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Who we could get for Artest (2 per team)

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  • #31
    Re: Who we could get for Artest (2 per team)

    Originally posted by Ultimate Frisbee
    Actually... Ron does qualify... He is only 25 and has a VERY reasonable contract...
    I'd actually feel bad sending Ron to the Bobcats. No, not for Ron, but the Bobcats. They have a lot of young up and coming players over there, and I wouldn't want Ron screwing with their heads.
    Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
    -- Albert Einstein

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    • #32
      Re: Who we could get for Artest (2 per team)

      Originally posted by Gamble
      I'm not a big fan of Odom but he is a quality guy. He doesn't seem
      to have helped the Lakers but less would be required of him here.

      I hear it's because he's frustrated and doesn't understand the Triangle offense.
      Life without water is tough, life without air is hard,life with one leg only is wobbly, Life without Reggie Miller, is impossible.

      Do Not Trade Austin

      Originally posted by Conrad Brunner
      Veteran Austin Croshere, the longest-tenured Pacers player on the roster, has proven reliable when called upon, invariably ready to step in regardless of the circumstance.

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      • #33
        Re: Who we could get for Artest (2 per team)

        Originally posted by Pacersfan.
        I'd actually feel bad sending Ron to the Bobcats. No, not for Ron, but the Bobcats. They have a lot of young up and coming players over there, and I wouldn't want Ron screwing with their heads.
        Very true... very true...
        Here, everyone have a : on me

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        • #34
          Re: Who we could get for Artest (2 per team)

          I actually think that Ron really likes younger guys and could be a big help to him, look how he treats Danny and Sarunas.
          Life without water is tough, life without air is hard,life with one leg only is wobbly, Life without Reggie Miller, is impossible.

          Do Not Trade Austin

          Originally posted by Conrad Brunner
          Veteran Austin Croshere, the longest-tenured Pacers player on the roster, has proven reliable when called upon, invariably ready to step in regardless of the circumstance.

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          • #35
            Re: Who we could get for Artest (2 per team)

            I'm in the process of reading thru the message of other teams now... Here are some interesting trades/thoughts:

            Atlanta - Al for Ron (usually in a 3-way trade, but some actually want Ron... )
            THis is a funny one:
            Artest to NY, Harrington to Ind., Frye and Marbury to Atlanta

            Or, Artest to NY, Harrington to Ind., Frye and Andre Miller to Atlanta, QRich, Lee, and Lue to Denver

            Boston - No good trades seen.

            Chicago - Most involve Gordon+_ for Artest

            Cleveland - Consensus is that they'd do any of these trades (or, it seems, any trade not involving Lebron... they really want Ron but find it unlikely since they are in the same division):

            1.) gooden/donyell/luke for artest and fred jones (to make salaries match)

            2.) Cleveland Trades:
            Drew Gooden 6-10 PF from Kansas
            Luke Jackson 6-7 SF from Oregon
            Aleksandar Pavlovic 6-7 SG from Serbia-Montenegro (Foreign)

            Indiana Trades:
            Ron Artest 6-7 SF from St. John's

            3.) Ron Artest and Austin Croshere

            Pacers receive:
            Larry Hughes and Drew Gooden


            Dallas: They are opposed to Artest almost unanimously... even for Daniels


            Denver: Couldn't find a good board..


            Golden State: Seem to be amenable to all trades involving Pietrus + _ for Artest + _ ... Murphy and Fisher seem to be mentioned a lot. (their dream includes getting Sarunas or Foster in return... but most of the reasonable ones question why we'd take Pietrus for Artest at all)


            Clippers:

            Artest for:

            Wilcox
            Ewing
            Expiring salary (McCarty, N'Dong)
            The Wolves pick
            Future picks (1st round, 2nd round

            seems to be the consensus... Most wouldn't do Maggette for Artest but a few might...


            Lakers: Very few want Artest for Odom, surprisingly... but several want Artest... Something about cake and eating it too.... ;-)


            Grizz: Hard to gague... I can't find a good board... They don't think West would go for Battier for Artest


            Miami: They know that they aren't going to get Artest, so no serious trades were offered.


            Milwaukee: Also probably not going to get Artest... Simmons + more is clearly and option for them though...


