media first, but he wants to work out a trade.

    "I told him, "Look, with your statements, they are at the point now that they are a distraction to the team. I will look to see if you can be traded,"' Walsh said. "One thing rang true to me. I told him: "As long as you're here, you got a lot of baggage over your head. It's worse on you and worse on us.' I'm at the point when I have to get rid of the baggage."

    After Artest was suspended for triggering a brawl in Detroit, he missed 73 games and the playoffs.

    Pacers leading scorer Jermaine O'Neal said his primary concern is playing Boston on Wednesday.

    "I'm not going to answer any more questions about Ron Artest," he said. "Ron doesn't want to be here, so Ron doesn't matter anymore."

    He remains on the roster but is inactive with pay for the rest of the week. By then, Walsh expects to have a better idea what he can get for the 6-7, 260-pound forward.

    Artest, 26, was a key component on a team that was expected to challenge for the Eastern crown. He leads the league in steals and is the Pacers' second-leading scorer at 19.4 points per game. But he's best remembered for the brawl, and he hasn't been able to escape the reminders.

    In an interview with the Indianapolis Star published Sunday, Artest said, "I still think my past haunts me here. I think somewhere else I'm starting fresh. I'm coming in with baggage, but people already know about it and how I'm going to be."

    The Long Island City, N.Y., native said he wouldn't mind playing for New York or Cleveland.
    http://www.sptimes.com/2005/12/13/Sp...to_trade.shtml

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    December 27, 2005

    Bird agrees Artest must go
    Pacers president says team's disgruntled player should not have gone public with his complaints




    By Mike Wells
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    DALLAS -- Like everybody else in the organization, Indiana Pacers president Larry Bird stuck by Ron Artest through his trials and tribulations.

    But no more. Bird, who recently returned from a 10-day scouting trip in Europe, made his first public comments since Artest told The Star he wanted to be traded. Bird said Monday he "felt betrayed," and though Artest has since said he wants to return, Bird insisted that's not possible.
    "I think enough is enough," Bird said. "I think Ronnie will do fine but not here."
    Bird said he thought Artest had turned the corner emotionally after his seasonlong suspension last year and would be an MVP candidate.
    "But I don't know what goes on in Ronnie's world when he leaves (Conseco Fieldhouse)," he said. "Ronnie needed support after everything he's been through. Who better to give it to him than the people in this organization?"
    Bird recalled an offseason conversation with his three star players, a meeting that no longer matters.

    "They thought this was their year as a team," Bird said. "Stephen (Jackson), Ronnie and Jermaine (O'Neal) came up to me and asked if I would keep them together for one more year and see how it goes. I was behind it 100 percent."

    Now?
    "I don't know if this is the right wording, but I felt betrayed," Bird said. "We're disappointed. Things happen, maybe it's a good thing. He's a very talented player. I always liked working with him and how he went about things on the basketball court. He's a top-12 player in the league, but we're in a situation where we have to move on."

    Bird, who said he has yet to talk to Artest, said he took exception to Artest going public with his unhappiness.

    "He was clearly frustrated," he said. "Ronnie thinks if we lose, we would have won the game if he had the ball every time. The offense bogs down at times, but it's still a great offense. He held the ball a lot at times. Nothing frustrated me more than him not rebounding. But I didn't go out in the public and say anything."

    While in Europe, Bird said he spoke to CEO Donnie Walsh daily. Bird wondered whether he needed to return early but decided against it because he and Walsh weren't going to make a quick trade.

    Artest, who did not return a phone message Monday, remains on the inactive list.

    His agent, Mark Stevens, said he spoke Monday with Walsh and "everything stands in the same place."
    "(The trade) could happen tomorrow; it could be two weeks from now," Stevens said.


    Bird and Walsh will continue to seek a trade this week. Bird said they prefer to trade Artest to a Western Conference team. The Denver Post reported the Nuggets are one of the teams interested in what could be a multi-team deal for Artest. Other Western Conference teams rumored to be interested include the Los Angeles Clippers, Minnesota and Golden State.

    "Any time you deal a player you would like him to go out of the conference," Bird said. "We're looking at the West, but if it's the East, that's how it's going to be. Whether we get a draft choice or a player, we're going to make sure it's the right deal. We've done enough to back Ronnie. We're in a position where we have to protect the franchise now."

