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    http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepu...unsnb0108.html

    Phoenix is not in the mix to acquire Indiana's Ron Artest but could be part of the equation that moves Artest somewhere.

    The Suns have contacted Indiana just to let the Pacers know that they would make their $3.6 million trade exception available as part of a possible trade if it would get the Suns a player they like or some other compensation that makes it worthwhile.

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    While Ron Artest is starting to doubt whether Indiana will trade him this season, the Pacers have made it clear they will at least get a draft pick out of this. There are 14 teams involved in scenarios but Golden State, Denver, Minnesota and the Los Angeles Lakers remain his most likely destinations.

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    Interesting......I remember Eric_Pincus posting something here about Phoenix possibly getting involved as a minor partner in a 3 team trade involving the Lakers.

    Obviously...it doesn't mean that the rumored Laker deal that he mentioned involving Phoenix is the one that will happen.

    But this does open up some interesting possiblilities.
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    Here's a quote attributed to ESPN's Ric Bucher from Saturday night according to someone on the Warriors board:

    He said something like Indy needs to realize they're not going to get equal value. They may take it to the trading deadline but... They're not gonna get a Corey Maggette. They're not gonna get a Lamar Odom. They're not gonna get Troy Murphy-Michael Pietrus
    "I'll always be a part of Donnie Walsh."
    -Ron Artest, Denver Post, 12.28.05

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    If it comes to the deadline and the best offer we get for Artest is some expiring contracts and a few draft picks, I'd take it rather than wait until the summer. I don't see how waiting for the summer would improve his value at all, but it would give him plenty of time damage the team more by running his mouth.
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    -Ron Artest, Denver Post, 12.28.05

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    To be fair - Vecsey was the first to mention the Suns as a trade partner. He hinted it in the context of the Lakers - but he also meant it generally.

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    http://www.latimes.com/sports/basket...adlines-sports


    The Warriors Should Be Warier
    Mark Heisler
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    January 8, 2006

    And the winner of the Ron Artest derby is …

    Here's some bad news for all involved. With Artest, there usually are no winners, including Ronnie.

    The Golden State Warriors are now considered the front-runners to land him. He might even save their season and deliver them to the playoffs for the first time since 1994.

    On the other hand, they'd better enjoy it because after that, they're in for the ride of their lives.

    This has been going on for seven seasons, since Artest was a rookie in Chicago and tried to get a part-time job at Circuit City for discounts on his gear since the Bulls didn't play on Sundays. He was making more than $1 million, but it reportedly was going to a wide circle of relatives, friends and hangers-on.

    That might have meant only that he was confused as well as good-hearted, but whatever it was, by his third season the Bulls had had enough. They put him in a seven-player deal with Brad Miller and sent him to Indiana for Jalen Rose.

    (Talk about your deals that wound up helping no one. As soon as Artest leaves, all seven players will have changed teams again.)

    Artest became a star and a unique one. The league's best perimeter defender, he was quick enough at 6 feet 7, 260 pounds to stay with guards and so tough, teammate Reggie Miller said most players were afraid of him. Artest could not only score 20 points, he could knock 10 off the other team's total and shut its star down in crunch time.

    This should have made him a superstar. Instead, it just made him crazier. The real problem wasn't that Artest needed help, but that he wouldn't accept it. Doctors prescribed antidepressants, but he wouldn't stay on them.

    He was likable and soft-spoken, but in down moods, he challenged teammates, destroyed a TV in a Madison Square Garden hall, squared off on the sideline with Miami Coach Pat Riley and committed one flagrant foul after another while the league toted up his suspensions like a checker in a grocery store.

    He was suspended six times in the 2002-03 season (five by the league, once by the Pacers) for 12 games, costing him more than $250,000 in salary and $150,000 in fines.

    He was better behaved the next season as the Pacers won 61 games to finish No. 1 in the East. It lasted right up until Game 6 of the conference finals, when they were eliminated after his flagrant foul sent Detroit's Rip Hamilton to the line to make the free throws that put the Pistons ahead to stay.

    Then came last season, all seven games of it. Artest was just back after being suspended by the team for asking for time off to promote his record label's new CD when he went into the stands at Auburn Hills, Mich., starting the melee that got him suspended for the season by Commissioner David Stern.

