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    Default Pacers better get some inside scoring for Artest

    Seems to me that everyone is wanting a defensive player for Artrest. Well, I love defensive players as muchor more than anyone. But there aren't any players like Artest (great on both ends) available, so I hope the Pacers look for an inside scorer or a penetrating scoring.

    Hopefully someone who can get to the free throw line a lot. Someone who can stop the opponents streaks. Someone who can score when the other teams defense steps up, late in games, in tough playoff games.

    Yes I know I'm asking for a lot. But a good spot up shooter is not going to be enough. A one demensional player is not going to get the job done either.

    Perhaps I''m asking too much.

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    Default Re: Pacers better get some inside scoring for Artest

    Manu would be nice but it's never going to happen.

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    We need more dribble penetration.

    Manu is exactly the kind of player we need, someone who is creative but also unselfish, and a decent shot. Can the basketball gods hand us Manu part two somehow.
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    Ya know..Ive been thinking...lets just say that bender does indeed retire,Didnt Tim Thomas say he wanted to play for us?,I know everyone is down on Tim but at least he could play,unlike bender.

    And with whoever we get for artest...We still could be a title contender.
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    Agreed. As the members of Guns and Roses once said, "every rose has its thorn".

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    I don't think TT would really help us.
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    Can we get rid of Jack in the deal?

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    Can we get rid of Jack in the deal?
    Sadly I'm starting to think this too. Fred Jones too, if only because I think AJ is a better SG than him anyway.
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    Default Re: Pacers better get some inside scoring for Artest

    reggie evans, ronald murray....not fortson

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    Can we get rid of Jack in the deal?


    I was thinking tonight. Jax is not good enough to the second scoring option on a championship contender. And he cannot get into a groove being the 3rd option.

    DW and LB better be very creative

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    I was thinking tonight. Jax is not goof enough to the second scoring option on a championship contender. And he cannot get into a groove being the 3rd option.

    DW and LB better be very creative
    Yeah, that's sadly what it comes down to. I wonder if a package deal of Ron, Jack, Polly, and/or Bender could bring us a very good SG and a back-up SF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unclebuck
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    I was thinking tonight. Jax is not goof enough to the second scoring option on a championship contender. And he cannot get into a groove being the 3rd option.

    DW and LB better be very creative
    Agreed..

    As in which we would probably need a three team deal.
    may be diffcult to send Jax and Artest to the same team

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    Default Re: Pacers better get some inside scoring for Artest

    Al Harrington can score in the post. Get him.

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    Default Re: Pacers better get some inside scoring for Artest

    I don't care what you have to give up (minus JO and Sarunas). Paul Pierce is the answer.

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    I don't care what you have to give up (minus JO and Sarunas). Paul Pierce is the answer.

    Wouldn't he have to be the number one option though ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unclebuck
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    I was thinking tonight. Jax is not goof enough to the second scoring option on a championship contender. And he cannot get into a groove being the 3rd option.

    DW and LB better be very creative
    I think he's too much of a goof.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Will Galen
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    I think he's too much of a goof.
    Shoot if Goofy can rebound and post up.. I will take him...

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    Unclebuck brought up the most important point in this thread: Stephen Jackson is not a second option on a championship team. Enough said.

    Not only do TPTB have to listen to incoming offers for Artest, but they need to be on the lookout for that secondary option. A legit threat that can be called upon in times of need; because when JO has nights like did tonight (which are bound to happen again), we need someone to go to.

    So, as I was saying, not only should we be listening to offers, but we need to see what kind of value Ron has, and work from there. I hope that Donnie and Larry are not taking a laissez-faire approach to this all, and just listening to offers. They need to hear them out, get a grasp on Ron's value, and then start looking for their own trade. One that includes some of our depth if needed - because we need someone else right now.

    So, if a team is offering a pretty nice deal for Artest as is, I hope that we "up-the-ante", and ask for a little more "if we include _______". If we get a guy to simply plug into Artest's spot for the sake of having someone there, it's not going to work. We need someone who can take over in that position - and if it requires getting rid of Jackson or Tinsley at this point, I'm all for it.

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    Unclebuck brought up the most important point in this thread: Stephen Jackson is not a second option on a championship team. Enough said.

    Not only do TPTB have to listen to incoming offers for Artest, but they need to be on the lookout for that secondary option. A legit threat that can be called upon in times of need; because when JO has nights like did tonight (which are bound to happen again), we need someone to go to.

    So, as I was saying, not only should we be listening to offers, but we need to see what kind of value Ron has, and work from there. I hope that Donnie and Larry are not taking a laissez-faire approach to this all, and just listening to offers. They need to hear them out, get a grasp on Ron's value, and then start looking for their own trade. One that includes some of our depth if needed - because we need someone else right now.

    So, if a team is offering a pretty nice deal for Artest as is, I hope that we "up-the-ante", and ask for a little more "if we include _______". If we get a guy to simply plug into Artest's spot for the sake of having someone there, it's not going to work. We need someone who can take over in that position - and if it requires getting rid of Jackson or Tinsley at this point, I'm all for it.

    I agree 10000000%

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    Jax and Artest hopefully won't happen. To me Jax just needs things to
    settle down on the team. To much is probably going through his head
    right now with all the adjustments and line up changes. Once the
    trade happens barring he isn't in it I expect his game to be more dependable.

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    Default Re: Pacers better get some inside scoring for Artest

    Exactly.

    This is the perfect time to revamp the roster. We have the ear of every GM in the league & this won't end with just an Artest trade. The players we get back with trigger a second deal that will put the team back on track.

    As a matter of fact the first deal could be delayed for a day or two until the follow up trade is arranged.

    This team is going to be fun to watch again & in very short order.

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    This team wont be fun to watch until Rick Carlisle either changes his style or gets fired. If I wasnt a Pacers fan I would never put my self through the agony of watching this team play. We can get Steve Nash on this team and Rick wouldnt let us run.

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    Since we are getting rid of Artest, I want us to go the whole nine yards and get some players with good offensive instincts. I saw a glimpse of what we could have in the game vs. Memphis, and I'm hooked now. I want guys that make good, quick decisions with the ball. Shoot, pass, drive, whatever, but do it quick and share the ball.

    Croshere and Foster are actually pretty great at this for big men. Jermaine has improved at it. Granger has it, Saras has it. AJ can do it, if he's playing off the ball. Jackson simply can't do it. Fred does at times, but mostly doesn't.

    For some reason, we get away from this type of offense when Tinsley plays, although I'm not sure it's his fault.

    I want some more smart bball players. Lets make the switch right now, since big changes are coming anyhow.
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    Unclebuck brought up the most important point in this thread: Stephen Jackson is not a second option on a championship team. Enough said.

    I think we all knew he wasn't a good second option on a championship contender and we now know he's not a 3rd option either on a championship caliber team because he needs so many shots to get his points.


    Guys I have a feeling we are about to see this team blow up. I would not be surprised to see a Jamal Tinsley, Steven Jackson , David Harrison or Freddie Jones involved in any deal that includes Ron Artest.If there not shipped with Artest then I expect at least 3 of them to be on different teams before the trade deadline. In a sense I think were in rebuilding mode again.

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    In a sense I think were in rebuilding mode again.
    Interesting point. I see it as a chance to rebuild, without really rebuilding.

    If that makes any sense?

    Like I said, a chance. It's up to Larry and Donnie to have the final say on whether they follow through or not.

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    I feel like we are rebuilding on the run, which is what the good teams do.... well the teams that make the playoffs a lot anyway. The teams with the superstars and the rings normally had to tank to get those superstars.
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