    Bird knows losing Artest will hurt, but he said the team chemistry will be better without the constant distractions.

    "I'm not going to say we're better, that's not going to happen when you lose a player like Ronnie," he said. "As far as chemistry goes, we're a lot better. We're still deep. We have some emotional guys, but we'll be fine."

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    Let's make a deal
    Ian Thomsen, SI.com


    It's a rare thing when a player as talented as Ron Artest goes on the market, as he did this week when the Indiana Pacers declared their intention to trade him.

    Pacers president Donnie Walsh told SI.com on Friday that a majority of NBA teams had called to explore trades for Artest and that "most of them were making offers." Though Artest's agent has talked of desire to mend his relationship with Indiana, Walsh said that he was continuing to pursue a trade -- "as of right now," he added, as if to signal that reconciliation was possible.

    But it's hard to imagine Artest returning to Indiana for two reasons. First, not only do his teammates feel that he stabbed them in the back by demanding to be traded after many of them had sacrificed portions of their salaries and careers while rallying to Artest's defense last season in the Detroit brawl, but, second, their feelings of betrayal extend all the way up the chain of command to the team's owners. The Simon brothers appealed personally to commissioner David Stern for a reduction of Artest's suspension. After supporting him for the last year in spite of the havoc he created, you can be sure they feel that Artest owed them better than to impulsively demand a trade in the Indianapolis Star.

    The other factor is Indiana's $79 million payroll, fourth-highest in the league. Walsh admits that he wants to trim it back, with the result that suitors for Artest may be asked to take on the contracts of Austin Croshere (owed $15.2 million through next season) and/or Anthony Johnson ($8 million over three years).

    Artest is a kinder, gentler version of Marvin "Bad News"" Barnes. No small forward playing now is more gifted at both ends of the court, yet his exceptional talent comes with a foreboding of imminent disaster. "What happens if you trade a good young player for Ron," says an Eastern Conference executive whose team has been involved in preliminary negotiations with the Pacers for Artest, "and then in February he decides he's going to become a rap mogul and that he's no longer going to play for you? He's a hard guy to trade for."

    Here are five potential trades involving Artest. I'm not saying that these have been considered by the Pacers, but they raise intriguing possibilities:

    Artest and Johnson to the Lakers for Andrew Bynum, Devean George and Medvedenko

    Most people think that the Pacers would want to replace Artest with Lamar Odom, but two factors could work against Odom: (1) He's a high-maintenance star with a history of off-court issues himself, and (2) he's making $11.5 million this season -- almost $5 million more than Artest -- with three more years to go at $40 million remaining. But do the Pacers really want to take on additional salary by acquiring Odom?

    A trade involving Bynum would enable them to escape their long-term commitments to Johnson and Artest ($29 million over four years) in exchange for the expiring contracts of George and Medvedenko, who would provide a combined $8 million in payroll relief when they become free agents this summer. George would help Pacers rookie Danny Granger fill in at small forward for Artest, and Medvedenko would give them another big body for the playoffs, but the key to the trade would be Bynum, the No. 10 pick in the draft who could develop into a useful 7-footer by the time Jermaine O'Neal is 30.

    Remember when Walsh traded All-Star Dale Davis for the untested O'Neal in 2000? Hidden somewhere on an NBA roster -- it might be Bynum, it might be somebody else -- is a young talent whom Walsh and Bird believe could blossom into the next O'Neal. The Pacers may be able to acquire him by using Artest as bait, while trimming payroll along the way.

    The Lakers need to be careful, however. If Artest wants out because he isn't becoming an All-Star scorer in Indiana, then how is he ever going to get enough shots playing alongside Kobe Bryant and Odom? But those fears would be mitigated by Artest's post-up game as well as his defensive role as the antidote to Manu Ginobili. Any team that dreams of getting past the Spurs needs to come up with someone to snuff out Ginobili -- and Artest is that someone, which explains why every NBA contender should consider taking a gamble on him.

    Artest and Johnson to the Warriors for Troy Murphy and Mike Dunleavy

    Murphy would provide the Pacers with a big young body who's tough, a solid rebounder and has range from outside. Murphy is a base-year player, so Dunleavy's contract would have to be included. The Pacers could try to trim payroll by unloading Dunleavy to a team that is under the cap.