    Incredibly, the Pacers gave him one more chance. Nobody does contrition like Artest, who gets a lot of practice, but teammates Jermaine O'Neal and Stephen Jackson went to bat for him, going to management and asking to stay together.

    Artest never stopped being Artest. On May 19, after the Pacers were eliminated by Detroit in the first round, the Pistons were sitting on their bus when a car swept down the ramp in the Conseco Fieldhouse garage and screeched to a halt. Out jumped Artest, who proceeded to rip off his T-shirt and stomp around in his gym shorts before security people flooded the area.

    Artest's last chance lasted 16 games, until Dec. 4, when he announced he hated Coach Rick Carlisle's offense and wanted to be traded. He changed his mind days later, whereupon his agent, Mark Stevens, made plaintive pleas through the media, trying to butter up the Pacers, calling executive Larry Bird "a legend" and President Donnie Walsh "a gentleman and a scholar."

    The Pacers weren't unmoved — "When I look back on this, I'll never be mad at Ronnie, I'll always feel bad for him," Walsh said last week — but they weren't bringing him back, either.

    They're still picking up the pieces, 7-7 since Artest left, meaning he may have just single-handedly ended their title hopes for the third season in a row.

    Of course, the Warriors have been picking up the pieces for 12 years. This season's fast start has slowed, they're dying for a low-post threat like Artest and they have prospects they can deal in Ike Diogu and Mickael Pietrus.

    Unfortunately, Coach Mike Montgomery is already at odds with Baron Davis, who seems beyond his or anyone's control, hoisting up six three-pointers a game while making 30.7%. If they get Artest, you may be able to time the rest of Montgomery's stay with a stopwatch.

    With General Manager Chris Mullin unavailable (assuming he still works there since he rarely speaks and hasn't even been seen recently), Montgomery said he was in the dark.

    "Picture me as Sgt. Schultz." Montgomery said. "I know nothing."

    Meanwhile, the San Jose Mercury News' Tim Kawakami was already speculating about possible successors: former coach Don Nelson, current assistants Keith Smart and Mario Elie.

    And Artest isn't even there yet!

    He may well give them a great season, as he did when he arrived in Indiana, but after that they're on their own. Artest, who's nothing if not hard-nosed, might not care for Davis' flashy style either and, being Ronnie, might mention it to him.

    On the other hand, the Warriors won't be unnoticed any longer.

    Faces And Figures

    The SuperSonics, who wanted a players' coach after hard-driving Nate McMillan booted the team to 52 wins and then left, decided that Bob Weiss was too nice, firing him after he started 13-17. Because they're still thought to owe Weiss $4 million for putting in three months' work, he probably didn't even mind…. Interim Coach Bob Hill, cracking down, announced: "They talked too much in practice and concentration wasn't good there. Little things like that. Really, winning in the NBA boils down to little details." … Actually, winning in the NBA boils down to good players and good coaches. No one expected the SuperSonics to win 52 games last season and no one expects them to get anywhere close any time soon.

    Louisville Coach Rick Pitino, six years after the end of his nightmare run with the Celtics, told the Boston Herald: "You have a place that you love and your whole family loves and now it's probably gone for me. I'd love to just go in for the weekend and run around the Charles [River] and go to the restaurants but I don't feel welcome, true or untrue. It makes me feel that I'm missing out. I'd love to go back and probably most everyone would be gracious. But it only takes five or 10 people to say the wrong thing and ruin your day." … Pitino's son, Richard, is an assistant at Northeastern in Boston. "He was born there," Pitino said. "He grew up there. He loves it. I said to him, 'Well, there are a lot of people there who don't think your dad did a very good job.' And he said, 'I wasn't too happy with the Chauncey Billups trade, so I'm on their side.' "

    Dallas Maverick owner Mark Cuban, continuing his obsession with the referees, is upset that the Pistons and San Antonio Spurs, both tough defensive teams, have been called for the fewest fouls in the league. Not surprisingly, it's spilling over to his team, creating a cop-out mentality. Coach Avery Johnson now blames society because Dirk Nowitzki gets only 7.2 free throws a game, although that puts him in the league's top 20. "I don't know what we have to do to get him catapulted and change the perception of who he is," Johnson said. "He's a legitimate superstar. It's just that we're living in a world where it's style over substance."

