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Toronto /Pacer rumor courtest of Blahzay (RATS)

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  • #46
    Re: Toronto /Pacer rumor courtest of Blahzay (RATS)

    According to earlier posts, Toronto owns the pick if it IS NOT higher than 16th.

    Since it is going to be higher than 16th, they don't own it.

    That's what I was basing it on. Now Real GM is saying it is top-17 protected, which is a big difference obviously.

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    • #47
      Re: Toronto /Pacer rumor courtest of Blahzay (RATS)

      Originally posted by rcarey
      Top 3 shooter in the league - bar none. Just an amazing spot-up shooter. He's one of those guys that, as soon as he starts his shooting approach, you fully expect the ball to go in.

      Outside of spot-up shooting, you can't really depend on this guy for much. He's not a good defender, and can't create his own shot worth a damn. He's just an amazing, amazing shooter.

      He also works his tail off every night, and gets you some offensive rebounds and hustle plays that don't show up on the box score. He has that Foster-mentality about him.

      That goes along with character - and you can't ask for better character than what Mo Pete and Bonner bring to the table.
      Dude, honestly, would you do some research before you post things like this? Matt Bonner is a 35.6% 3 point shooter, If that's the "tops" in the league then "the league" must be the Red Headed Guys Who Play In The NBA Association.
      Yes, he's a better shooter then Brian Scalabrine, I'll give you that, But he's not even top-30 of 3 point shooters.

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      • #48
        Re: Toronto /Pacer rumor courtest of Blahzay (RATS)

        Originally posted by Naptown Seth
        Dude, honestly, would you do some research before you post things like this? Matt Bonner is a 35.6% 3 point shooter, If that's the "tops" in the league then "the league" must be the Red Headed Guys Who Play In The NBA Association.
        Yes, he's a better shooter then Brian Scalabrine, I'll give you that, But he's not even top-30 of 3 point shooters.
        Dude, could you not present misleading information like that, and maybe provide what his first year's 3 point % was last year, for an entire season? .424% you say? Well, what did he shoot from the field last year for the entire season? .533% you say? Okay, thanks.

        If you've watched them play this year, the reason for Bonner's comparitvely lower percentages is because Sam Mitchell is using him a lot more on the floor then he did last year. He's also being asked to do things on the offense that he's not used to, and being placed in some 1-on-1 situations which is just stupid. If he was used as he should be - a spot-up shooter, lower minutes (energy guy), his percentages would be just back to where they were last year.

        EDIT: Are NBA.com player profiles your only connection/association to the NBA?

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        • #49
          Re: Toronto /Pacer rumor courtest of Blahzay (RATS)

          Originally posted by rcarey
          Dude, could you not present misleading information like that, and maybe provide what his first year's 3 point % was last year, for an entire season? .424% you say? Well, what did he shoot from the field last year for the entire season? .533% you say? Okay, thanks.

          If you've watched them play this year, the reason for Bonner's comparitvely lower percentages is because Sam Mitchell is using him a lot more on the floor then he did last year. He's also being asked to do things on the offense that he's not used to, and being placed in some 1-on-1 situations which is just stupid. If he was used as he should be - a spot-up shooter, lower minutes (energy guy), his percentages would be just back to where they were last year.

          EDIT: Are NBA.com player profiles your only connection/association to the NBA?
          He was a great shooter last year. Not the best, but very good. This year, he's a so-so shooter. You can't just dismiss this year, just like I can;t dismiss last year. For his career he's a 51/40/80 shooter. Very good, possibly the highest 3% for any PF in the league, but far from the "top 3 point shooter in the league - bar none" that you claimed he was.
          And by the way, your excuse makes it sound as if he can only hit the wide open shot? Well wow, I think even *I'm* a great shooter then. Maybe I should go tryput for an NBA team?

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          • #50
            Re: Toronto /Pacer rumor courtest of Blahzay (RATS)

            Originally posted by Naptown Seth
            This year, he's a so-so shooter. You can't just dismiss this year, just like I can;t dismiss last year.
            Look, I give up. As Jay said in the Pietrus thread - you have to look beyond the stats. I already explained the REASONING behind his poor shooting percentages in my last post. That's the kind of information you get from watching a player play instead of reading numbers all day long.

