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Star}Another town, another Artest trade rumor

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  • #16
    Re: Star}Another town, another Artest trade rumor

    Originally posted by GetOdom
    Yikes wait until the deadline? so thats atleast 3-4 weeks... Give me a break Walsh can be patient all he wants but fans can't... he either trades him or he puts him on the Inactive list.

    Walsh is starting to **** Pacer fans off and he doesn't even know it.


    He doesn't work for the fans.
    (and I guarantee he knows some are ticked off)

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    • #17
      Re: Star}Another town, another Artest trade rumor

      Originally posted by PacerMan
      He doesn't work for the fans.
      (and I guarantee he knows some are ticked off)
      True.

      But its not really wise to **** off your customers either. Well, at least not in most towns. In this city he can do what ever the hell he pleases.
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      • #18
        Re: Star}Another town, another Artest trade rumor

        The one thing that seems to be complicating matters are that after a team has made an offer and it hits the media rumor mill, another team steps up their offer. That has to make it difficult to pull the trigger on a deal.

        Gauging a team's true offer is difficult if and when this happens. Should they go ahead with the deal that is offered or wait and investigate the other team's 11th hour trade?

        I also think the Pacers are getting calls from teams that aren't interested in Artest but want to piggyback on the trade to get a player from another team envolved in the trade rumors. That has to complicate things - especially if the piggyback Team is offering a decent roleplayer that the Pacers or their trading partner wants.

        I really, really, really wanted this trade to over and done with a couple of weeks ago but I think it's a naive thing to think that this is an easy process.

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        • #19
          Re: Star}Another town, another Artest trade rumor

          Originally posted by Diamond Dave
          True.

          But its not really wise to **** off your customers either. Well, at least not in most towns. In this city he can do what ever the hell he pleases.
          See, this type of a post goes over the top from the Anti-Walsh crowd.

          Walsh is < Jerry West.
          Walsh is < Joe Dumars
          Walsh is > Most GM's in the League.

          Walsh can do whatever he pleases? Tell me how many butts will be in the seats if the Pacers don't win? Answer... not many. Now ask me our chance of keeping an NBA franchise if we have poor attendance year after year? Answer: Not likely.

          No, Donnie is not infallible and yes I do want him to make the moves to get us to the NBA championship. But you guys act like fielding a good team that makes the playoffs each year is just a walk in the park. And that my friends is just pure nonsense. The majority of NBA cities would be thrilled to have the NBA history this team has had for the last 15 years or so.

          Like many coaches, GM's often become vicitims of their own success. Donnie has become a wretch b/c he hasn't been able to get us over the hump. Is that really a fair gauge for a GM? If so, then you have an extremely small group of folks that fit your elite criteria.

          Out of the two most prestigious leagues that Indiana has franchises in, the NFL and NBA, Walsh has taken us farther than any other team. The Colts may change that this year, but that remains to be seen.

          He has earned a little bit of grace from the fans. He does make mistakes, some of them have been huge. But overall his track record speaks for itself that he can take us anywhere from the playoffs to the finals. The Championship is the one goal that has escaped his grasp, and until he gets there, he does deserve criticism for that.

          The other thing is that the Pro-Walsh regime tends to be is optimistic. When we traded for Scott Pollard with Brad Miller, I was hopeful that we would get a really tough defensive rebounding center. I knew we were going to lose offense, but I had seen him play well before. Who would have guessed how injured he would be and how much of a non-factor he would be? I'd still rather be hopeful than to be sullen and morose, and then let the games be played.

          If you want consistency, go to the Anti Walsh side. Predict doom and gloom , and if your team doesn't win an NBA Championship, wow... you are always right. Why did we max out Jalen? Why the crappy contract of Croshere and Foster? Bender!

          It's the easiest think in the world to be a person who criticizes. And I'm sure that when and if Walsh is able to win a championship, the nay sayers will complain about how it was just the "law of averages" and complain he didn't win enough in a row etc.

          I wish more people could just struggle and find a way to give a balanced view. He isn't God, but he isn't Lucifer either.

          So if your only goal is to win a championship, you want to win a championship, and you are the fan of a team not named the Lakers... all you have to do is complain about everything the GM does until they win a championship. I just don't see where the dark side is superior to a balanced view.

          And for the record, I'm glad Walsh doesn't get a free pass on this board. In the Newspaper... he often does. Even recently when the history of Donnie making great trades was completely biased. Many of his crap trades were omitted completely. I'm glad people point those things and take him to task, as long as they also give credit where credit is due. After all, he did draft Dale Davis, so he can't be all bad eh?

