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  • Insider request Maggette

    The front page of ESPN.com has a story on Maggette posted under the must read section. If anyone with insider could post this, I would greatly appreciate it.
    Why do teams tank? Ask a Spurs fan.

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    Re: Insider request Maggette

    This is especially interesting since Mags isn't playing tonight...

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      Re: Insider request Maggette

      What's wrong with him again? "Sprained foot"?

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        Re: Insider request Maggette

        http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog...sheridan_chris

        Artest Watch: No Maggette dealposted: Tuesday, December 20, 2005

        EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. -- The rumor mill has been so quiet, even Corey Maggette wasn't aware he was a part of it.
        When the Los Angeles Clippers and Indiana Pacers held a brief discussion about the availability of Ron Artest, the conversation came to a swift conclusion when the Clips made it known they had no intention of parting with Maggette.

        Pacers president Donnie Walsh moved on, and the Maggette rumor never really took off.

        "This is the first time I've heard about it, so I really don't have anything to do with it. It's just speculation that usually happens in this league," Maggette said Tuesday night at the Meadowlands, as the Artest Watch went through Day 9 without a public peep from Walsh.

        League insiders said the three-way trade first reported by Chris Tomasson of the Rocky Mountain News -- a deal sending Earl Watson and Nene to Atlanta, Al Harrington to Indiana and Artest to Denver -- appeared to be legitimate and would likely remain on the table while the Pacers sifted through other offers that hadn't yet reached the rumor mill.

        Walsh has said very little publicly since last Friday when he described himself as "encouraged" by at least a dozen offers, two of which included All-Star caliber players, that had come in for Artest. The Pacers have not said what kind of a timetable they have for moving Artest, but the players have said they are anxious to put the matter behind them as soon as possible. Team president Larry Bird is due back from a scouting trip to Spain later this week, which could speed things up.

        A source close to several players told ESPN.com that one underreported aspect of Artest's trade request was his dissatisfaction with his contract. Artest makes $6.8 million this season and is under contract for three more seasons at $7.5, $7.4 and $7.4 million -- roughly half of what the top tier players typically make. Because the Pacers are over the salary cap, they were unable, under collective bargaining rules, to offer Artest a renegotiation.

        "I don't think that has anything to do with it," said Clippers guard Sam Cassell, who has been dissatisfied with his contracts throughout his career. "When you step on the court, what you make as far as salary doesn't affect you. So I don't think that's a major reason Ron is being Ron. But he can play, man. He can do it. A guy like that, they don't come a dime a dozen. He's a helluva ball player, a top 10 player in this league by far. By far."

        A couple of other items:

        • Further research into my free throw fixation, first touched upon in my last blog entry, has found that free throw percentages have dropped fairly significantly from last season. One year ago, players were making .754 percent of their free throws. This year, it has dropped to .741. According to the Elias Sports Bureau, if players keep making their foul shots at the current rate, it'll be the worst leaguewide free throw percentage since the lockout-shortened 1999 season, when players shot .728.

        • Larry Brown isn't the only person around the Knicks who isn't all that enamored of Stephon Marbury. New York Daily News beat writer Frank Isola, who has been covering the team for more than a decade and makes regular appearances on NBA TV, wrote a column highly critical of Marbury on several levels, including Isola's observation that Marbury "sits at his locker before game-day shoot arounds and makes snide comments to his teammates about reporters' fashion sense and personal hygiene. He has never sounded so cruel and small." A little history that Isola did not mention: A long time ago, before Marbury had enrolled at Lincoln High School and before Isola had left the New York Post, the preteen Marbury was hanging around the Garden following a college or high school doubleheader and had no way to get back home to Brooklyn. So Isola, nice guy that he is, took it upon himself to drive Marbury all the way out to Coney Island.

        • Had another Rudy Tomjanovich sighting, this time at Tuesday night's Clippers-Nets game. As Vince Carter was shooting a pair of foul shots early in the second quarter, Cassell shouted out a loud hello to Tomjanovich, who was seated in the third row of press seats behind the basket. "My first coach!" Cassell yelled.

        • Said hello to Chris Kaman before the game. Nice kid, but he really looks like a cross between Napoleon Dynamite (without the perm) and an extra from "Night of the Living Dead."
        New Zealand's Number 1 Pacer Fan!! Visited Conseco Fieldhouse Feb 10 2006

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          "said Clippers guard Sam Cassell, who has been dissatisfied with his contracts throughout his career."