    Another potential trade with the Warriors would send Artest and Johnson to Golden State for Murphy, Mickael Pietrus and Calbert Cheaney. While that deal would help the Pacers on the court, it would also create more red ink on their payroll and thus create more pressure to trim salary.

    Artest to the Clippers for Corey Maggette

    If Indiana wants to trade talent for talent, then this could be their best deal. The Pacers would become a more dangerous team offensively by complementing O'Neal with Maggette (21.7 ppg), who is one of the most athletically-gifted small forwards in the league. Their defense wouldn't have to suffer, either: The Clippers currently have the No. 1 field-goal defense in the league with Maggette playing 34.0 minutes per game.

    Making Artest especially attractive to owner Donald T. Sterling is his marriage of celebrity combined with relatively cheap salary. In future seasons Artest could turn out to be a disaster, but these are the Clippers: It's going to end disastrously for them anyway, so they might as well go for it this year knowing that the addition of Artest could elevate them to the No. 2 team in the West this season.

    Artest to Orlando for the rights to Fran Vasquez

    Other players would have to be involved -- and probably a third team as well -- because the Magic already have Grant Hill at small forward and would want to keep prodigy Dwight Howard as far away as possible from the influences of Artest. But a trade like this would enable Indiana to save money while acquiring a talent for the future in 6-foot-10 Vasquez, the No. 11 pick of the draft who chose to remain in Spain rather than sign with Orlando last summer. It so happens that Bird is scouting in Spain this week, though Walsh says he went there primarily to see several young prospects for the upcoming draft.

    Artest and Johnson to the Hornets for P.J. Brown

    If the Pacers decide to go for a championship now, then Brown could resolve two areas of need: He would provide help up front to O'Neal in the playoffs against Miami and Detroit, and he would serve as a soothing influence in the locker room for a team that desperately needs to calm down after years of Artest-induced histrionics. In all his years of playing for the Hornets, Brown was one of the few players who never griped in public -- even when the ownership of George Shinn and Ray Wooldridge created a lot to complain about.

    Updated on Friday, Dec 16, 2005 5:04 pm EST
    http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slu...nnsi&type=lgns

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    I find it interesting Walsh did make a couple of comments seeming to leave the door ajar (if only a crack) for an Artest return and I don't think the local media printed that portion of his comments. I'm not sure what that means.... if anything.

    Ex: What does "I'll look to see if you can be traded" mean? What other option is there in a realistic sense? Coming back? Sitting until his contract runs out? Having his contract voided?

    And the caveat where Walsh said he was continuing to pursue a trade "as of right now" is interesting in that same regard.

    Where's Peck? I'm sure he'll remember if these caveats and cracks were reported locally.

    You can also see Bird talking about draft picks in the "Betrayed" article just after his return from Europe.

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    bball, i thought of putting together an "artest saga timeline" when i read your post earlier. didn't realize you'd go ahead and do it. anyway, since i've already put in the work , here is my compilation. mostly direct quotes from donnie and larry from the star or pacers.com.

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    Dec. 11

    Artest: "I still think my past haunts me here. I think somewhere else I'm starting fresh. I'm coming in with baggage, but people already know about it and how I'm going to be. Either they're going to be for me or they're not going to trade for me. Here I think my past haunts me. I think they will be a better team without me."

    Dec. 12

    O'Neal: "I fully think management should do their best at the highest level to move a player that doesn't want to be here. If he doesn't want to be here, he's not going to give his full effort. It's already tough enough to go through an 82-game season with so many different problems. The one problem you can't have is anybody that says they don't want to be here.

    Dec. 13

    Walsh: "I think Ronnie came out with something that made a lot of sense to me, and that is he's always living down his past in this franchise. I do think it's time to break apart and get a new start somewhere else."

    Star: Walsh said he considered retaining Artest after learning about his request on Saturday, but once Artest repeated his desire to play elsewhere over the weekend, Walsh "changed my thoughts on that."

    Star: Pacers CEO Donnie Walsh said Monday he'll try to grant Artest's request, but emphasized he'll remain selective. He might not be able to get equal value in return, but he'll insist on a trade that makes long-term sense.

    Walsh: "Whatever the best option is, that's what we'll go for. You're always conscious of position and where you need help, but we have a pretty deep roster. Whatever the option is, if it's out there and it works for us, we'll take it."