            Minnesota: They seem to like Artest... Szcerbiak and Hassell is a possibility for Artest + filler but they rightfully think that it is too little and don't want to give up Griffin.


            New Jersey: Vince Carter or Kidd seem to be possibilites... Word is out on Jefferson...

            NJ trades:
            Richard Jefferson
            Marc Jackson

            IND trades:
            Ron Artest
            Jeff Foster


            New Orleans: A resounding NO (no pun intended)


            New York: Funny how many Ariza + more crap for Artest trades are proposed... IF only there were some way we could rip IT off... everyone else seems to be doing it...

            A trade:
            Marbury/Ariza for Tinsley/Artest/Bender

            - a funny comment on this trade: "Why because NO OTHER TEAM will give up there two best players to get him. "



            Orlando: Grant Hill.


            Philadelphia: Seem to like Artest (A LOT... plus he would be pretty close to home...) Iguodala is certainly an option for them (also Korver... obiously)... They also don't like AI...


            Phoenix: Not really much they can do to compete with other offers...


            Portland: Miles plus pick


            Sacto: Here is a good quote:
            "I just took a few minutes and read some of the vast multitude of threads/posts about this at PacersDigest. The consensus is about 3 to 1 in favor of totally washing their hands of him, even though some of them admit he's the best player on their team right now. Their comments about him make the most vile stuff posted here about Webber look like testimonials.

            If they're THAT fed up with him, I'm more convinced than ever that Ron Artest is simply a liability we do not need." --- they are smart fans... They don't think that Ron would fit with their team...


            Spurs: Nesterovic ... LOL (salaries match)


            Raptors: Possibly:

            to Toronto: Pollard, Fred JONES, Luke Jackson
            to Indiana: Peterson,Aaron Williams,Dreew Gooden,Eric Snow
            to Cleveland: Eric Williams, Ron Artest


            or

            Joey Graham, Alvin Williams, Our pick and Denver's pick

            for

            Artest and Indiana's pick


            Utah: They are surprisingly not overly oposed to trading anyone on their team for Ron... Including AK47... which I find odd...

            Washington: Jamison, Butler or Jared Jefferies seem to be possibilites...

            Good Night!
            Here, everyone have a : on me

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            • #36
              Re: Who we could get for Artest (2 per team)

              lol good thinking....AK47 would be hell good in indiana so would starbury...i cant w8 2 c the outcome of this

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              • #37
                Re: Who we could get for Artest (2 per team)

                Originally posted by Ultimate Frisbee
                I'm in the process of reading thru the message of other teams now... Here are some interesting trades/thoughts:

                Atlanta - Al for Ron (usually in a 3-way trade, but some actually want Ron... )
                THis is a funny one:
                Artest to NY, Harrington to Ind., Frye and Marbury to Atlanta

                Or, Artest to NY, Harrington to Ind., Frye and Andre Miller to Atlanta, QRich, Lee, and Lue to Denver

                Boston - No good trades seen.

                Chicago - Most involve Gordon+_ for Artest

                Cleveland - Consensus is that they'd do any of these trades (or, it seems, any trade not involving Lebron... they really want Ron but find it unlikely since they are in the same division):

                1.) gooden/donyell/luke for artest and fred jones (to make salaries match)

                2.) Cleveland Trades:
                Drew Gooden 6-10 PF from Kansas
                Luke Jackson 6-7 SF from Oregon
                Aleksandar Pavlovic 6-7 SG from Serbia-Montenegro (Foreign)

                Indiana Trades:
                Ron Artest 6-7 SF from St. John's

                3.) Ron Artest and Austin Croshere

                Pacers receive:
                Larry Hughes and Drew Gooden


                Dallas: They are opposed to Artest almost unanimously... even for Daniels


                Denver: Couldn't find a good board..


                Golden State: Seem to be amenable to all trades involving Pietrus + _ for Artest + _ ... Murphy and Fisher seem to be mentioned a lot. (their dream includes getting Sarunas or Foster in return... but most of the reasonable ones question why we'd take Pietrus for Artest at all)


                Clippers:

                Artest for:

                Wilcox
                Ewing
                Expiring salary (McCarty, N'Dong)
                The Wolves pick
                Future picks (1st round, 2nd round

                seems to be the consensus... Most wouldn't do Maggette for Artest but a few might...


