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    ARTEST DOUBTFUL WITH SORE WRIST
    Slumping Pacers Ponder Changes


    By Conrad Brunner | Dec. 7, 2005
    After the Pacers lost their second in a row and third in four games 84-75 to Dallas Tuesday night, Coach Rick Carlisle indicated a shakeup might be coming.
    "We may be at a point where we need to make some changes; we may not," he said. "That's a judgment I'll have to make."
    There may be one new face in the lineup tomorrow night when the Pacers face the Washington Wizards in Conseco Fieldhouse but the change won't be by choice. Ron Artest missed practice Wednesday with recurring pain in his right wrist and is listed as doubtful, so there will be a different look at small forward.

    Artest

    "I'm not sure who's going to be starting in that position, but there will be a change," said Carlisle after Wednesday's light workout. "Right now, when you lose a guy like Artest, it limits what you could do otherwise."
    Despite the third-best record in the Eastern Conference, the Pacers have battled dramatic inconsistency. They've been good enough to beat Miami twice and snap Cleveland's eight-game winning streak, but bad enough to lose by 32 in Charlotte, blow a 14-point fourth-quarter lead in Milwaukee and drop a home decision to lowly Atlanta.
    The defense has allowed 103.1 points in losses, compared to 82.5 in victories. On nights when the defense has been solid, the offense has gone south, as in the losses to the Hawks and Mavericks.

    O'Neal

    The common threads through all of the problems have been effort and cohesiveness, and the lack thereof has been frustrating. Jermaine O'Neal even broached the topic of making structural changes to the roster if things don't turn around quickly and completely.
    "You go home and you have many sleepless nights trying to figure out what the hell is wrong with this team," said O'Neal. "And it's personal. If any player in this locker room doesn't take it personally, they shouldn't be here. If that doesn't bother them every single day then they should not be here. It makes me sick to death. …
    "We're playing like we have no cause. If we're going to have no cause, then maybe ultimately management needs to think about re-tooling this team. Whoever they feel like is not giving the best effort, maybe it's just putting some guys together who're going to give a better effort. That's from me on down. It's early, but we're growing bad habits."
    Injuries also are a problem. Jamaal Tinsley did not practice and isn't expected to play for the fourth game in a row Thursday night due to a strained thigh and groin. Austin Croshere should return after missing one game with a lower abdominal strain and one to be with his wife for the birth of their second child, a son, Tuesday night. O'Neal will play with a dislocated pinky finger on his left hand, an injury incurred Tuesday night.

    Croshere

    "I don't know if there's anything more disappointing to be a part of than a team that's underachieving," Croshere said. "It's one thing to lose games and not have a lot of talent like we did last year. In a lot of regards, we overachieved last year. It was something you could take a lot of pride in being a part of. This team, it's not that we're 10-7 and we're winning and losing games by playing the same way, and we're a 10-7 team. We're playing great basketball and we're playing horrible basketball and we're doing it differently from night to night. It's frustrating for everybody."
    O'Neal clearly is feeling the full weight of the emotional burden. Though he warned the media he had little to say after exiting the locker room Wednesday, once he began talking, he couldn't contain his emotion or his frustration.
    "We're a very poor team right now," he said. "I apologize to the fans and the people that pay good money to come and watch us. It's a shame they have to see things like this. Hopefully tomorrow we can respond and respond in a major way. …
    "We feel like we have enough guys to play with whoever's out there. Talent doesn't always win games. It does help, but effort wins all the time. You'd rather lose playing your best game with everybody giving 110 percent. But we've been playing with the off-and-on switch all year and that burden rests on everybody's back. It's almost mind-boggling to a point."

    Jasikevicius

    NOTES: Artest has gone 7-of-32 (21.9 percent) from the 3-point in his last 11 games and 15-of-32 (46.9 percent) from the free-throw line in the last six, but he has averaged 3.8 steals in the last five. … Stephen Jackson has averaged 10.4 points on 35.6 percent shooting overall and 17.9 percent from the arc in the last seven. … Sarunas Jasikevicius has averaged 13.0 points and 4.0 assists while shooting 55 percent from the field in three starts filling in for Tinsley at the point. He also has made 19 consecutive free throws… Fred Jones has averaged 8.6 points on 50 percent shooting in the last five. … O'Neal has five consecutive games of at least 20 points and seven double-doubles in the last 10. … The Pacers are 1-3 when Tinsley does not play and 1-4 when he does not start. … The Pacers have been outrebounded by an average margin of 8.7 in their last six losses.