    Dec. 16

    Star: Walsh didn't have much of an update Thursday, which is how it goes during trade talks. Until something can be agreed upon, it's all just friendly conversation. Walsh has talked with representatives from 15-20 teams. In most cases, he took the call rather than placed it, but offers have not been made in every conversation. He's resigned to the fact he won't get a player or players as talented as Artest. He's just hoping to get as close as possible, and it seems likely he'll have to work a deal involving more than two teams.

    Dec. 17

    Walsh: "If we don't get a deal to our liking, we'll leave him on the inactive list."

    Dec. 18

    Artest: "I should have been a man and spoken with coach (Rick Carlisle) about my differences with him. Yes, I would like to return to the team."

    O'Neal: "We talked as a team and we feel like we need to move on. As I've been saying, the business relationship is over."

    Dec. 19

    Walsh: "There's been a lot of activity in the last week in terms of interest. This week I'm just trying to narrow it down to see what's do-able. I don't think there's a time pressure on this. … He could remain on the inactive list until we find a trade."

    Walsh: "I'm going to assume I'm not going to get a player as good as Ronnie. But I can't put the team in position where it eats up the cap for future years. … If we trade Ronnie, whatever we do for this year cannot hurt the future."

    Dec. 22

    Walsh: "(A deal) could happen this week, but my feeling is that it won't happen."

    Dec. 27

    Bird: "I think enough is enough. I think Ronnie will do fine but not here."

    Star: While in Europe, Bird said he spoke to CEO Donnie Walsh daily. Bird wondered whether he needed to return early but decided against it because he and Walsh weren't going to make a quick trade.

    Bird: "Any time you deal a player you would like him to go out of the conference. We're looking at the West, but if it's the East, that's how it's going to be. Whether we get a draft choice or a player, we're going to make sure it's the right deal. We've done enough to back Ronnie. We're in a position where we have to protect the franchise now."

    Bird: "I'm not going to say we're better, that's not going to happen when you lose a player like Ronnie. As far as chemistry goes, we're a lot better. We're still deep. We have some emotional guys, but we'll be fine."

    Dec. 29

    Bird: "It's going to take time. We can't get it done overnight because we're not dealing with one or two teams, we're dealing with 14 or 15 and you get new calls every day. We feel we can be very patient with this and once we make our decision, we're going to do it and move ahead."

    Star: As for Artest, his agent told The Associated Press on Wednesday the player has accepted that he's played his final game for the Pacers. Team president Larry Bird's recent statements to The Star that he felt "betrayed" made it clear to Artest the Pacers would not let him return, agent Mark Stevens said.

    Dec. 30

    Bird: "Close? I don't know. There's so many offers out there and so many things going on. We are trying to narrow it down to what's best for our team and which way to go. It's not like it's a two-team trade; there's like 14 teams. Some of it's B.S., some of it's for real. I don't think we ever felt we had to get something done in a week, or two weeks or three weeks. We'll see what happens. It could get done tomorrow, but it could get done two or three weeks from now."

    Bird: "It depends on what players are offered. The owners have a say in this, too. They want to do the right thing. If we get a good offer, we'll probably take the player. If we don't get good offers, we'll probably take the (draft) choice and do more scouting this winter and prepare for the draft. I think we'll get a good player out of this."

    O'Neal: "Guys are wondering who we're going to get; they're wondering are they going to be here. We may have to put somebody in the trade to make the trade work. It's a lot of things that come into play."

    Jan. 7

    Bird: "We're talking to teams, but to say we're going to put a date on it, we're not. We're getting some good offers, but we're talking about an All-Star player."

    Bird: "I can't guarantee all our guys are going to be here, but the way we've been talking it seems like it will be a one-player-for-one or one-for-two trade. We'd like to keep all of our players."

    Star: Bird and Walsh believe their options will improve as the Feb. 23 trade deadline approaches, as teams get a better handle on their prospects for this and future seasons.

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    just for kicks, since people here claim vecsey has the most accurate pacer info around, i also put together a "vecsey version"

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    Dec. 16 (NY Post article)

    That's why half the NBA is petrified to add Artest to their mix despite a relatively inexpensive outlay. The Pacers know they can't get equal value, thus they're willing to accept a young talent or two vs. an established veteran in hopes of getting a deal done swiftly.

    Dec. 17 (NBATV, courtesy of Uncle Buck)

    Pacers would like to trade Artest and acquire Al Harrington. But the Hawks don't want Ron. So right now the Pacers are looking for a third team to enter the picture. Vescey said Al is who the Pacers really want and they will explore getting him, everything else is kinda on hold right now until they exhaust trying to get Al.