    Houston Rocket Coach Jeff Van Gundy, after the debut of rookie John Lucas III, a 5-9, 154-pound guard from Oklahoma State: "I'm not afraid to put him in. He's a confident guy. He's a serious professional. He's smart. I'm always worried about guards who weigh less than me, but he's got heart. I'll take heart in this league." … Dialogue between Stephon Marbury and Knick beat writers last week. Q: Do you think the team needs a set rotation? A: No comment. Q: Do you recall your comment a year ago that you were the best point guard in the league? A: No comment. Q: Do you still believe that? A: No comment.

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    Here's a quote attributed to ESPN's Ric Bucher from Saturday night according to someone on the Warriors board:
    He said something like Indy needs to realize they're not going to get equal value. They may take it to the trading deadline but... They're not gonna get a Corey Maggette. They're not gonna get a Lamar Odom. They're not gonna get Troy Murphy-Michael Pietrus
    He should STF up and realize that Odom, Maggette are not equal value to Ron and that MOST Indiana fans and management have accepted that players of that magnitude aren't going to be coming over to us.

    We are very likely to accept offers WELL below what Ron is worth, so stating that we should realize that is idiotic, maybe he thinks a fair deal would be 2 round picks and Devean George expiring deal or some garbage like that. Well, I think Bird and Walsh are doing the right thing in waiting and staying patient, I rather waite and get atleast something better then what we have apparently been offered. Ron can be had for relatively cheap, but if all we are getting offered are garbage minute players and late first or second rounders then I would rather bench him until the summer and see what we could get then, because such a deal would not make us better in anyway with the team as contrued now without Ron.

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    didn't notice this posted anywhere already...

    http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/st...p-323395c.html

    The Artest of time

    Golden State wants Ron Artest, even if he looks like a questionable fit with coach Mike Montgomery in only his second NBA season and the Warriors lacking strong personalities in the locker room to keep Artest in place. So far, the Warriors haven't been amenable to including rookie Ike Diogu in a package to the Pacers.

    In considering some slim pickings being offered for Artest, the Pacers have been firm in their demands for a young player with lots of potential. They like Diogu, a 6-8 forward taken ninth overall last June. But the Warriors are reluctant to deal him, since he is one of their few players who can play in the post.

    Indiana seems to be more enamored with Diogu than Troy Murphy, whose outside shooting would be a perfect fit with Jermaine O'Neal. The Pacers are said to be against taking Murphy's remaining contract (five years, $50 million). They've told potential suitors that they want to shed contracts and lower their luxury tax. That's why they're looking to package what they consider bad contracts when they move Artest.

    "The Pacers want to do what they did with Dale Davis," said one Western Conference exec. "They got a young guy with upside, Jermaine O'Neal, for Davis, and that turned into a grand slam. Now, if they continue to lose, maybe they'll want more of a ready-made guy."

    The Pacers don't think they're going to hit another one out of the park if they cut a deal with Denver and Minnesota. Neither team has a young stud like Diogu. Last week, Minnesota owner Glen Taylor, knowing that Kevin Garnett still isn't happy with the current roster, didn't rule out a deal for Artest, but questioned whether the Pacers outcast could fit in. Meanwhile, as Denver coach George Karl spoke in glowing terms about Artest, the Nuggets quietly sent out feelers about Chicago's disgruntled guard, Ben Gordon. Maybe that's a sign that Denver knows it can't get Artest. But as sour as things have turned for the Bulls, they don't want to move Gordon.
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    -Ron Artest, Denver Post, 12.28.05

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    Kaunas Žalgiris released Larry Elias Ayuso yesterday. Now they have just two New Yorkers on their roster and an empty starting shooting guard position...

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    Kings notes: Miller offers some insight into Pacer's world
    The Kings' center recalls a visit to the hometown of Artest and says his former teammate is 'a great guy.'
    By Sam Amick -- Bee Staff Writer
    Published 2:15 am PST Sunday, January 8, 2006
    Long before the sports world went searching for ways to understand Ron Artest, Brad Miller was already on the mission.
    It was late April of 2002, and the two Indiana Pacers teammates were in New Jersey to face the Nets in the first round. With Queensbridge, N.Y., not too far away, Miller decided to join Artest on a trip to his hometown.