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            Re: Insider request Maggette

            We have now heard from multiple sources that the -- deal sending Earl Watson and Nene to Atlanta, Al Harrington to Indiana and Artest to Denver -- is on the table. So I have to believe it is one the table. Interesting to see what happens with that. I'm sure the Nugs would do that right now.

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              Originally posted by Unclebuck
              We have now heard from multiple sources that the -- deal sending Earl Watson and Nene to Atlanta, Al Harrington to Indiana and Artest to Denver -- is on the table. So I have to believe it is one the table. Interesting to see what happens with that. I'm sure the Nugs would do that right now.
              I hope we don't...
              "George's athleticism is bananas!" - Marc J. Spears

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                Re: Insider request Maggette

                Originally posted by Unclebuck
                We have now heard from multiple sources that the -- deal sending Earl Watson and Nene to Atlanta, Al Harrington to Indiana and Artest to Denver -- is on the table. So I have to believe it is one the table. Interesting to see what happens with that. I'm sure the Nugs would do that right now.
                Al will eat into Granger and Foster's minutes...and that is not a good thing. We need Granger and Foster to do the dirty work and bring the intangibles. We have enough people who shoot the ball. We need rebounds and blocked shots, not more 1 on 1 fadeaway jumpers.

                If that deal is on the table, it is apparent that Donnie is not enamored with it...and he should not be given the personnel he currently has.

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                  Re: Insider request Maggette

                  Originally posted by BlueNGold
                  We need rebounds and blocked shots, not more 1 on 1 fadeaway jumpers.
                  i totally agree. I think we have enough fade-away jumpers with oneal. The difference is...oneal makes them...al...maybe not...~

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                    Re: Insider request Maggette

                    Like DW is going to tip his hand to the media. Seems like some of you guys would have learned by now. It's going to be something off the wall that we had no clue it was going to happen.

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                      Re: Insider request Maggette

                      Originally posted by JO_pace
                      i totally agree. I think we have enough fade-away jumpers with oneal. The difference is...oneal makes them...al...maybe not...~
                      I'm really only going to try to point this out one more time.

                      Al's FG% has been over 45% all but 3 years of his career. His assists per game since going to Atlanta have doubled.

                      There may be positional reasons not to bring him here (reducing Granger's playing time, pushing JO to 5 and limiting minutes for Foster, bumping Jax to 2 and reducing minutes for Saras, etc.), but the idea that he is some black hole player who focuses on himself first and can't hit a shot is getting really old.
                      BillS

                      A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
                      Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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                        Re: Insider request Maggette

                        http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2270130

                        Maggette out four weeks with injured left foot
                        Associated Press

                        LOS ANGELES -- Clippers forward Corey Maggette will be out at least four more weeks because of an injured left foot.

                        The 26-year-old Maggette, the Clippers' second-leading scorer, hasn't played since a 99-89 victory over the Miami Heat on Dec. 5. He scored 13 points in that game before landing on another player's foot at the end of the third quarter.

                        It was thought Maggette had a sprained left foot, and he was listed as day-do-day. But he returned to Los Angeles on Thursday, a day after the Clippers lost at Indiana 97-75, and a CT scan revealed a small separation of the ligament between the bones in the foot, team physician Dr. Tony Daly said.

                        Maggette is averaging 21.7 points, 5.5 rebounds and 34.1 minutes in 13 games this season -- his sixth with the Clippers and seventh in the NBA. He averaged 20.7 points in the 2003-04 season and a career-high 22.2 points in 66 games last season.

                        The Clippers entered Friday night's game at Charlotte having lost five of six games to fall out of first place in the Pacific Division.

                        C'mon Clips! Now's the time to make that Artest for Magette trade!
                        "I'll always be a part of Donnie Walsh."
                        -Ron Artest, Denver Post, 12.28.05

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                          Re: Insider request Maggette

                          ... and then there's this:

                          http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...th.rumors.nba/

                          Coach Mike Dunleavy acknowledged Thursday that the Clippers have expressed interest in disgruntled Indiana Pacers swingman Ron Artest, who requested the team trade him.
                          -- Orange County Register

                          "I'll always be a part of Donnie Walsh."
                          -Ron Artest, Denver Post, 12.28.05

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