    Dec. 31 (NBATV, courtesy of Uncle Buck)

    Just was watching NBATV, Vescey was on. Friday night 8:45 Indy time. Lakers and Pacers are talking Artest for Odom.

    Vescey is saying the problems between Kobe and Odom is a lot worse then anyone is admitting. And don't believe the bogus report today out of LA about the Lakers not trading Odom. Lakers security had to separate the two on the team bus and they (security) had to stay on the bus to keep them separated. Vescey painted a very disturbing picture of Kobe.

    Kobe wanted Artest, Phil wants Artest and talks have intensified and the Lakers know they have to give up Odom in order to get Artest.

    Vescey is saying the talks have picked up today.

    Jan. 3 (NY Post article)

    I'm told an outraged David Stern lodged a complaint with the Pacers concerning management's ruling to place Ron Artest on the inactive list indefinitely. Sources say Phil Jackson has coveted Artest since he took the job. Kobe, too, is heavily endorsing his procurement as well. Yet management continues to resist sacrificing Lamar Odom, their only means of obtaining Tru Warier.

    Having written that, when Indiana finally cuts its umbilical cord to Artest, there is a chance it may make a luxury-tax type decision that would give the Lakers and other suitors some maneuvering room; you know, settle for draft picks, expiring contracts, perhaps even the Suns' $3.6M trade exception (they're looking to be chosen into any deal if it'll get them another shooter) vs. demanding relatively equal talent owning an extended warranty. Part of that design would be trying to recruit Latrell Sprewell for the remainder of the season.

    In the meantime, an L.A. source reveals my Paper Clips, rather than give in to the temptation to turn over chronically injured Corey Maggette (averaged 59 games in seven seasons) to the Hawks in a three-pronged package that would've netted them Artest (with Al Harrington returning to Indy) asked Sam Cassell to reach out to his former T'wolves' teammate.

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    When a deal is made the news will be everywhere, so I'm not going to lose a wink of sleep in the meantime.

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    Donnie said right after Artest's trade demand he expected to get it done within 10 days. Every week after that he's said he's "narrowing it down". We've gotten multiple reports from other teams that they were told by Donnie the trade would go down by the end of this week or that week. The media are not the ones putting artificial timetables on this, the Pacers are, because they're trying to create demand that simply isn't there.

    On the contrary, we don't have any reports from other teams about a timeline for trades. Not that I know of!

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    On the contrary, we don't have any reports from other teams about a timeline for trades. Not that I know of!
    I'm not gonna do a search, but one example I clearly remember is hearing Sam Smith telling Tony Kornheiser that multiple teams told him Donnie told them he'd make a decision by Christmas. If you want to blame that on "the media", that's your perogative.
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    Nice work wintermute!
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    We're talking to teams, but to say we're going to put a date on it, we're not," Bird said in a telelphone interview Friday. "We're getting some good offers, but we're talking about an All-Star player.
    "We'd like for it to be over with so Ron can get back to playing and we can get going. But from the beginning our strategy has been that a trade has to be right for our franchise. To me it's like Ronnie's injured."Bird said he's open to trading for a player at any position. The most likely scenario is obtaining one or two players for Artest, as opposed to a larger deal involving other Pacers. Bird doesn't rule out any possibility.
    "What's interesting is that you'll be talking about the Ronnie trade and (other teams) bring up other players," Bird said."I can't guarantee all our guys are going to be here, but the way we've been talking it seems like it will be a one-player-for-one or one-for-two trade. We'd like to keep all of our players."
    Bird and Walsh believe their options will improve as the Feb. 23 trade deadline approaches, as teams get a better handle on their prospects for this and future seasons.
    What I think is interesting here.. Walsh has expressed many of times, he realizes we are not going to get equal value. However, Bird says hey we are talking about a All- Star player here.. also .. the part where he says it's interesting that teams are talking to them about other Pacer players when Ron's name comes up.. Now what is so interesting about that.. we all know AJ or Fred or someone like that was bound to thrown in. I think wording is curious if he says it's "interesting" I would read into that players like Granger, Sarunas, Foster, Tinsley perhaps are coming up in the conversation .. not saying they are going anywhere but that is what I read into that.

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