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  • #31
    Re: Star}Welcome to the NBA, Sarunas

    Originally posted by Jermaniac
    Guess Jermaine should be traded too then.
    Jermaine did not jump in the stands...he defended himself and others on the floor on 11/19. That reflects his true character and why his suspension was reduced. Jermaine is not perfect, but he has class and intelligence which Jack lacks. ....at least Jermaine is smart enough to know Ron needs to go.

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    • #32
      Re: Star}Welcome to the NBA, Sarunas

      Originally posted by BlueNGold
      Jermaine did not jump in the stands...he defended himself and others on the floor on 11/19. That reflects his true character and why his suspension was reduced. Jermaine is not perfect, but he has class and intelligence which Jack lacks. ....at least Jermaine is smart enough to know Ron needs to go.
      Jack went in the stands and defended Ron and others. Whats your point? Jermaine hit people and Jack hit people who gives a **** where they hit them.

      Jack has been on NBA championship team and has been a starter in the NBA for many years. Sarunas is a back up PG and a rookie at that. He needs to keep his mouth shut and do what he is asked. Like Peck said you dont see Danny *****ing after every game about how he doesnt like playing the 4. After every damn game he is *****ing about something with the team.

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      • #33
        Re: Star}Welcome to the NBA, Sarunas

        Originally posted by BlueNGold
        Jermaine did not jump in the stands...he defended himself and others on the floor on 11/19. That reflects his true character and why his suspension was reduced. Jermaine is not perfect, but he has class and intelligence which Jack lacks. ....at least Jermaine is smart enough to know Ron needs to go.
        Jermaine was definitely trying to get up into the stands, you can ask the security guy he shoved over the scorers table as he was trying to get up into the stands.
        “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” - Winston Churchill

        “If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to serve as a horrible warning.” - Catherine Aird

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        • #34
          Re: Star}Welcome to the NBA, Sarunas

          Originally posted by Peck
          But I expressed the theory that this guy just needs to stop talking to the press so much. I don't care if he is not the typical rookie or not, he is still a rookie & as such I don't want to see article after article with the guy listing out all of his problems or lamenting the fact that the NBA doesn't play the game the way he thinks it should be played. .
          I'd be inclined to to agree with you if I didn't agree so much with what Sarunas is saying. At least he's being diplomatic.

          I feel like a rant this morning... I've been up too late and not everything is rosy for me right now anyway. Maybe I was blinded too much by the light and buried my darkside too much.



          I want the Pacers playing a cutting, passing, motion offense. I'm tired of pretending JO is better than he is and can be a one man wrecking crew. Let's make the other team play real defense and let's make them use their legs and chase us... fight thru screens... chase the ball reversals.... etc..

          Park the JO iso-ball. I'm tired of it.... I'm done with it... I don't think it is playing to this team's strengths at all. It's simply making us easier to defend, keeping players out of position for rebounds, and slowly exposing the flaws in our system and the people running it. Could it be we're "figured out"?

          If we have to run it to please JO then I'll help drive him to the airport or directly to his new city. If this is all Carlisle's idea then my apologies to JO and instead I'll help drive Carlisle out of town and give the new coach a ride back.

          And I'm a bit tired of Carlisle's insistence on always trying to matchup with the other team anyway. Let's try and make them counter us for a change. I don't like the egg timer for subsitutions either. And I don't like the favoritism he seems to show to some players.

          And this from the Star gives me some pause:
          Originally posted by Larry Bird from the Star
          Pacers president Larry Bird, who scouted Jasikevicius for two seasons before signing him to a three-year, $12 million contract last summer, relates to Jasikevicius' pain. He appreciates the European game more than the modern NBA game in some ways, too.

          "I feel for his frustration," Bird said. "I see it, too."

          "He's won three (European) championships. He's been on teams that are very unselfish, move the ball, and play hard every night."

          Bird's preference isn't for Jasikevicius to adapt to the NBA's robotic mold. It's to develop a Pacers team that more closely fits the European style, as Detroit and San Antonio do.

          "They're tied in, they play together, they go for the wins," Bird said. "I'd love our team to do that."
          Well, me too! But I can't do much about it BUT I would think with that title in front of your name there Larry that YOU could do LOTS about it. So what's the roadblock? DW won't actually give you the keys to the team? Carlisle is too good of a friend to fire or put on the hotseat? Do you have a player or two that 'needs' it to be like it is for their ego?

          And it's not like this season is going to the promised land anyway so why not start remolding the thing now? If we have to tear it down to build it back up, so be it. Grab the draft pick and use it well. If we make the playoffs without Iso Ball, then great... we can practice playing in the playoffs without it too.

