Like I said in my Boston thread, I thought that Cro & Tins would make a differance.
We won, always a good thing & we made an impressive comback, always an entertaining thing but (& you knew there would be one) all was not well in Pacerland.
First let me restate my absolute dying hatred of the 7 p.m. starts. It is almost impossible for me to make those d@mn tipoffs on times on most days & today was no differant.
So when I finally drag my fat @ss to the seat I look up & we are down 6-0 & were almost 4 min. into the game.
So, again, for any Pacers brass that might actually be reading this. Please for the love of God switch back to the 7:30 starts.
Back on topic.
My fist play that I saw was the first real warning sign of bad things during the night.
Jamaal slaps a ball loose getting the steal he leads a picture perfect 3-1 fast break. He makes a perfectly timed pass to a cutting Saras who drives up for an open layup. But wait, instead of shooting this wonderfully wide open shot he decides to make a pass back to Jamaal who is now right directly under the front of the rim with a Jazz player standing right in front of him. The Jazz player gets his hands on the ball & it rolls out of bounds.
Now there are two totally differant ways to view what transpired there, well there are actually more than that but let's just focus on these two possibilties.
1. Saras is thinking he will reward Jamaal for stealing the ball, making a great pass & giving Saras the open shot so he tries to give him the ball back.
2. Saras will not be outdone by Jamaal in the passing department to he tries to one up him for the assist total.
Either way it was messed up & IMO either way Saras was totally at fault there.
This led to some minor words between Saras & Tins., nothing big but just a conversation.
I can tell you now some of the players do not take kindly to Saras's on court demands. During this game there was some sniping about positioning between Saras & Jax, Jones, Jermaine & even Foster.
Then there were words between Foster & Jax.
In fact I was really shaking my head up until the 3rd quarter because it looked to me like the team was not only out of synch but didn't much care to even be around each other & this was between people I've never seen have problems before.
Let's deal with the Jax factor first. I have been somewhat of a supporter, I'm not in love with his game but I think he takes a bum rap at times. But I can tell you right now someone needs to yank a knot in his tail when it comes to being disgusted with being taken out of the game. The first time he was taken out last night he was so disgusted that he literally pulled away from Fred Jones who was trying to slap five to him when he was coming in. This wasn't just a small slight, I mean he left Fred hanging out there & brushed around him.
Look be disgusted at Carlisle all you want, but Fred didn't deserve that kind of treatment & I can tell you that the fans in the fieldhouse just do not like the guy.
If there is a big package that is coming down the pike I wouldn't be totally suprised to see Jax on the next train out of town, but I wouldn't be suprised to see him stay either.
As to his game, he did a great job on AK47 on defense. He did not allow him easy access to the ball & followed him cut for cut most of the night.
Offensively he was his usual, some wild shots but some hard drives that caused havok on the Jazz interior.
I just don't know where Jax is on the Pacers overall long term scheme right now & that will be almost as big a mystery as to what happens with others.
We might as well deal with Jamaal while we are at it. Well, we were treated to Mel Mel the abuser again. But this is the abuser who abuses us & not the opposition. In the second half he was just God awfull. He turned into Jamaal Iverson except for two things.
1. He couldn't hit his shot at all
2. He didn't draw any fouls
He was benched in a hurry & then came back in late in the game played some lethargic basketball & then retreated to the bench for the rest of the game. For those that watched on T.V. did they try & say he was still not feeling well? I hope they weren' trying that excuse.
Well here is where I invoke the wrath of Ragnar. I have no idea why you people hate Anthony Johnson as much as you do. He was everything you would ever want in a backup p.g. during that game. He hit his shots, he passed out assists & he shut down that Williams kid when he played him.
His timely three point shooting helped seal the game for us.
In the second half I was hoping Jamaal would not see the floor again & I wanted A.J. to finish it off.