            Originally posted by Naptown Seth
            And by the way, your excuse makes it sound as if he can only hit the wide open shot? Well wow, I think even *I'm* a great shooter then. Maybe I should go tryput for an NBA team?
            Um - if we were to have a shooting competition, what would it consist of? Taking spot-up shots - much like the 3 point competition. Aren't you one of Saras' biggest fans? He's pretty good at hitting open jump shots too, isn't he?

            And why bother trying out for an NBA team? You might as well just send an E-Mail to the Pacers with your FT%, FG%, PPG, APG, RPG, etc. and they should be more than happy to take you on board, right?

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            • #51
              Re: Toronto /Pacer rumor courtest of Blahzay (RATS)

              Unless this proves to be BS, I'm keeping this on the Pacers board. It's the RealGM kings that I'm looking to keep on the trade board, not something that may (beyond "anything is possible") be true. Blahzay has some history.

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              • #52
                Re: Toronto /Pacer rumor courtest of Blahzay (RATS)

                Originally posted by rcarey
                And why bother trying out for an NBA team? You might as well just send an E-Mail to the Pacers with your FT%, FG%, PPG, APG, RPG, etc. and they should be more than happy to take you on board, right?

                Priceless.

                Absolutely perfect.



                + + + + +

                Too bad he's just not getting the fact that we're trying to help him stop embarassing himself all the time.
                Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
                Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
                Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
                Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
                And life itself, rushing over me
                Life itself, the wind in black elms,
                Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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                • #53
                  Re: Toronto /Pacer rumor courtest of Blahzay (RATS)

                  Originally posted by Hicks
                  Unless this proves to be BS, I'm keeping this on the Pacers board. It's the RealGM kings that I'm looking to keep on the trade board, not something that may (beyond "anything is possible") be true. Blahzay has some history.
                  That's cool. I was iffy on moving it, but I figured you'd move it back if you felt it was appropriate.

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                  • #54
                    Re: Toronto /Pacer rumor courtest of Blahzay (RATS)

                    I didn't have time to read the whole thread but I thought I'd pass this along.

                    http://www.realgm.com/src_future_draftpicks.php

                    Denver owes the Raptors a #1, top 5 protected next year. If the include a #1 it might not be the Raptors pick.

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                    • #55
                      Re: Toronto /Pacer rumor courtest of Blahzay (RATS)

                      First of all, I'll get back to all of those Naptown haters posts tommorow when I'm back online. But let me say, stats measure production, and the bottomline is production is the single most important part of basketball. Productions what seperates the legends from the scrubs, the losers from the champions. Lots of players have had impressive looking game, yet at the end of the day they didn't bring the production and thus found their way out of the league.

                      Jay (circa 1992) - "I just got done watching my only Heat game of the season, and I have to say, that Harold Miner is a future All-Star. The guy has an incredible first step and the amazing athleticism to capitalize on it. He was also hitting his jump shot and doing a good job on the defensive end."
                      Four years later, at the ripe old age of 24, Harold Miner is out of the league. Why? Because despite his talent, and despite his ability to lead those watching him to believe he was a future all-star, and the end of the day he wasn't producing. He couldn't shoot, he couldn't rebound, and he wasn't much of a defender.

                      And all the talk about stats lying is B.S. Stats are facts, and facts can't lie. What lies is peoples ability (or lack-there-of) to judge talent by watching a player play. The abnormaly high rate of high school and European busts the past 10 years proves this.

                      Now as for the deal, if the 1st round pick in this rumor is Toronto's unprotected 2006 1st round pick, then there's no way Walsh and Bird can pass it up. Considering that there's a very good chance it would be a top-3 pick, possibly even #1, it's just too much to pass up. Rudy Gay sure would look nice a Pacers jersey. The kids productive as hell and you can tell he's gonna be a special Kobe/T-Mac/Wade tpye of player just by watching him. And the icing on the cake? We've got the same birthday.

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                      • #56
                        Re: Toronto /Pacer rumor courtest of Blahzay (RATS)

                        Originally posted by rcarey
                        Look, I give up. As Jay said in the Pietrus thread - you have to look beyond the stats. I already explained the REASONING behind his poor shooting percentages in my last post. That's the kind of information you get from watching a player play instead of reading numbers all day long.



