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    I know the competition hasn't been that intense, but facts are facts - we can win without Ron Artest.
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    ....you didnt prove that last year?

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    LA. Did you watch the past two games. Yes they won, but their performance left a lot to be desired

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    We were missing a whole lot more than Artest last year. I noticed we played our best ball without Jax on the floor. Danger was awesome. Now they just need to un-glue DH from the bench. What the heck was he doing on the bench with Jermaine having to contend with Jerome James?

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    Granger had a great game. he needs to be in the starting lineup.

    Could the reason Harrison and Fred did not play is because there is a trade involving them in the works? Because we could have used Harrison for at least a little bit tonight. I know they said Fred had a sprained ankle but that could be smoke.

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    It's been a good little stretch. I'm proud of my guys! They're giving me the warm fuzzies playin this way!!!!

    14-8. I'll take it!!!

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    I know the competition hasn't been that intense, but facts are facts - we can win without Ron Artest.
    Yes, we can win without Artest about 50% of the time. We are a very average team right now.

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    ....you didnt prove that last year?
    That's the point. Even through suspensions and injuries, Artest was held up as the messiah of Indiana's Championship hopes. Others (myself included) voiced the truth - Artest PREVENTS title runs. This team is going through more than you should ask any team to go through and are facing teams hungry for opportunities to kick teams while they are down to improve their records.

    And guess what? Indiana is winning, despite it all. Just wait untill the new guys come and things settle down. I'll take our chances in seven games vs any team but two (Det and SAS) and we could even perform miracles and surprise those two.

    That's right mother****ers!!!!

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    LA. Did you watch the past two games. Yes they won, but their performance left a lot to be desired
    No, I'm going to actually have something meaningful to say about the games once I get home and watch them.

    Of course it left something to be desired. I think it's down-right assinign to expect this rag-tag bunch to play like the Spurs. But facts are facts - they're fighting through it and getting the W's in spite of adversity.
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    Granger had a great game. he needs to be in the starting lineup.

    Could the reason Harrison and Fred did not play is because there is a trade involving them in the works? Because we could have used Harrison for at least a little bit tonight. I know they said Fred had a sprained ankle but that could be smoke.
    Freddy was definitely injured. I am not sure why David is not playing. I think many people are wondering. Fouls should not cause someone to get DNP's all year. I cannot think of a basketball reason for him to get no court time. I doubt he is being traded b/c his salary is so incredibly low. DOES ANYONE KNOW (OR HAVE ANY IDEA) WHY DH IS NAILED TO THE BENCH?

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    I forgot about Fred hurting himself in the last game but I remember now.

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    Freds ankle looked bad last night, but I sure hope DH isnt involved in a trade.

    I think he has talent, it is raw talent, but I think he has talent that we can benefit from.
    Talent isn't much good if the coach won't play you...

    Maybe he doesn't want three inexperienced guys on the floor?

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    I think DH is right where he should be

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    While I really dont like DH as much as soon here do, I think Rick should at least give him a chance. And its not like RC has never been criticized for not playing younger players.
    But he is playing Granger. And it could be argued that we need even more help at center than we do at SF.

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    I think DH is right where he should be
    UB, please explain why you think that. He clearly has much potential.

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    Of these players, who do you bench to give Harrison minutes:

    Foster
    Croshere
    JO
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    Of these players, who do you bench to give Harrison minutes:

    Foster
    Croshere
    JO
    When the other team has a large C in the game, JO should not be expending energy to guard the other player. Foster is fine for that purpose in most cases, but he is not 100%....and he does not have the size to keep people out of the paint...does not block shots..does not intimidate.

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    Of these players, who do you bench to give Harrison minutes:

    Foster
    Croshere
    JO
    Neither Foster nor Croshere played much tonight (15 and 23 minutes apiece) while JO played 43. Harrison couldn't have fit in there anywhere? If he can't even get spot minutes in that kind of situation, something's up.

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    UB, please explain why you think that. He clearly has much potential.


    He has looked terrible this season. His defense, whether it is team defense, where he has no clue as to what the team concepts are, or his one-on-one defense which has also been horrible. Twice when he was defending Dampier, DH just stood there as Damp went right around him. I honestly questioned DH's eye sight after that game. It looked like he was not even trying.

    Right now the Pacers are hanging together with silly- puddy, the last thing they need is to put someone out there who obviously does not have his head on right.

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    Neither Foster nor Croshere played much tonight (15 and 23 minutes apiece) while JO played 43. Harrison couldn't have fit in there anywhere? If he can't even get spot minutes in that kind of situation, something's up.

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    You're right. something IS up. We just don't know what that THING is. Here are a few of the many possibilities:

    1) Harrison is sucking big-time in practice.

    2) Carlisle liked going small-ball in this situation.

    3) Carlisle doesn't like how his team plays when Harrison is in.

    4) Rick is being ordered to bench Harrison because he is being moved out.

    I think the 4th one is the least likely of these.
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    I thought we were 4-2 without Ron?
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    I thought we were 4-2 without Ron?
    I was counting consecutive games. Did I F that up? I'll change the title if I did.
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    Regardless, as long as Ron is still a member of the team, we're all losers.
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    He has looked terrible this season. His defense, whether it is team defense, where he has no clue as to what the team concepts are, or his one-on-one defense which has also been horrible. Twice when he was defending Dampier, DH just stood there as Damp went right around him. I honestly questioned DH's eye sight after that game. It looked like he was not even trying.

    Right now the Pacers are hanging together with silly- puddy, the last thing they need is to put someone out there who obviously does not have his head on right.
    He has not been on the floor enough due to fouls, IMO. He may need to adjust to the speed of the game as well. I would not be surprised if your reasoning is correct, though. ...but they keep raving about his athleticism and potential to be the future C. It is just frustrating to see someone with that much potential...who is healthy...needs experience...languishing on the bench.

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    I was counting consecutive games. Did I F that up? I'll change the title if I did.

    Ron missed a game earlier this season and the Pacers lost, so they are 4-2 in games Ron has not played

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