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I think the Artest situation can be soothed over.

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  • I think the Artest situation can be soothed over.

    But do the Pacer's want to?

    Do we the fans want it soothed over?

    Or would all parties be better off if Ron were traded?

    And if traded, how best to go about it?

    Judging by forum reaction the fans want Ron traded. And I would say the Pacer front office has to be tired of dealing with Artest.

    Regardless, Donnie, Bird, and Carlisle, need to sit down with Ron and have a talk. There can't be any knee jerk reactions. (I.E. immediate trade)

    If they decide to trade him they have to get a promise from Ron that there will be no more distractions, no more interviews with the press, and especially no more interviews with Mike "bite the hand that feeds you" Wells.

    How could it be soothed over? My theory is Ron has hurt feelings. He was playing with a injured wrist and the home crowd booed him for missing free throws. Then his buddy Jax opens up and more or less says he needs to be a higher option in the offense. Ron thinks that means Jax wants to take his place as second option.

    So to sooth things over Ron would have to admit his feelings were hurt, by both the crowd and his buddy Jax, and that he reacted immaturely again.

    Now this would be an understandable reaction, and sooth some, but of course not all.

    Regardless, whatever Bird and Walsh choose to do is okay with me. I think they will choose to trade Ron though.

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    Re: I still think the Artest situation can be soothed over.

    Originally posted by Will Galen
    But do the Pacer's want to?

    Do we the fans want it soothed over?

    Or would all parties be better off if Ron were traded?

    And if traded, how best to go about it?

    Judging by forum reaction the fans want Ron traded. And I would say the Pacer front office has to be tired of dealing with Artest.

    Regardless, Donnie, Bird, and Carlisle, need to sit down with Ron and have a talk. There can't be any knee jerk reactions. (I.E. immediate trade)

    If they decide to trade him they have to get a promise from Ron that there will be no more distractions, no more interviews with the press, and especially no more interviews with Mike "bite the hand that feeds you" Wells.

    How could it be soothed over? My theory is Ron has hurt feelings. He was playing with a injured wrist and the home crowd booed him for missing free throws. Then his buddy Jax opens up and more or less says he needs to be a higher option in the offense. Ron thinks that means Jax wants to take his place as second option.

    So to sooth things over Ron would have to admit his feelings were hurt, by both the crowd and his buddy Jax, and that he reacted immaturely again.

    Now this would be an understandable reaction, and sooth some, but of course not all.

    Regardless, whatever Bird and Walsh choose to do is okay with me. I think they will choose to trade Ron though.

    Again, I completely agree with you WIll. But I don't think you'll see an immediate trade. They'll let things cool down and Ron will play. Ron may even come out and say that things were blown out of proportion and he's sorry for what he said. Then come trade deadline he'll be shipped. (and I think Stephen Jackson outing his desires to score more have brought this about...so they BOTH should go)

    OH and BTW...anote to RON....that New York thingie...it ain't gonna happen. Say hello to the West Conference .
    Ever notice how friendly folks are at a shootin' range??.

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      Re: I still think the Artest situation can be soothed over.

      After reading that some of Mike Well's quotes are made up, and having not read a direct quote from Artest that he wants to be traded, I'm sure this can be smoothed over. I think Well's asked Artest some leading questions and printed his comments out of context.

      I think regardless of what happens the Pacer's should bar Well's from their locker room. I'm convinced he created this mess on purpose.

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        Re: I still think the Artest situation can be soothed over.

        Originally posted by Will Galen
        After reading that some of Mike Well's quotes are made up, and having not read a direct quote from Artest that he wants to be traded, I'm sure this can be smoothed over. I think Well's asked Artest some leading questions and printed his comments out of context.

        I think regardless of what happens the Pacer's should bar Well's from their locker room. I'm convinced he created this mess on purpose.
        HUH? Where did ya read that?
        Ever notice how friendly folks are at a shootin' range??.

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          Re: I still think the Artest situation can be soothed over.

          Originally posted by Will Galen
          Regardless, whatever Bird and Walsh choose to do is okay with me. I think they will choose to trade Ron though.
          I think and hope they'll wait until the all-star break to make a move, if they will make one. As you said, right now, there has to be a serious conversation between Ron and Pacers' management. Things can and will probably be soothed for the moment, Ron's just a person who mostly doesn't think through what he's saying.

          So, what I believe the Pacers have to do in the games 'till the AS break is take a look at the chemistry of the team AND at Ron's individual behaviour : are the Pacers playing as a team with Ron in the line-up? (I don't think that up till now he has been the problem concerning the Pacers lack of chemistry, on the contrary) Is Ron still whining he wants to be traded and is it affecting his play?

          If Ron's still a problem by then, make a move (talent-wise we will always lose if we deal Ron). There are certainly enough games left after the AS break for a new player to fit in.

          But when it comes down to it, I really hope Ron stays (his attitude on the court, man, man, I love to see him play!) and the fact that Donnie was as surprised about Ron's comments as anyone else and responded quite cool, gives me a bit of hope.

          In the mean time, strength to all Pacers fans and keep your cool everyone (I hope there aren't people driving with their cars off bridges or anything).