I am both thrilled & nervous that the game was salvaged by a barrage of Austin Croshere three point shots. Thrilled because Austin knocked them down & totally destroyed the Jazz in the process, but nervous because we all know that on any given night Cro could just have as easily missed all five of his three point attempts.
But not only did he hit his shots, he fought like a warrior born down in the paint all night long fighting off men who were both taller & heavier than he was. He did not gather up loose balls that fell to the floor & called them rebounds, he fought in hand to hand combat and more often than not he prevailed.
His one offensive rebound that he gathered in a crowd & then got fouled on the putback brought the crowd to it's feet & finally woke up the locals that there was actually a game going on.
When he went to the bench he recieved a standing O from the crowd behind the bench & he deserved it.
Harrison got a DNP again. I have no idea why. I just have to assume that he must be goofing off during practices because once again here was a team that had big bodys on the floor & in this game Granger really was being shoved around by the bigger bodys on the floor.
Foster just looked lost out there & he must have been in a p!ssy mood all night because he got into it with Jax, Fred & Saras during the course of the game about positioning on the floor. I'm not sure what was up with that.
Now I didn't get a great look at the bench because he was on the other side of my direct view but when Foster fouled out & coach called Granger back in the game it looked to me like Harrison threw his hands in the air in disgust. Did anybody else see this because I don't want anybody to just go on my view because like I'm saying, I didn't have direct sight of it. But it sure looked like that from what I did see.
Overall it was a great win, as any win is, but there sure still seems to be some attitude issues that may have to be addressed.
I'm coming around on the Saras thing, however I'm curious how much of his floor general routine is coming off as bossyness. Remember he may be king in Europe but here he is still a rookie & I wonder how these guys like him barking at them like he does.
BTW, what happened to Fred? I saw him limp out of the game & go straight to the locker room & on the way out the ramp he bent over in pain. I did not see what happened to him?
I don't want to leave without saying that Jermaine O'neal once again patrolled the inside like a monster.
I'm telling you, force the guy to be the center. Only the other O'neal is going to be that much better than him.
We won, always a good thing & we made an impressive comback, always an entertaining thing but (& you knew there would be one) all was not well in Pacerland.
First let me restate my absolute dying hatred of the 7 p.m. starts. It is almost impossible for me to make those d@mn tipoffs on times on most days & today was no differant.
So when I finally drag my fat @ss to the seat I look up & we are down 6-0 & were almost 4 min. into the game.
So, again, for any Pacers brass that might actually be reading this. Please for the love of God switch back to the 7:30 starts.
Back on topic.
My fist play that I saw was the first real warning sign of bad things during the night.
Jamaal slaps a ball loose getting the steal he leads a picture perfect 3-1 fast break. He makes a perfectly timed pass to a cutting Saras who drives up for an open layup. But wait, instead of shooting this wonderfully wide open shot he decides to make a pass back to Jamaal who is now right directly under the front of the rim with a Jazz player standing right in front of him. The Jazz player gets his hands on the ball & it rolls out of bounds.
Now there are two totally differant ways to view what transpired there, well there are actually more than that but let's just focus on these two possibilties.
1. Saras is thinking he will reward Jamaal for stealing the ball, making a great pass & giving Saras the open shot so he tries to give him the ball back.
2. Saras will not be outdone by Jamaal in the passing department to he tries to one up him for the assist total.
Either way it was messed up & IMO either way Saras was totally at fault there.
This led to some minor words between Saras & Tins., nothing big but just a conversation.
I can tell you now some of the players do not take kindly to Saras's on court demands. During this game there was some sniping about positioning between Saras & Jax, Jones, Jermaine & even Foster.
Then there were words between Foster & Jax.
In fact I was really shaking my head up until the 3rd quarter because it looked to me like the team was not only out of synch but didn't much care to even be around each other & this was between people I've never seen have problems before.