          And the attitudes.... Management should have a handle on this stuff. If it's coaching causing good players to go bad, do something... If it's bad players with egos too large then do something there too. For the love of God, do something! How in the world did we end up with FOUR PG's? That's nice for training camp or summer league, but it's January. Obviously one of them wasn't thrilling someone in TPTB's offices so pull the friggin' trigger and make a move. What are we waiting on? Is the situation not festering enough yet? Can we maybe wait and polarize the players and fans some more?

          In my best Jim Mora voice: "Patience? PATIENCE??? PATIENCE???? Don't talk to me about PATIENCE!!!!"

          And as for Ron.... If nobody wants Artest, then keep him sitting and start looking at the rest of the roster. Pretend he's Bender and won't be playing no matter what. Focus the energies elsewhere.

          And speaking of injured players.... Somebody please figure out that if a player is constantly injured then he can't help the team. Not only can't he help the team from the bench or the rehab room, but he doesn't help the team when he finally does play and then goes right back to injured status after a game (or a few games (Hello Jamaal)). There's no consistency there at all for the team to build on or gel with and it creates other problems when other players keep getting jerked around starting/not starting/playing/not playing trying to fill in for oft injured players. Sure, everyone has to patch someone in a game or a few games over the course of a season, but they don't continually do it all season. Not back and forth.

          This team isn't on a championship track. I KNOW they won't be winning this year now... but they're not even putting up building blocks for one for next season... or the next.... Right now we're simply wasting time. Gaining nothing. Spinning our wheels. Wallowing in the middle. Barring some changes, at 'best' (depending on how you define 'best' because I'll accept the argument that the best thing now is getting a high draft pick) then we make the playoffs with a mid or lower seeding. Get knocked out.... and then get a mid to lower mid draft pick. Oh boy, vicious cycle time.

          OK... who's with me?

          ---
          There I feel better.... I think.... It's nice to get in touch with my darkside feelings every now and then.



          -Bball
          Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

          ------

          "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

          -John Wooden

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          • #35
            Re: Star}Welcome to the NBA, Sarunas

            Originally posted by Jermaniac
            Jack went in the stands and defended Ron and others. Whats your point? Jermaine hit people and Jack hit people who gives a **** where they hit them.

            Jack has been on NBA championship team and has been a starter in the NBA for many years. Sarunas is a back up PG and a rookie at that. He needs to keep his mouth shut and do what he is asked. Like Peck said you dont see Danny *****ing after every game about how he doesnt like playing the 4. After every damn game he is *****ing about something with the team.
            It all boils down to the team's immaturity. Just ask DD. Saras has a right to speak his mind and a right to speak the truth...even if it stings a little.

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            • #36
              Re: Star}Welcome to the NBA, Sarunas

              Its going to sting when one of our players goes up side his head too

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              • #37
                Re: Star}Welcome to the NBA, Sarunas

                Originally posted by Bball
                I'd be inclined to to agree with you if I didn't agree so much with what Sarunas is saying. At least he's being diplomatic.

                I feel like a rant this morning... I've been up too late and not everything is rosy for me right now anyway. Maybe I was blinded too much by the light and buried my darkside too much.



                I want the Pacers playing a cutting, passing, motion offense. I'm tired of pretending JO is better than he is and can be a one man wrecking crew. Let's make the other team play real defense and let's make them use their legs and chase us... fight thru screens... chase the ball reversals.... etc..

                Park the JO iso-ball. I'm tired of it.... I'm done with it... I don't think it is playing to this team's strengths at all. It's simply making us easier to defend, keeping players out of position for rebounds, and slowly exposing the flaws in our system and the people running it. Could it be we're "figured out"?

                If we have to run it to please JO then I'll help drive him to the airport or directly to his new city. If this is all Carlisle's idea then my apologies to JO and instead I'll help drive Carlisle out of town and give the new coach a ride back.

                And I'm a bit tired of Carlisle's insistence on always trying to matchup with the other team anyway. Let's try and make them counter us for a change. I don't let the egg timer for subsitutions either. And I don't like the favoritism he seems to show to some players.

                And this from the Star gives me some pause:


                Well, me too! But I can't do much about it BUT I would think with that title in front of your name there Larry that YOU could do LOTS about it. So what's the roadblock? DW won't actually give you the keys to the team? Carlisle is too good of a friend to fire or put on the hotseat? Do you have a player or two that 'needs' it to be like it is for their ego?

                And it's not like this season is going to the promised land anyway so why not start remolding the thing now? If we have to tear it down to build it back up, so be it. Grab the draft pick and use it well. If we make the playoffs without Iso Ball, then great... we can practice playing in the playoffs without it too.