          ,

          R
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            Re: I think the Artest situation can be soothed over.

            Originally posted by indygeezer
            HUH? Where did ya read that?
            http://www.pacersdigest.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=16633

            Post 101

            Well's quotes Carlisle as saying something he didn't actually say. So, I have to question Well's whole article, and why it was written. It appears to me it was written to cause trouble.

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              Re: I think the Artest situation can be soothed over.

              I'm done. This was the last straw for me. I'm now firmly in the "We can't win a championship with Artest" camp.

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              • #8
                Re: I think the Artest situation can be soothed over.

                I don't think so. I truly think he was told any distractions from him at all this year and the team will move on without him. I will actually be suprised if he is
                here by the end of the week. I have supported Ron in all of this and love his game, but nope, you just stabbed Donnie and Larry in the back and you will get your wish and you know I have never, ever wished any ill will towards anyone leaving this team but I will say I hope Ron get's what Ron deserves.

                Former Ron Apologist.

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                  Re: I think the Artest situation can be soothed over.

                  Originally posted by Strany
                  I don't think so. I truly think he was told any distractions from him at all this year and the team will move on without him. I will actually be suprised if he is
                  here by the end of the week. I have supported Ron in all of this and love his game, but nope, you just stabbed Donnie and Larry in the back and you will get your wish and you know I have never, ever wished any ill will towards anyone leaving this team but I will say I hope Ron get's what Ron deserves.

                  Former Ron Apologist.
                  I'm not sure Ron deserves to be traded because of what Well's printed. I think that was Well's stiring the pot. However, one has to ask oneself when, if ever, Ron is going to show any maturity. By now he should know not to talk to reporters.

                  I think he's as good as gone by the trade deadline at the latest.

                  And since we are probably getting rid of Ron I would like to see Jackson and Tinsley moved also.

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                  • #10
                    Re: I think the Artest situation can be soothed over.

                    Unless some deal comes along that Walsh/Bird really likes....I would hope that we pull the trigger on something about 2-4 weeks before the trade deadline. I don't want to be in a situation like the Mavs where they are fielding calls up until the 11th hour before the "Allan Houston" rule takes affect.

                    Besides....this looks more like a situation where Walsh/Bird will be patient.

                    There's a part of me that wants to get a trade over with now so that we can move on...and more importantly...if we get back a decent player...we can at least attempt to gel and make something of this season.

                    But we may get a better deal closer to the trade deadline...cuz whether we like it or not....Artest is a "rasheed Wallace" type player that can make a significant difference on a team's playoff hopes.
                    Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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                    • #11
                      Re: I think the Artest situation can be soothed over.

                      Originally posted by Will Galen
                      I'm not sure Ron deserves to be traded because of what Well's printed. I think that was Well's stiring the pot. However, one has to ask oneself when, if ever, Ron is going to show any maturity. By now he should know not to talk to reporters.

                      I think he's as good as gone by the trade deadline at the latest.

                      And since we are probably getting rid of Ron I would like to see Jackson and Tinsley moved also.
                      I know that I am not in the majority....but I was thinking of the same exact thing.....we should take this opportunity to address some serious issues ( Tinsley's injuries / SJax emotional state / Artest's whatever the hell is wrong with im ) that has been dragging this team down over the last couple of seasons.

                      But I guess it can't really happen with 1 team....but it would be a multi-team trade...which would be harder.
                      Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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                      • #12
                        Re: I think the Artest situation can be soothed over.

                        Originally posted by Will Galen
                        http://www.pacersdigest.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=16633

                        Post 101

                        Well's quotes Carlisle as saying something he didn't actually say. So, I have to question Well's whole article, and why it was written. It appears to me it was written to cause trouble.

                        I know Able likes to play the role of investigative reporter and lawyer and dig at negative info but many times all he ends up doing is 'spin' of his own (sorry Able).

                        How does Kevin Lee know Wells didn't use a prior quote, or get a later quote for the article that Kevin Lee just didn't happen to be privy too?

                        Is it a stretch to think Carlisle answered like Kevin Lee heard, then later (realizing what kind of sh-t was about to hit the fan), called Wells with a more diplomatic answer? And would it be such a stretch for Wells to learn the paper planned on the story being front page material and upon learning that he called Carlisle to 'warn' him and ask if he had anything to add?

                        Saying a reporter made up a quote is a serious accusation and more times than not you'll be wrong if you make that accusation.

                        And let's be real here, why would Wells risk his livelihood over something like this and makeup a quote? Not only would it be a firable offense, but it would live with him from job to job (interview) and likely either blackball him entirely or have him end up working at a low dough rag making peanuts compared to what he makes now.

                        -Bball
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                        • #13
                          Re: I think the Artest situation can be soothed over.

                          It maybe could be soothed over, but Ron has requested a trade, and we're usually pretty good about giving guys that. I wish Ron well wherever he goes, and I hope that we get back a top-end SG in return.
                          You, Never? Did the Kenosha Kid?

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                          • #14
                            Re: I think the Artest situation can be soothed over.

                            Originally posted by Will Galen
                            And since we are probably getting rid of Ron I would like to see Jackson and Tinsley moved also.
                            I would absolutely love a trade that would send all 3 of those players away.

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