Let's deal with the Jax factor first. I have been somewhat of a supporter, I'm not in love with his game but I think he takes a bum rap at times. But I can tell you right now someone needs to yank a knot in his tail when it comes to being disgusted with being taken out of the game. The first time he was taken out last night he was so disgusted that he literally pulled away from Fred Jones who was trying to slap five to him when he was coming in. This wasn't just a small slight, I mean he left Fred hanging out there & brushed around him.
Look be disgusted at Carlisle all you want, but Fred didn't deserve that kind of treatment & I can tell you that the fans in the fieldhouse just do not like the guy.
If there is a big package that is coming down the pike I wouldn't be totally suprised to see Jax on the next train out of town, but I wouldn't be suprised to see him stay either.
As to his game, he did a great job on AK47 on defense. He did not allow him easy access to the ball & followed him cut for cut most of the night.
Offensively he was his usual, some wild shots but some hard drives that caused havok on the Jazz interior.
I just don't know where Jax is on the Pacers overall long term scheme right now & that will be almost as big a mystery as to what happens with others.
We might as well deal with Jamaal while we are at it. Well, we were treated to Mel Mel the abuser again. But this is the abuser who abuses us & not the opposition. In the second half he was just God awfull. He turned into Jamaal Iverson except for two things.
1. He couldn't hit his shot at all
2. He didn't draw any fouls
He was benched in a hurry & then came back in late in the game played some lethargic basketball & then retreated to the bench for the rest of the game. For those that watched on T.V. did they try & say he was still not feeling well? I hope they weren' trying that excuse.
Well here is where I invoke the wrath of Ragnar. I have no idea why you people hate Anthony Johnson as much as you do. He was everything you would ever want in a backup p.g. during that game. He hit his shots, he passed out assists & he shut down that Williams kid when he played him.
His timely three point shooting helped seal the game for us.
In the second half I was hoping Jamaal would not see the floor again & I wanted A.J. to finish it off.
I am both thrilled & nervous that the game was salvaged by a barrage of Austin Croshere three point shots. Thrilled because Austin knocked them down & totally destroyed the Jazz in the process, but nervous because we all know that on any given night Cro could just have as easily missed all five of his three point attempts.
But not only did he hit his shots, he fought like a warrior born down in the paint all night long fighting off men who were both taller & heavier than he was. He did not gather up loose balls that fell to the floor & called them rebounds, he fought in hand to hand combat and more often than not he prevailed.
His one offensive rebound that he gathered in a crowd & then got fouled on the putback brought the crowd to it's feet & finally woke up the locals that there was actually a game going on.
When he went to the bench he recieved a standing O from the crowd behind the bench & he deserved it.
Harrison got a DNP again. I have no idea why. I just have to assume that he must be goofing off during practices because once again here was a team that had big bodys on the floor & in this game Granger really was being shoved around by the bigger bodys on the floor.
Foster just looked lost out there & he must have been in a p!ssy mood all night because he got into it with Jax, Fred & Saras during the course of the game about positioning on the floor. I'm not sure what was up with that.
Now I didn't get a great look at the bench because he was on the other side of my direct view but when Foster fouled out & coach called Granger back in the game it looked to me like Harrison threw his hands in the air in disgust. Did anybody else see this because I don't want anybody to just go on my view because like I'm saying, I didn't have direct sight of it. But it sure looked like that from what I did see.
Overall it was a great win, as any win is, but there sure still seems to be some attitude issues that may have to be addressed.
I'm coming around on the Saras thing, however I'm curious how much of his floor general routine is coming off as bossyness. Remember he may be king in Europe but here he is still a rookie & I wonder how these guys like him barking at them like he does.
BTW, what happened to Fred? I saw him limp out of the game & go straight to the locker room & on the way out the ramp he bent over in pain. I did not see what happened to him?
I don't want to leave without saying that Jermaine O'neal once again patrolled the inside like a monster.
I'm telling you, force the guy to be the center. Only the other O'neal is going to be that much better than him.
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