                And the attitudes.... Management should have a handle on this stuff. If it's coaching causing good players to go bad, do something... If it's bad players with egos too large then do something there too. For the love of God, do something! How in the world did we end up with FOUR PG's? That's nice for training camp or summer league, but it's January. Obviously one of them wasn't thrilling someone in TPTB's offices so pull the friggin' trigger and make a move. What are we waiting on? Is the situation not festering enough yet? Can we maybe wait and polarize the players and fans some more?

                In my best Jim Mora voice: "Patience? PATINCE??? PATIENCE???? Don't talk to me about PATIENCE!!!!"

                And as for Ron.... If nobody wants Artest, then keep him sitting and start looking at the rest of the roster. Pretend he's Bender and won't be playing no matter what. Focus the energies elsewhere.

                And speaking of injured players.... Somebody please figure out that if a player is constantly injured then he can't help the team. Not only can't he help the team from the bench or the rehab room, but he doesn't help the team when he finally does play and then goes right back to injured status after a game (or a few games (Hello Jamaal)). There's no consistency there at all for the team to build on or gel with and it creates other problems when other players keep getting jerked around starting/not starting/playing/not playing trying to fill in for oft injured players. Sure, everyone has to patch someone in a game or a few games over the course of a season, but they don't continually do it all season. Not back and forth.

                This team isn't on a championship track. I KNOW they won't be winning this year now... but they're not even putting up building blocks for one for next season... or the next.... Right now we're simply wasting time. Gaining nothing. Spinning our wheels. Wallowing in the middle. Barring some changes, at 'best' (depending on how you define 'best' because I'll accept the argument that the best thing now is getting a high draft pick) then we make the playoffs with a mid or lower seeding. Get knocked out.... and then get a mid to lower mid draft pick. Oh boy, vicious cycle time.

                OK... who's with me?

                ---
                There I feel better.... I think.... It's nice to get in touch with my darkside feelings every now and then.



                -Bball

                Darkside or not, I'm a registered member of the brigade, but I actually agree with you.

                Regards,

                Mourning
                2012 PD ABA Fantasy Keeper League Champion, sports.ws

                2011 PD ABA Fantasy Keeper League Champion, sports.ws

                2006 PD ABA Fantasy League runner up, sports.ws

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                • #38
                  Re: Star}Welcome to the NBA, Sarunas

                  I agree with it too.

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                  • #39
                    Re: Star}Welcome to the NBA, Sarunas

                    Originally posted by Bball
                    I want the Pacers playing a cutting, passing, motion offense.
                    You mean, like The Quick.
                    Come to the Dark Side -- There's cookies!

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                    • #40
                      Re: Star}Welcome to the NBA, Sarunas

                      Originally posted by Bball
                      I'd be inclined to to agree with you if I didn't agree so much with what Sarunas is saying. At least he's being diplomatic.

                      I feel like a rant this morning... I've been up too late and not everything is rosy for me right now anyway. Maybe I was blinded too much by the light and buried my darkside too much.



                      I want the Pacers playing a cutting, passing, motion offense. I'm tired of pretending JO is better than he is and can be a one man wrecking crew. Let's make the other team play real defense and let's make them use their legs and chase us... fight thru screens... chase the ball reversals.... etc..

                      Park the JO iso-ball. I'm tired of it.... I'm done with it... I don't think it is playing to this team's strengths at all. It's simply making us easier to defend, keeping players out of position for rebounds, and slowly exposing the flaws in our system and the people running it. Could it be we're "figured out"?

                      If we have to run it to please JO then I'll help drive him to the airport or directly to his new city. If this is all Carlisle's idea then my apologies to JO and instead I'll help drive Carlisle out of town and give the new coach a ride back.

                      And I'm a bit tired of Carlisle's insistence on always trying to matchup with the other team anyway. Let's try and make them counter us for a change. I don't like the egg timer for subsitutions either. And I don't like the favoritism he seems to show to some players.

                      And this from the Star gives me some pause:


                      Well, me too! But I can't do much about it BUT I would think with that title in front of your name there Larry that YOU could do LOTS about it. So what's the roadblock? DW won't actually give you the keys to the team? Carlisle is too good of a friend to fire or put on the hotseat? Do you have a player or two that 'needs' it to be like it is for their ego?

                      And it's not like this season is going to the promised land anyway so why not start remolding the thing now? If we have to tear it down to build it back up, so be it. Grab the draft pick and use it well. If we make the playoffs without Iso Ball, then great... we can practice playing in the playoffs without it too.