    "I went to Queensbridge with him ... to get a feel of where he's coming from," said Miller, who played with Artest in Chicago before being traded with him to Indiana two months before the visit. "I always like to learn a lot about people's background, to see what they've been through."

    Did the day-trip help him understand Artest?

    "I don't think it did," said Miller, traded from the Pacers to the Kings before the 2003-04 season. "Pretty much as long as you didn't get shot there, it wasn't too bad. You've got like 10 playground sets on each little block. Definitely, when the sun started to go down, it was time to leave."

    One season after playing a major role in the Detroit brawl between fans and players, Artest's request to be traded from Indiana on Dec. 10 has created quite another headache for the Pacers. In every city along the way, there are questions and speculation about where Artest might go and how his teammates are coping. Miller said it's an unfortunate scenario for all involved.

    "It's hard with Ron, because he is such a great guy," Miller said. "It's hard to watch a guy that's that talented. All he really cares about is basketball, in and out. That's all he lives and dies for."

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    Big-time talent, bigger headache
    Ron Artest frustrates the Pacers to the point of no return
    By Joe Davidson -- Bee Staff Writer
    Published 2:15 am PST Sunday, January 8, 2006
    Jilted at the altar.
    Stood up by a leading man and left with wilted flowers and broken promises. Pelted with a stink bomb.

    That's what it felt like for the Indiana Pacers. The Ron Artest saga - equal parts drama, despair and destruction - and once confined within the organization now has become the Ron Ripple Effect, leaguewide.

    With Artest stashed away on the inactive list like a bundle of trouble, out of harm's way, the Pacers frantically work the phones in an effort to deal one of the NBA's best players. He's also one of the NBA's most troubled talents, making for one complex package. They look forward to shedding his name and image, to bandage up the gash and march forward.

    But Artest looms. They can't escape him. He's not in the locker room, he's not with the team as it heads into Arco Arena tonight, yet his name comes up every 54 seconds or so, and never accompanied by appreciation. Clenched jaws and raw emotions? Plenty of that.

    "Considering what we've gone through, with Ron asking to get out of here, I don't know how many teams could deal with it," Pacers All-Star center Jermaine O'Neal said. "You've got a city on fire about it, an organization on fire about it. Last year was something no pro team has ever had to deal with, the brawl and the suspensions, and it's still lingering. We stuck by Ron, and then he said he didn't want to be here. That was the last straw. That was just it. When you say you don't want to be with your team, that you want to play somewhere else, that's a fine line you cannot cross in pro sports.

    "You've got guys here in the locker room who totally don't appreciate it. We've got to move on."

    Artest forever will be linked to that brawl, in which he barreled into the stands at Detroit early last season to ignite one of the most horrific scenes in sports history. He was slapped with a 73-game suspension and a sullen reputation. Until the Pacers can rid themselves of Artest, they also will be linked to that incident.

    Time seemed to be a sound remedy. After an offseason of good vibes, of being mutually embraced by the franchise, the fans and his teammates and an encouraging early season, Artest reached for the stink bomb. Before talking to his teammates, he told the Indianapolis Star last month that he wanted to be traded, that his past haunts him. Pacers president of basketball operations Larry Bird said he felt "betrayed."

    By the time Artest tried to take it all back, it was too late.

    He'd fractured a franchise.

    In his wake, Artest has left a team already besieged with injuries and illness staggering to right itself, to hold onto the railing. The Pacers have gone 7-6 since Artest last played Dec. 6, and Thursday's inspired triumph at Golden State moved them to 17-13. By the time the Pacers return home Wednesday from their current four-game road trip, Artest could be gone.

    Any number of teams are interested in acquiring the former Defensive Player of the Year, though the Kings don't appear to be one of them.

    "We're talking to teams, but to say we're going to put a date on it, we're not," Bird told the Star in Saturday editions. "We're getting some good offers, but we're talking about an All-Star player."

    The Pacers insist they'll be patient, making sure they get the right deal before the trade deadline Feb. 23.

