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"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

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We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

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What was Eddie Jordan smoking?????

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  • What was Eddie Jordan smoking?????

    Why did he abandon Brendon Heywood in the second half & only play him for like 22 min. the entire game?

    They could have easily kept in this thing if they would have not decided to become the 1984 Denver Nuggets. Heywood, for whatever reason, always plays like Pat Ewing whenever he is facing Jermaine O'Neal & just loves to block his shot. I'm not saying he was a deal breaker for them but man they need to get their big guys some touches.

    I'm all for an open court offense with slashers but they take it to the extreme.

    Lucky for us that they do.

    Well Pacers people we got a win. A win is always good.

    But now the question is why?

    Let's start with Fred Jones. Monster game for Fred. No not because of the monster dunk he laid down although that was absolutely one of the best dunks in traffic I've ever seen. No, Fred remembered that he was a good defender at one point in time & that is what led to his offense. He got the steals, we got out on the run & we put them on their heals. Fred will not always shoot this good. Actually Fred will probably never shoot this well again. But Fred can always play this good on the defensive end.

    S Jax. Let's face it, this guy has been the face of the franchise for the past two weeks. No not the face that we want to present to the league, but the face of the man that almost every Pacers fan marked as problem #1 on our team. He needed a game where he could at least get the crowd off of his back for a little bit & thanks to some deadeye shooting he gets a one game reprieve. There are a couple of things to make of this though for those of you that want to pain everything as fine from here on in.

    a. He played the three spot. Last season when he was the most successfull he played the three spot. Ron Artest has a lock on the three spot.

    b. He was the second option on offense, not the third. Ron Artest has a lock on the second option on offense.

    So even though this was a great game for him, I wonder if this really will solve the problem or will it add to it.

    Rick Carlisle. he let up off of the reins again in the second half & our guys responded. However to Rick's credit on this, before everybody thinks he should do this every game, the Wizards pretty much played no defense in the second half so it's not like we were running a free flow offense on the Pistons. But Rick did make the adjustment to his players & for this game it worked very well.

    Jermaine O'neal. He has taken this team on his back, but not in the way we would think he would. He has been the man on the floor for loose balls, hell he dove to try & steal it against the Wiz. He has been battling in the paint for boards & he has been defending every time down the court.

    Nobody can say anything ill of Jermaine O'Neal.

    I know everybody loves Saras & again he had a good game, but I'm sure we will still hear nothing but dread & doom about A.J. at the point. Nobody will point out that he was one assist away from a double double & they won't mention that he played great defense on Arenas. Gilbert only got 17 points & it took him 18 shots to do that. So I want to make sure that A.J. gets an atta boy from somebody. To have your third string p.g. step in & lay down these kind of numbers is huge.

    I don't like Harrison at garbage time. I'm sorry but I hate any young player at garbage time because to me they develop nothing but bad habbits during this stage of the game.

    Honestly more & more I think a trip to Tulsa should be in order for David if this is all we are going to do with him for awhile.

    Granger looked great again. Thank God I am seeing more & more of the player I saw in the pre-season. He is truely a rebounding freak. I love the way he attacks the boards.

    This entire game for some reason had the feel of the Magic game last season after the brawl. Maybe it was because of Fred Jones shining or maybe it was the underdog mentallity that the fans started to take on, but that's what it felt like to me.

    What the hell did Pollard do to his hair now?


    Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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    Re: What was Eddie Jordan smoking?????

    Peck, I don't think Eddie Jordan has any control over Gilbert Arenas. GA does whatever he wants.

    I guess this is a good thread to be a little nagative. Harrison is not very happy right now. He is in a funk. Several Pacers players throughout the night came up to him and it appeared they told him to "keep his head up" type of stuff. I'm sure he wants more playing time and I'm sure he doiesn't understand why he isn't getting any. But I swear he looks like he has given up for now.


    Edit: I did not mention J.O or AJ in my long post. But AJ played a very good game tonight, yes I know he's not a point guard, but dangit he's a good player and I like him, so there.

    J.O. maybe played his best game of the season tonight, at least after the 1st quarter.

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      Re: What was Eddie Jordan smoking?????

      Originally posted by Unclebuck
      Peck, I don't think Eddie Jordan has any control over Gilbert Arenas. GA does whatever he wants.