                Lakers: Very few want Artest for Odom, surprisingly... but several want Artest... Something about cake and eating it too.... ;-)


                Grizz: Hard to gague... I can't find a good board... They don't think West would go for Battier for Artest


                Miami: They know that they aren't going to get Artest, so no serious trades were offered.


                Milwaukee: Also probably not going to get Artest... Simmons + more is clearly and option for them though...


                Minnesota: They seem to like Artest... Szcerbiak and Hassell is a possibility for Artest + filler but they rightfully think that it is too little and don't want to give up Griffin.


                New Jersey: Vince Carter or Kidd seem to be possibilites... Word is out on Jefferson...

                NJ trades:
                Richard Jefferson
                Marc Jackson

                IND trades:
                Ron Artest
                Jeff Foster


                New Orleans: A resounding NO (no pun intended)


                New York: Funny how many Ariza + more crap for Artest trades are proposed... IF only there were some way we could rip IT off... everyone else seems to be doing it...

                A trade:
                Marbury/Ariza for Tinsley/Artest/Bender

                - a funny comment on this trade: "Why because NO OTHER TEAM will give up there two best players to get him. "



                Orlando: Grant Hill.


                Philadelphia: Seem to like Artest (A LOT... plus he would be pretty close to home...) Iguodala is certainly an option for them (also Korver... obiously)... They also don't like AI...


                Phoenix: Not really much they can do to compete with other offers...


                Portland: Miles plus pick


                Sacto: Here is a good quote:
                "I just took a few minutes and read some of the vast multitude of threads/posts about this at PacersDigest. The consensus is about 3 to 1 in favor of totally washing their hands of him, even though some of them admit he's the best player on their team right now. Their comments about him make the most vile stuff posted here about Webber look like testimonials.

                If they're THAT fed up with him, I'm more convinced than ever that Ron Artest is simply a liability we do not need." --- they are smart fans... They don't think that Ron would fit with their team...


                Spurs: Nesterovic ... LOL (salaries match)


                Raptors: Possibly:

                to Toronto: Pollard, Fred JONES, Luke Jackson
                to Indiana: Peterson,Aaron Williams,Dreew Gooden,Eric Snow
                to Cleveland: Eric Williams, Ron Artest


                or

                Joey Graham, Alvin Williams, Our pick and Denver's pick

                for

                Artest and Indiana's pick


                Utah: They are surprisingly not overly oposed to trading anyone on their team for Ron... Including AK47... which I find odd...

                Washington: Jamison, Butler or Jared Jefferies seem to be possibilites...

                Good Night!
                Damn, that was a lot of work. Nice job, some interesting stuff.

                What about a deal that could land Stephon Marbury here? I know many don't like him because he's "selfish", but I was thinking of playing him at the 2 and move Jackson to the 3.
                Knicks seem to be looking for a point guard, so how about this....
                Ron Artest, Jamaal Tinsley, and Scot Pollard to New York in exchange for Stephon Marbury, Channing Frye, and Trevor Ariza?

                Sarunas Jasikevicius/Anthony Johnson
                Stephon Marbury/Fred Jones
                Stephen Jackson/Danny Granger
                Jermaine O'Neal/Austin Croshere
                Channing Frye/Jeff Foster

                And we'd still have 3 nice young projects in Granger, Ariza, and Harrison to work with.

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                • #38
                  Re: Who we could get for Artest (2 per team)

                  AK47 and Saras on the same team....wow. Along with JO ...o golly.
                  Ever notice how friendly folks are at a shootin' range??.

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                  • #39
                    Re: Who we could get for Artest (2 per team)

                    Originally posted by Naptown Seth
                    Damn, that was a lot of work. Nice job, some interesting stuff.

                    What about a deal that could land Stephon Marbury here? I know many don't like him because he's "selfish", but I was thinking of playing him at the 2 and move Jackson to the 3.
                    Knicks seem to be looking for a point guard, so how about this....
                    Ron Artest, Jamaal Tinsley, and Scot Pollard to New York in exchange for Stephon Marbury, Channing Frye, and Trevor Ariza?