                        Um - if we were to have a shooting competition, what would it consist of? Taking spot-up shots - much like the 3 point competition. Aren't you one of Saras' biggest fans? He's pretty good at hitting open jump shots too, isn't he?
                        There's something called defense in the NBA. And according to you, unless Bonner's wide open, he's a mediocre shooter. If I ever need a partner in a game of team H-O-R-S-E I'll give Matt a call. However keep his sorry *** far, far away from my team during actual games please. And Saras is a rediculous 3 point shooter with or without a man in his face, which is part of what makes him so special.

                        Originally posted by rcarey
                        And why bother trying out for an NBA team? You might as well just send an E-Mail to the Pacers with your FT%, FG%, PPG, APG, RPG, etc. and they should be more than happy to take you on board, right?
                        Or I could send them a tape of me playing, and after they saw my awesome basketball ability they'd be happy to sign me. Why would they even need to see stats? After seeing my amazing first step or awesome ability to hit wide open 23" jumpers I'm sure they'd snatch me right up. I mean, look at Darko, the experts saw something so special in him just from watching him play that he was drafted #2 in a rediculously talented draft class. And my how it's paid off for the Pistons! Darko's been tearing the league up, easily the MVP of the league this year. That right there proves that it doesnt matter if a player's productive or not as long as he can make people believe he's good while he's on the court.

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                        • #57
                          Re: Toronto /Pacer rumor courtest of Blahzay (RATS)

                          I'm sorry Naptown, but I'm going to have to (once again) disagree with you. Nobody is saying that you can't tell something about a player from looking at a stat sheet, but only looking at a statsheet tells you far too little to judge a player. Would you say that Allen Iverson is on the level of Michael Jordan because he's about on the same level in terms of stats this year as MJ? HELL NO! Jordan defended better, he was a better leader, he was clutch, I could name a thousand other things that set those players apart.

                          The real fact is, while stat sheets tell you something about a player, to get a true view of a player you need to look at their stats AND see their play with your own eyes. As has been stated before, NBA teams have scouts for a reason. If your theory held true then teams wouldn't even bother with scouts, they'd just check the box score on yahoo.com. Besides, this leads in to what I think is the other thing you were wrong about...

                          Which is what makes a player special. Sorry, but stats don't make a player special. What makes a player special is the drive to succeed, to always make themself better. The great players would never have been so great if they weren't constantly working on their game, trying to improve, and laying it out on the line. Does a stat sheet tell you that a player played through flu-like symptoms and managed to score 38 points and lead the team? No, chances are the stats just had their numbers. Does a stat sheet tell you that a player added something to their game over the summer which makes them harder to stop? No, it certainly doesn't.

                          The point I'm trying to make is, while stats are useful, they are just a TOOL. Nothing can or will replace seeing a player in person and finding out about their character. I'd rather get a player that is only average at the moment but has the drive to become a superstar and the talent to pull it off. Stats can't tell you what a player can accomplish, it only tells you what they have accomplished.

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                          • #58
                            Re: Toronto /Pacer rumor courtest of Blahzay (RATS)

                            Originally posted by Jay@Section204

                            Too bad he's just not getting the fact that we're trying to help him stop embarassing himself all the time.
                            Embarrassing himself?


                            I don't mean to pick on you, Jay, so hopefully this doesn't sound too personal, but goodness gracious sakes alive, if you want a place where everyone is going to agree with you, startup a blog. This isn't "Statistics Digest" and its not "We Actually Watch The Friggin Games Digest". Its Pacers Digest and we've got Pacers fans from all points on the spectrum.




                            You, Never? Did the Kenosha Kid?

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                            • #59
                              Re: Toronto /Pacer rumor courtest of Blahzay (RATS)

                              2012 PD ABA Fantasy Keeper League Champion, sports.ws

                              2011 PD ABA Fantasy Keeper League Champion, sports.ws

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                              • #60
                                Re: Toronto /Pacer rumor courtest of Blahzay (RATS)

                                You know, I was looking at Mo Pete's player file on NBA.com and thinking "Hmm, that wouldn't be the worst thing we could get...". Then I envisioned Ron Artest on that same Toronto playerfile and then immediately heard Larry the Cable Guy say "Git-er Done!". I had to laugh, because those were my thoughts exactly.

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