      I guess this is a good thread to be a little nagative. Harrison is not very happy right now. He is in a funk. Several Pacers players throughout the night came up to him and it appeared they told him to "keep his head up" type of stuff. I'm sure he wants more playing time and I'm sure he doiesn't understand why he isn't getting any. But I swear he looks like he has given up for now.


      Edit: I did not mention J.O or AJ in my long post. But AJ played a very good game tonight, yes I know he's not a point guard, but dangit he's a good player and I like him, so there.

      J.O. maybe played his best game of the season tonight, at least after the 1st quarter.
      Yea I saw that as well. He really seems to be very down. I just don't understand what Rick is trying to do with him, but he seems to me like the kind of person who will just go further & further into a funk with this kind of treatment.

      I guess it's Rick's job to win, not devolp players (I contend that a successfull David Harrison would lead to wins) so if he honestly thinks he would hurt the team on the floor then he shouldn't play him.

      But honestly as bad as Jeff looks to be limping at times do you think he is really ready to be out there & if not shouldn't David be out there?


      Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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        Re: What was Eddie Jordan smoking?????

        I don't care what he was smokin....as long as he passes it along to the rest of the Coaches that we face between now and June.
        Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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          Re: What was Eddie Jordan smoking?????

          I've noticed everything you guys are talking about and it makes me upset. I do not want David's career to go to waste.

          Everyone says it is about earning your minutes. Play better, and you get your minutes. Foster and Pollard are not earning their mnutes right now.


          I think I may try to be a bit more tolerant of AJ, since he'll be riding the pine as long as Tins is healthy. I just don't like watching him play PG though, although he played good tonight, especially late in the game.
          You, Never? Did the Kenosha Kid?

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            Re: What was Eddie Jordan smoking?????

            [QUOTE=Peck]

            I don't like Harrison at garbage time. I'm sorry but I hate any young player at garbage time because to me they develop nothing but bad habbits during this stage of the game.

            Honestly more & more I think a trip to Tulsa should be in order for David if this is all we are going to do with him for awhile.

            QUOTE]

            I agree with sending him to the D-League if he isn't going to play more. He would get more time to work in game situations and probably be very successful there. That would help his attitude.

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              Re: What was Eddie Jordan smoking?????

              They key is that AJ played the best when he was not playing the point guard position. You know why that is?


              ITS BECAUSE HE IS NOT A POINT GUARD. So when Rick uses him properly instead of destroying the offense he can actually be an asset.

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                Re: What was Eddie Jordan smoking?????

                Originally posted by Peck
                But honestly as bad as Jeff looks to be limping at times do you think he is really ready to be out there & if not shouldn't David be out there?

                I don't think Jeff should be playing. He's not even 50%. The only thing I can figure (besides the fact we need bodies right now) is maybe the doctors/trainers believe the only way he's going to get into good physical condition and regain his quickness, mobility amd movement is for him to play.

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                  Re: What was Eddie Jordan smoking?????

                  I'm in favor of sending anyone we can to the D. Hell, I wish it was like baseball where most rookies spend a year or two down there. But that's as likely as us sending Harrison down. He'll see it as an afront, and it could very well do as much harm as good.

                  And for the record, AJ was playing point. Even Steve Kerr could see that.
                  Come to the Dark Side -- There's cookies!

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                    Re: What was Eddie Jordan smoking?????

                    Originally posted by Kegboy
                    And for the record, AJ was playing point. Even Steve Kerr could see that.
                    Don't make fun of commentator Steve. If things work as they usually do, he will probably be coaching a team in the league before this season is over.

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                      Re: What was Eddie Jordan smoking?????

                      You know who washington needs? Baron Davis and Antoine Walker. Then they'd have the worst 3 point shot chucking team in the history of the NBA by far. I've never seen a team that dribbles the ball up, stands in one spot, and heaves a three after about 5 seconds so often.

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                        Re: What was Eddie Jordan smoking?????

                        I Like Steve Kerr.....
                        Life without water is tough, life without air is hard,life with one leg only is wobbly, Life without Reggie Miller, is impossible.

                        Do Not Trade Austin

                        Originally posted by Conrad Brunner
                        Veteran Austin Croshere, the longest-tenured Pacers player on the roster, has proven reliable when called upon, invariably ready to step in regardless of the circumstance.

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