    Indianapolis is an NBA city much like Sacramento - a small market, painstakingly loyal. Pacers fans, like Kings supporters, stick by their players - until they get stuck back. Fans wore "Free Artest" shirts last season. They welcomed back the 6-foot-7, 260-pound forward, as formidable as a boulder and as versatile as any player in the game, with ovations when this season started. Now they're ready to take any warm body in exchange.

    "He dumped on all of us, and you don't do that to fans like us," Richard Morris, 54, a Pacers follower for 25 years, said in an e-mail. "The Artest thing makes us look stupid. It's over with him."

    "The fans were disappointed," said Pacers center Scot Pollard, a former King. "Can't blame them. The fans feel cheated out of their money. We've really struggled at times this year. It's always exciting in Pacer-land, never a dull moment."

    Said Pacers president Donnie Walsh: "Our fans, they were taken back by Ronnie saying all that. It's been hard. I'm proud of how our players and coaches are hanging in there. They did that last year, and that situation was even worse."

    Walsh said every team faces some sort of adversity. Somehow, the Pacers went through the crash-course line twice.

    Indiana bounded into this season poised to make a championship run. All the pieces were in order, with O'Neal at center and Stephen Jackson on the wing and Rick Carlisle the coach. The question, of course, was Artest's frame of mind. Players approached Bird and asked him to keep the core together. Bird was on the same page. He even did a fall Sports Illustrated cover shoot with Artest, with Bird explaining that all seemed well again, that Artest was worth the gamble, that he was such a marvelous talent he'd even pay to watch him play. Talk about the ultimate SI jinx.

    O'Neal, anointed the new team leader after Reggie Miller retired last season, made it clear Artest wasn't welcomed back after his latest stint. He stands by that now, with conviction. So do his teammates.

    You can't find a Pacer who doesn't like Artest the person. They just don't like what he has to say.

    "He's not a bad guy, but he's an emotional guy, as many of us are," Pollard said. "His fault is he says things before he thinks it out and thinks about any repercussions. Other than that, he wants to play hard and do his job, and there's no question the guy can play."

    Said Walsh: "I feel bad for Ronnie. He speaks before he thinks. I'll never be mad at Ronnie, but sometimes I feel bad for him."

    O'Neal said he'll never figure out Artest.

    "Stephen Jackson and I, we've been through everything Ronnie's been through, every courtroom, everything to do with that brawl. I talked to Ron for a long time. Tried to understand. Told him I wished him the best of luck, that I think he's going to be fine. I would have loved to have seen it happen here, but it didn't."

    Carlisle has done his best work, amazingly, with Artest out of the fold, last season and now. He has drawn high praise around the league and from his own bench and bosses.

    "I can't imagine what he's going through," O'Neal said. "He's got the toughest job in pro sports, but he finds a way to keep things going."

    Has the Artest saga sucked any fun out of coaching the Pacers?

    "Depends on your definition of fun," Carlisle said. "When you sign up to be an NBA head coach, you always hope it's straight-up basketball. We've had some tough challenges. We're dealing with it, simple as that. They're not going to reschedule games because we've got things going on. That's something we found out last year. The Artest situation will resolve itself. The only thing I'll say is I'm disappointed the way it went down because I'm one of his biggest supporters."

    O'Neal, meanwhile, is eager to get back into the mix. He's the most visible man on the roster again, the best player with the largest contract forced to pick up the slack, as he did most of last season when Artest was suspended. He missed three games with pneumonia, managed to crawl out of bed Thursday afternoon and take a private jet to Oakland to join his team. In street clothes, he offered smiles and support as the Pacers polished off the Warriors 99-89, barely 24 hours after getting battered at Denver 106-86.

    The healing, O'Neal said, may have already started.

    "The guys have been really professional about all this," said O'Neal, who hopes to play tonight against the Kings. "That's the reason I wanted to get out here, to get out of the house, to be with the guys. It means a lot. My personality with the guys gave them a boost, and they give me a boost."


    Tonight's game

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    Slow day...

    Here's a post from today from our own DiamondDave00 over at the Warriors board:

    The Pacers do want Diogu , and Pietrus both and will accept Dunleavys deal if Ike and Mickael are offered. Artest and a package of anything but JO and Granger would be Walsh's responce.

    Diogu impressed them in workouts here prior to the draft.Everyone know Mully won't offer both tho.
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