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    Default Update from Vescey, Friday night

    Pacers would like to trade Artest and acquire Al Harrington. But the Hawks don't want Ron. So right now the Pacers are looking for a third team to enter the picture. Vescey said Al is who the Pacers really want and they will explore getting him, everything else is kinda on hold right now until they exhaust trying to get Al.

    Vescey said this tonight on NBATV.

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    Pacers would like to trade Artest and acquire Al Harrington. But the Hawks don't want Ron. So right now the Pacers are looking for a third team to enter the picture. Vescey said Al is who the Pacers really want and they will explore getting him, everything else is kinda on hold right now until they exhaust trying to get Al.

    Vescey said this tonight on NBATV.
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    Wonder what LA could send to Atlanta ..??
    A big man...?
    Would Knight want Kwame?
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    Either we're not getting the prospects we want, or Donnie is trying to make up for JO having to put up with Ron all this time.

    I'm terrified Al would pull a Dale on us this summer. If we could get a Josh Childress along with him, that's fine. And if it was just losing an expiring contract, that'd be one thing. But I don't think we fans could handle another rejection from a beloved former Pacer.
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    Either we're not getting the prospects we want, or Donnie is trying to make up for JO having to put up with Ron all this time.

    I'm terrified Al would pull a Dale on us this summer. If we could get a Josh Childress along with him, that's fine. And if it was just losing an expiring contract, that'd be one thing. But I don't think we fans could handle another rejection from a beloved former Pacer.
    I hear ya Kegboy.. although being tight with JO may help for Al to stay...

    as far as the Childress or additional person that would be great...
    I heard Mark Stein say yesterday that actually Josh Smith is the one that Atl Mgmt and he are not getting along so well.. so he could possible be moved as well... not sure though what all it may take to pull that off.

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    Either we're not getting the prospects we want, or Donnie is trying to make up for JO having to put up with Ron all this time.

    I'm terrified Al would pull a Dale on us this summer. If we could get a Josh Childress along with him, that's fine. And if it was just losing an expiring contract, that'd be one thing. But I don't think we fans could handle another rejection from a beloved former Pacer.
    Do you really think that would happen? Donnie would know Al would stay because JO has already told him so, they talk everyday.

    I just hope Donnie and Rick keep in mind how well Austin is playing, will Al coming back cut into Austin's minutes?

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    I'd like to get Al back, and I don't think Al would be stupid enough to leave again...but then what do I know?
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    Pacers have also discussed a trade with the Wizards involving Caron Butler. Chucky would have to be involved.

    This is according to Vsecey, but Vescey is still saying that they really want AL Harrington.


    I missed part of what Vescey was saying about perhaps the Clippers being the 3rd team involved. But I missed who he said would go from the Clips to the Hawks. Sounded like it would be a backup big man from the Clips. The thinking is the Hawks will lose Al this summer anyway

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    Pacers have also discussed a trade with the Wizards involving Caron Butler. Chucky would have to be involved.

    This is according to Vsecey, but Vescey is still saying that they really want AL Harrington.


    I missed part of what Vescey was saying about perhaps the Clippers being the 3rd team involved. But I missed who he said would go from the Clips to the Hawks. Sounded like it would be a backup big man from the Clips. The thinking is the Hawks will lose Al this summer anyway
    Chris Wilcox from the Clippers?

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    Chris Wilcox from the Clippers?


    I'm guessing that was who he said.



    Vescey also said that Ron was hurt about the trade rumors involving him going to the Kings for Peja. Ron is the type of person who needs to know he is loved. But Ron acyed impulsively when he asked for a trade, but it was more than anything a response to the trade rumors. Vescey said the part about Ron not liking his role in the offense was just the reason Ron gave, but certainbly not the reason he asked for a trade

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    But Ron acyed impulsively when he asked for a trade, but it was more than anything a response to the trade rumors. Vescey said the part about Ron not liking his role in the offense was just the reason Ron gave, but certainbly not the reason he asked for a trade
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    I missed part of what Vescey was saying about perhaps the Clippers being the 3rd team involved. But I missed who he said would go from the Clips to the Hawks. Sounded like it would be a backup big man from the Clips. The thinking is the Hawks will lose Al this summer anyway
    I posted a Clips/Hawks Artest trade on the PD trade board earlier today. No way we hit the jackpot like in my scenario is there?

    The guy on the Clips of real interest to the Hawks is Chris Wilcox. I had the Clips giving us Cuttino Mobley and Wilcox for Ron and us sending Wilcox and Pollard to the Hawks (Pollard so the Hawks could have an expiring contract) along with our first round pick to the Hawks for Al.