          But he doesn't really get credit. His praise is always laced with an overall dig. Walsh is a good businessman is what we get. We don't get, the best thing Donnie did was higher a guy like Larry Brown to teach our guys to win. We get "Larry Brown is the reason the Pacers started winning, not Donie." And this kind of rhetoric is what drives me crazy." He never gets credit for drafting Reggie, Dale, Antonio (A second rounder no less) etc., but he sure gets credit for letting them slip away. You don't get to the finals by being a blind squirrel.

          Any intelligent person knows there is a reason why Walsh is waiting. Either the initial offers were too crappy to accept, complications arose, or the offers are getting better. If either of those scenarios is accurate, than it only makes sense to wait. I have a hard time believing he doesn't want to get past this as soon as possible.
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          • #20
            Re: Star}Another town, another Artest trade rumor

            Originally posted by btowncolt©
            And for every 2-3 of those people, there are 5-6 more who will hate whatever Walsh does under any circumstances because they obviously knew a much better way of handling things and knew exactly what really should have been done if someone had just asked.

            And for every 5-6 of those people, there are 7.5489 who really don't care either way, as long as they still get paid on the 15th and the 31st.
            That's a goodun.

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            • #21
              Re: Star}Another town, another Artest trade rumor

              Montieth is covering the Pacers on this west coast trip.

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              • #22
                Re: Star}Another town, another Artest trade rumor

                I think Charles Barkley made a good point last night. Why wouldnt the pacers wait. Think about it when it gets around deadline time and teams like Dallas and Minnesota realize there is no way they are going to beat the Pistons or the Spurs they might be willing to throw in an extra player or pick. DW doesnt want to make a trade just to be making a trade. If its not going to help our team he is not going to do it. He's is the best GM in the league so why are we doubting him. If we have to wait to get a good trade then I'll wait. In the meantime we have a good but not great team, so we can still win games and will continue with the team that we have. Either way if we dont trade him by the deadline look for him to return to the Pacers this year that is just my opinion

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                • #23
                  Re: Star}Another town, another Artest trade rumor

                  Also, if you desire say a Paul Pierce on your team, I do, then you wait
                  till the deadline or offseason. He is available and the Pacers have the assets to get him.


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                  • #24
                    Re: Star}Another town, another Artest trade rumor

                    Get Paul Pierce or Diogu. Both fill a great need for the team. Those choices
                    are options number 1 and number 2. Both I believe put the Pacers back
                    in the contender role. These are possible trades and not impossible to
                    pull off IMHO. The Pacers need another pressure point along with ONeal to
                    be a contender.


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                    • #25
                      Re: Star}Another town, another Artest trade rumor

                      I agree that we need a second scoring option although Jack has been playin a lot better as of late.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Star}Another town, another Artest trade rumor

                        Originally posted by PaCeRs_GuRL
                        I agree that we need a second scoring option although Jack has been playin a lot better as of late.
                        I don't dispute that SJax is playing good....but I think its because he has become the #1 and #2 scoring options...hence more touches...since Tinsley and JONeal are out. In fact...you can say the same for Freddie and AJ ( to a lesser degree ).

                        When Tinsley and JONeal are back.....I would be curious to see if he does as well.
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                        • #27
                          Re: Star}Another town, another Artest trade rumor

                          Eek! AJ!

                          maybe I stated that wrong, scoring threat would fit nicely. Jack right now since Tins and JO are out is the #1 option and in the second unit, scoring is very balanced. When Jack was the 3rd option, he didnt play well and was in a combo of streaky and in a slump. He has picked it up but when JO is back he can be the #1 or #2 option depending on the opposing teams defense.

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                          • #28
                            Re: Star}Another town, another Artest trade rumor

                            Originally posted by CableKC
                            I don't dispute that SJax is playing good....but I think its because he has become the #1 and #2 scoring options...hence more touches...since Tinsley and JONeal are out. In fact...you can say the same for Freddie and AJ ( to a lesser degree ).

                            When Tinsley and JONeal are back.....I would be curious to see if he does as well.

                            I thought I posted this the other night (after the Denver game) but I can't find it...

                            SJax is looking great as the #1 option for a bad team. He seems really comfortable in that role lately. I wonder how he'll react to JO's return?

                            I'd rather trade him to the Hawks were he can put up 26 ppg for a loser.

                            Too bad he never looks comfortable as the #3/ #4 option for a good team. But when JO comes back and Tinsley gets healthy (cough) and we trade for a replacement for the knucklehead, then that's where he is again.
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