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    Default Vecsey: Dec 16, 2005- Isiah Ar-Testy- Lots of Pacers background

    So, does Vecsey have DW's phone bugged:

    "I know you had to make the call," said Walsh, the guy who hired him and didn't object when Larry Bird fired him three years later.

    "I'm not prepared to trade any of my young players for Artest," Thomas remarked.

    "Well, I don't want any of your other players," Walsh replied. "What else do you want to talk about?"

    This was the extent of the enthused trade conversation between Thomas and Walsh.


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    RON MAKES ISIAH AR-TESTY

    BAD MIX: The volatile Ron Artest brought out the worst in former Pacers coach and current Knicks president Isiah Thomas, who wanted to leave Artest off Indy's playoff roster three years ago, according to the Post's Peter Vecsey.



    December 16, 2005 -- BEFORE commencing with today's communiqué, excuse me while I laugh in the faces of pretenders whose "sources" claim Isiah Thomas and Ron Artest had a solid relationship in Indiana . . . heckle the hoodwinked who fail to grasp the Knicks' president's phone call to Pacer CEO Donnie Walsh regarding his screwy swingman was nothing more than a pantomime performance to sidetrack a full-court press and appease fans . . . and mock the oblivious advocating the acquisition of the splattered meteor, period, forget about at any cost.

    I can't decide which is more offensive to my senses: Artest's recent stream of unconsciousness or the fountains of misinformation spewing from squawking heads and media mannequins whose line of reasoning on all of the above is decorated in early emptiness.

    Yeah, right, let's connect Larry Brown's and Ron Artest's dots. Who among the even moderately sound of mind honestly believes that "Love Connection" would have any chance of lasting longer than the first episode of "The Honeymooners"?

    May I remind the promoters of that relationship this is the same Larry Brown who branded David Robinson a "coach killer" in his Spurs' infancy; the same Larry Brown who accused Dan Issel of having no heart; traded Bobby Jones for George McInnis; and wanted to trade Reggie Miller when success curdled in Indiana. And those were his most coachable players.

    If Next Town Brown had problems with the exceptional, what makes any lucid philosopher conceptualize a misfit like Artest will be an exception? If Brown couldn't endure the flaws of the easiest guys to control, imagine how fast Artest's idiosyncrasies would have him scurrying like a toad to his next dream job.

    On second thought, Artest is so Joe Don Looney he could turn Brown sane.

    Fact is, we've never been distantly in danger of stirring that discovery process, much less studied it to see whether it's humanely possible. Their mixed marriage was never anything but a dead issue, though they do share at least one common denominator: Artest regularly takes leave of his senses, whereas Brown regularly takes leave.

    Still, as repeatedly as Isiah Thomas starts afresh or breaks bread with those who've tormented, tortured or turned on him, the notion of reuniting with Artest is so unappealing he wouldn't give up Frederic Weis straight up.

    I make this statement emphatically knowing what I know about their year-and-a-half Pacers association. Thomas found Artest so unmanageable, so disorderly, so inclined to do the opposite of what the situation called for, he seriously considered excluding him (and Ron Mercer) from the playoff roster in '02-03. A late season superior recital at the Garden forced him to change his mind, but not his opinion or a scheme to get rid of him.

    Thomas and Jermaine O'Neal were very tight. As far as I know, they still are. Thomas always told his franchise player everything he wanted to hear and saved the negative evaluations for the ears of others. He also manipulated him to do his dirty work.

    That summer O'Neal became a free agent. Before he re-signed, I wrote a column that charged him with trying to use his leverage (in conjunction with his distaste for Artest's irresponsibility, disruptive behavior and aloofness) to pressure management to trade Artest, Mercer and Jamaal Tinsley. It was clear who put him to it; Jermaine is too nice a person to pull such a Machiavellian stunt.

    O'Neal was furious the story got out and denied its accuracy. Meanwhile, I got a frantic call from Thomas. He implored me to call O'Neal and convince him that he wasn't the source, which is true. I had no problem with that. I called the number Thomas gave me but O'Neal never called back.


    I know I'm naive; but it seems to me anybody who'd go to that extreme to deport Artest and two others (Thomas' mistreatment of Tinsley is a sordid story for another day) from Indiana has no intention of importing him to New York,

    Don't get me wrong! I absolutely concur with Thomas' position for all the obvious reasons. A day or so after Artest's starring role in the Malice at the Palace, I called Thomas to get his take. "That's what I'm talking about," he said. "You could see this coming. It was just a matter of when."

    That's why half the NBA is petrified to add Artest to their mix despite a relatively inexpensive outlay. The Pacers know they can't get equal value, thus they're willing to accept a young talent or two vs. an established veteran in hopes of getting a deal done swiftly. Nobody's blaming Thomas for not wanting Artest. I just wish he'd come out and tell us what's really on his mind instead of making a grandstand call to Walsh, then have one of his flacks leak it to the press.