    Think about it from the Clips standpoint: They wind up with Maggette in his natural "2" position and Artest at the swing positions. Top notch lineup.

    I put the pick in reluctantly because I thought it was the incentive for Billy Knight to do a Harrington trade now rather than wait for the February trading deadline.

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    Don't listen to Vescey. He's about as reliable as my sperm.

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    Don't listen to Vescey. He's about as reliable as my sperm.
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    So Atlanta WOULD trade Al... but they don't want Ron either...

    Hmmmm....

    I'm not even sure -I- want Al back, but I don't like hearing teams are not wanting Ron. Not that it is surprising to me. You don't carry baggage like Ron's, no matter how good you are, and not give teams some pause.

    One big problem I see is teams have to think "If the Pacers couldn't corral Artest how could WE do it?"

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    I'm not even sure -I- want Al back
    I'm with you. Once the ball touched Al's hands, that was it. Into the black hole it went. You and I would discuss this quite a bit, if I remember correctly. Has he changed? I'm not foolish enough to believe that. Didn't think so with Ron, don't think so with Al.

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    I'm with you. Once the ball touched Al's hands, that was it. Into the black hole it went. You and I would discuss this quite a bit, if I remember correctly. Has he changed? I'm not foolish enough to believe that. Didn't think so with Ron, don't think so with Al.
    Agreed. He's not the type of guy we need to blend in with Tinsley, Jackson, and JO. Oh God, that wouldn't be fun.

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    I'm with you. Once the ball touched Al's hands, that was it. Into the black hole it went. You and I would discuss this quite a bit, if I remember correctly. Has he changed? I'm not foolish enough to believe that. Didn't think so with Ron, don't think so with Al.


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    Agreed. He's not the type of guy we need to blend in with Tinsley, Jackson, and JO. Oh God, that wouldn't be fun.
    I agree with both of you.
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    I'm with you. Once the ball touched Al's hands, that was it. Into the black hole it went. You and I would discuss this quite a bit, if I remember correctly. Has he changed? I'm not foolish enough to believe that. Didn't think so with Ron, don't think so with Al.
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    I don't really care for having Al back, and I didn't like him too much while he was here.
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    I don't really care for having Al back, and I didn't like him too much while he was here.

    And when he left the team was not the same, as you now see he had a lot of positives.

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    With the night Al is having, hells yeah I want him back.

    13-19, 6-6 from 3, 35 points, 3 rebounds, and that's with 9 minutes to go in the 4th.

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    Man I really wanna keep Ron. It seems we wont get shi@ for him anyway. If he is repentant I still want to keep him...Watching his highlights every five minutes is not easy.

    If we are going into a new direction lets atleast trade some players w/ value left. ie JO and Jax for a superstar...elton brand or garnett. Neither player is a leader and ron could be the first option especially at the end of games. garnett and brand cant get the ball out of their hands fast enogh with 5 mins left.

    Stan Van Gundy would be a good coach for the personalities...

    My big problem with this whole thing was JO said practically said the same thing. He was the one who suggested that the team may need changes...himself included. Granted Ron was way out of line w/ his comments, but content wise they were very similar to JOs.

    I think SVG could make it work. The only problem I see with this is we send the wrong msg to our players and coaches.

    Face it Ron is the best player on the team...maybe the best player weve ever had. We are going to trade him for someone of Al Harringtons caliber???

    Ron is the most unique player in the league. Players like JO are alot more common.

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    Man I really wanna keep Ron. It seems we wont get shi@ for him anyway. If he is repentant I still want to keep him...Watching his highlights every five minutes is not easy.

    If we are going into a new direction lets atleast trade some players w/ value left. ie JO and Jax for a superstar...elton brand or garnett. Neither player is a leader and ron could be the first option especially at the end of games. garnett and brand cant get the ball out of their hands fast enogh with 5 mins left.

    Stan Van Gundy would be a good coach for the personalities...

    My big problem with this whole thing was JO said practically said the same thing. He was the one who suggested that the team may need changes...himself included. Granted Ron was way out of line w/ his comments, but content wise they were very similar to JOs.

    I think SVG could make it work. The only problem I see with this is we send the wrong msg to our players and coaches.

    Face it Ron is the best player on the team...maybe the best player weve ever had. We are going to trade him for someone of Al Harringtons caliber???

    Ron is the most unique player in the league. Players like JO are alot more common.


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