                      And the attitudes.... Management should have a handle on this stuff. If it's coaching causing good players to go bad, do something... If it's bad players with egos too large then do something there too. For the love of God, do something! How in the world did we end up with FOUR PG's? That's nice for training camp or summer league, but it's January. Obviously one of them wasn't thrilling someone in TPTB's offices so pull the friggin' trigger and make a move. What are we waiting on? Is the situation not festering enough yet? Can we maybe wait and polarize the players and fans some more?

                      In my best Jim Mora voice: "Patience? PATIENCE??? PATIENCE???? Don't talk to me about PATIENCE!!!!"

                      And as for Ron.... If nobody wants Artest, then keep him sitting and start looking at the rest of the roster. Pretend he's Bender and won't be playing no matter what. Focus the energies elsewhere.

                      And speaking of injured players.... Somebody please figure out that if a player is constantly injured then he can't help the team. Not only can't he help the team from the bench or the rehab room, but he doesn't help the team when he finally does play and then goes right back to injured status after a game (or a few games (Hello Jamaal)). There's no consistency there at all for the team to build on or gel with and it creates other problems when other players keep getting jerked around starting/not starting/playing/not playing trying to fill in for oft injured players. Sure, everyone has to patch someone in a game or a few games over the course of a season, but they don't continually do it all season. Not back and forth.

                      This team isn't on a championship track. I KNOW they won't be winning this year now... but they're not even putting up building blocks for one for next season... or the next.... Right now we're simply wasting time. Gaining nothing. Spinning our wheels. Wallowing in the middle. Barring some changes, at 'best' (depending on how you define 'best' because I'll accept the argument that the best thing now is getting a high draft pick) then we make the playoffs with a mid or lower seeding. Get knocked out.... and then get a mid to lower mid draft pick. Oh boy, vicious cycle time.

                      OK... who's with me?

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                      -Bball

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                      • #41
                        Re: Star}Welcome to the NBA, Sarunas

                        I think Sarunas is just saying what most people dont want to hear. The current offense will not go very far in the playoffs because of too many Isolation plays and not enough passing, picknrolls and motion. I dont really know what needs to be done to make the offense better, but what I do know is that Stephen Jackson is not the answer as our shooting guard.
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                        • #42
                          Re: Star}Welcome to the NBA, Sarunas

                          NPFII said"I think that's what Bird's talking about. I think it reminds him of "his" Celtics in the '80s, and I think he's ready to "load the bus" in UB's words.
                          I also think that Saras is one of the best examples (if not THE best) of these differences, and is probably the 3rd piece on the new team (after JO & Granger) which will be built in these lines."

                          I believe there are some other players who could fit with the team concept.
                          Some of the remaining players are limited physically or mentally.
                          You can figure out who fits in what category. One thing this team needs is
                          more team speed especially in the shooting guard spot. I believe Granger has
                          the necessary speed to play faster. The Pacers need a finisher on the fast
                          break. It just seems like the Pacers have a very difficult time finishing on
                          the break. Foster runs and is a good player to keep. JO's role is to block shots and rebound and then immediately get the ball into the point guards
                          hands. Tinsley demands the ball and I believe Saras needs to do the same.
                          Too many times the wrong person brings the ball upcourt.

                          Is Ricky Davis good on the fast break. He strikes me as a more natural shooting guard than Jackson but can he run and finish on the fast break?


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                          • #43
                            Re: Star}Welcome to the NBA, Sarunas

                            Saras just doesn't complain about the offense and he doesn't just say his peace and move on. I'd be thrilled to read a Saras quote that isn't talking about style of play, his role on the team or the lack of passionate Israeli fans.

                            As to style of play the difference between the Pistons and Spurs and us isn't primarly the offense that they run. It's the fact they are better defensively and have better players who play in the majority of their games.

                            Also I don't get why the players are critized for the offense Rick runs. Perhaps they would be better team players if they broke the plays Rick called.
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                            • #44
                              Re: Star}Welcome to the NBA, Sarunas

                              Originally posted by Arcadian

                              Also I don't get why the players are critized for the offense Rick runs. Perhaps they would be better team players if they broke the plays Rick called.
                              You think they don't break them anyway?

                              -Bball
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                              • #45
                                Re: Star}Welcome to the NBA, Sarunas

                                Originally posted by Bball
                                And speaking of injured players.... Somebody please figure out that if a player is constantly injured then he can't help the team. Not only can't he help the team from the bench...........
                                I swear I just read in the Star that Jamaal told Stephen to spin baseline on the play that clinched the GS game........
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