    Thomas not only admitted reaching out to the Pacers, but talked about his untouchables. This doesn't strike people as unusual, an executive publicly discussing the particulars of a trade? That's how much grief Thomas must be getting throughout the city's corners and cubbyholes as a result of the Knicks' 6-15 eyesore of a record.

    Again, it would've been infinitely more meaningful and manly had Thomas simply announced he wanted nothing to do with the compulsive-repulsive-impulsive Artest. Instead he made believe he tried to get someone habitually undependable.

    "I know you had to make the call," said Walsh, the guy who hired him and didn't object when Larry Bird fired him three years later.

    "I'm not prepared to trade any of my young players for Artest," Thomas remarked.

    "Well, I don't want any of your other players," Walsh replied. "What else do you want to talk about?"

    This was the extent of the enthused trade conversation between Thomas and Walsh.

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    Default Re: Vecsey: Dec 16, 2005- Isiah Ar-Testy- Lots of Pacers background

    BEFORE commencing with today's communiqué, excuse me while I laugh in the faces of pretenders whose "sources" claim Isiah Thomas and Ron Artest had a solid relationship in Indiana . . . heckle the hoodwinked who fail to grasp the Knicks' president's phone call to Pacer CEO Donnie Walsh regarding his screwy swingman was nothing more than a pantomime performance to sidetrack a full-court press and appease fans . . . and mock the oblivious advocating the acquisition of the splattered meteor, period, forget about at any cost.
    Is this really one sentence? Wow...

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    Default Re: Vecsey: Dec 16, 2005- Isiah Ar-Testy- Lots of Pacers background

    I trust that little troll Isiah about as much as I now trust Artest. Isiah is a known liar and back stabber. I hated ever minute he was the Pacers' coach.
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    Default Re: Vecsey: Dec 16, 2005- Isiah Ar-Testy- Lots of Pacers background

    Does anyone happen to know why Isiah (allegedly) would put JO up to making the demand of the team trading Artest, Mercer and Tinsley rather than Thomas doing it? Or at least why not both of them do it?

    Did Isiah already make his feelings known and it fell on deaf (or patient) ears... or was he really trying to run an end-around so he wouldn't get his hands dirty?

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    Default Re: Vecsey: Dec 16, 2005- Isiah Ar-Testy- Lots of Pacers background

    I hated ever minute he was the Pacers' coach.
    That's funny, I hate almost every minute Rick is the Pacer's coach. Guess were complete opposites.

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    Default Re: Vecsey: Dec 16, 2005- Isiah Ar-Testy- Lots of Pacers background

    That Vecsey can't write. How does he have a job?

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    Default Re: Vecsey: Dec 16, 2005- Isiah Ar-Testy- Lots of Pacers background

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    That Vecsey can't write. How does he have a job?
    That is a good question, and damn near all of his stuff is based on rumor rather than fact. I enjoy listening to him on NBA TV though when he's on the insiders.

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    Default Re: Vecsey: Dec 16, 2005- Isiah Ar-Testy- Lots of Pacers background

    Good God, that's so poorly written it's nearly unreadable. Did Vecsey finish 8th grade?
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    Default Re: Vecsey: Dec 16, 2005- Isiah Ar-Testy- Lots of Pacers background

    Quote Originally Posted by PacerNthaDesert
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    That's funny, I hate almost every minute Rick is the Pacer's coach. Guess were complete opposites.
    Guess so, you like losing way more games than we should and not EVER having one single rotation pattern or form of a game plan.

    I like winning 61 games and winning way more games than we should last season. Still having a decent record with all that has gone on this season.
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    Default Re: Vecsey: Dec 16, 2005- Isiah Ar-Testy- Lots of Pacers background

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoop
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    Guess so, you like losing way more games than we should and not EVER having one single rotation pattern or form of a game plan.

    I like winning 61 games and winning way more games than we should last season. Still having a decent record with all that has gone on this season.
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    Default Re: Vecsey: Dec 16, 2005- Isiah Ar-Testy- Lots of Pacers background

    Poorly written or not. I love Vescey.

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    Default Re: Vecsey: Dec 16, 2005- Isiah Ar-Testy- Lots of Pacers background

    So is Vescey being IT's tool? Badmouthing their relationship to make Ron seem even less manageable? Purpose? To keep the price down and/or convince others not to bid for him (esp. east conf. rivals)
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    Default Re: Vecsey: Dec 16, 2005- Isiah Ar-Testy- Lots of Pacers background

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    So..............does that mean we're getting Frye AND Lee?
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    Default Re: Vecsey: Dec 16, 2005- Isiah Ar-Testy- Lots of Pacers background

    Quote Originally Posted by indygeezer
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    So is Vescey being IT's tool? Badmouthing their relationship to make Ron seem even less manageable? Purpose? To keep the price down and/or convince others not to bid for him (esp. east conf. rivals)
    No chance. Vescey has had this story nailed for the last two years and people just didn't want to listen

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