                    Sarunas Jasikevicius/Anthony Johnson
                    Stephon Marbury/Fred Jones
                    Stephen Jackson/Danny Granger
                    Jermaine O'Neal/Austin Croshere
                    Channing Frye/Jeff Foster

                    And we'd still have 3 nice young projects in Granger, Ariza, and Harrison to work with.
                    I'm not opposed to a Marbury trade based on what kind of player Marbury is ( but I know a lot of people would be... )... I'm a little hesitant to take on his contract though...
                    Here, everyone have a : on me

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                    • #40
                      Re: Who we could get for Artest (2 per team)

                      Honestly... I'd be happy with basically any one else right now... Happy for a change am I... :
                      Here, everyone have a : on me

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                      • #41
                        Re: Who we could get for Artest (2 per team)

                        Well since he's been "banned" until he gets traded I don't think we are going to get much for him. I think we would have the best chance for some reasonable returns IF we throw in another player as then we can start looking at players making more money, widening the limited possibilities that are worth just a little.

                        Regards,

                        Mourning
                        2012 PD ABA Fantasy Keeper League Champion, sports.ws

                        2011 PD ABA Fantasy Keeper League Champion, sports.ws

                        2006 PD ABA Fantasy League runner up, sports.ws

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                        • #42
                          Re: Who we could get for Artest (2 per team)

                          How do you think JO would react to Marbury?

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                          • #43
                            Re: Who we could get for Artest (2 per team)

                            Indiana Trade Breakdown
                            Outgoing

                            Ron Artest
                            6-7 SF from St. John's
                            19.4 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 2.2 apg in 37.8 minutes

                            Jamaal Tinsley
                            6-3 PG from Iowa State
                            9.9 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 5.5 apg in 27.5 minutes
                            Incoming

                            Morris Peterson
                            6-7 SG from Michigan State
                            13.4 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 1.3 apg in 31.8 minutes

                            Mike James
                            6-2 PG from Duquesne
                            15.5 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 4.3 apg in 34.4 minutes

                            Aaron Williams
                            6-9 PF from Xavier
                            1.5 ppg, 1.7 rpg, 0.0 apg in 7.0 minutes
                            Change in team outlook: +1.1 ppg, +0.4 rpg, and -2.1 apg.

                            Toronto Trade Breakdown
                            Outgoing

                            Morris Peterson
                            6-7 SG from Michigan State
                            13.4 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 1.3 apg in 31.8 minutes

                            Mike James
                            6-2 PG from Duquesne
                            15.5 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 4.3 apg in 34.4 minutes

                            Aaron Williams
                            6-9 PF from Xavier
                            1.5 ppg, 1.7 rpg, 0.0 apg in 7.0 minutes
                            Incoming

                            Ron Artest
                            6-7 SF from St. John's
                            19.4 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 2.2 apg in 37.8 minutes

                            Jamaal Tinsley
                            6-3 PG from Iowa State
                            9.9 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 5.5 apg in 27.5 minutes
                            Change in team outlook: -1.1 ppg, -0.4 rpg, and +2.1 apg.


                            Successful Scenario
                            Due to Indiana and Toronto being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Indiana and Toronto had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

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                            • #44
                              Re: Who we could get for Artest (2 per team)

                              I think its safe to put Chicago in the "Been there, done that, no fing way in Hell we're doing that again" camp.
                              Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
                              Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
                              Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
                              Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
                              And life itself, rushing over me
                              Life itself, the wind in black elms,
                              Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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                              • #45
                                Re: Who we could get for Artest (2 per team)

                                Didn't we just go through a huge "SJax plays better if he is the 2nd scoring option" debate?

                                If you come to the conclusion that SJax plays better as the 2nd scoring option....then it would make ZERO sense to get an offensive minded player like Rashard Lewis or Peja ( of course ignoring the liklihood that their respective teams have very little incentive to give up a star player for a guy that has very little trade value ) that would take away the 2nd scoring shots that SJax thinks he should get.

                                What we need is a player that play as a 3rd scoring option....but more importantly one that can effectively defend the SG position.

                                If you want another scorer....we should trade for a bench scorer...but not one that starts.
                                Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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