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    Default Re: Pacers.com} Artest Doubtful With Sore Wrist

    At this point I think Rick is going to start Bird at the 3. Person at the 2?

    Has anyone else heard that???

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    Default Re: Pacers.com} Artest Doubtful With Sore Wrist

    So we're looking at this for tomorrow?

    Sarunas/AJ
    Jackson/Fred
    Granger/...Jackson
    Croshere/Foster
    O'Neal/Harrison

    Anyway, again it's his wrist. At this point I'll assume that's the truth, but I have this tiny bug in the back of my mind that makes the word "migraine" come to mind.

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    So Cro is playing tommorrow night?

    JO is really REALLY expressing his emotions right now, even including the word "hell" . Cro summed up his thoughts well
    "I don't know if there's anything more disappointing to be a part of than a team that's underachieving,"

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    I think JO has asserted himself very well since the beginning of the season. I see him taking the lead in fighting for the ball and he seems to be much less flexing, more maturity from him on court IMO.

    I heard someone comment on last nights game that JO didn't get enough offensive rebounds ... I watched the game and a lot of times he was THE ONLY ONE (on OUR team ) going for a rebound at all and fighting for the posession. He got several good offensive rebounds and I think he as one of the few did pretty well. And I think he needs to get some credit for that after some pretty severe heat that he caught (and rightfully) at the beginning of the season. I hope he can press on.

    Regarding Artest, I don't have that "migraine"-voice in the back of my head, but remember I'm a semi/parttime-member of the brigade .

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    I'm glad JO is saying the right things; he is correct. And with his recent play, I have no problem being firmly in his corner, either. He has been who he should be lately, and I'm proud of him.

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    Default Re: Pacers.com} Artest Doubtful With Sore Wrist

    Welp, No Artest, for tommorow, huh?

    Against another good offense in the Wizards?

    We couldn't beat the Hawks without Ron, nothing in my mind thinks we will do any different tommorow.

    *Sighs*

    Also, I am liking JO's comments.

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    10-8?



    On the flip side, I love how vocal JO has been. I hope he goes to management and asks them to ship out whoever is slacking (Jack, Tins?).

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    11-7

    You guys have made a few typos but I'll forgive you.

    From Pacers Confidential:
    Two starters are now doubtful for the Pacers next game. I'm Conrad Brunner and this is the Pacers.com Daily Confidential for Wednesday, December 7th.

    The struggling Pacers got some bad news Wednesday when Ron Artest was unable to practice with recurring pain in his right wrist. Jamaal Tinsley also couldn't practice because of a strained quad and groin. Both starters are listed as doubtful for Thursday night's game against Washington in Conseco Fieldhouse. The Pacers have dropped two in a row and three of four overall heading into Thursday night's game. They've also lost their last two at home. That includes and 84-75 decision to Dallas Tuesday night. After that game, Coach Rick Carlisle indicated he'd strongly consider making some changes. After practice on Wednesday Jermaine O'Neal even broached the possibility of roster moves being necessary if no turnaround is on the way, all of which adds a lot of drama to the nationally televised game which is an 8:00 pm tip-off on TNT. The game will be on the radio on WIBC AM 1070 and you can go to Pacers.com for our exclusive inside the game report after the game.

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    Default Re: Pacers.com} Artest Doubtful With Sore Wrist

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    10-8?



    On the flip side, I love how vocal JO has been. I hope he goes to management and asks them to ship out whoever is slacking (Jack, Tins?).
    He did say early on something like "you are with us or against us... and if you're against us you're not sticking around" or something like that didn't he?
    You, Never? Did the Kenosha Kid?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hicks
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    I'm glad JO is saying the right things; he is correct. And with his recent play, I have no problem being firmly in his corner, either. He has been who he should be lately, and I'm proud of him.
    Agreed.. if we are going to rip JO in the past ,and sometimes for good reason.. let's not glaze over his play and atitude of late.. Very encouraging..
    He is doing his part and that is all anyone can ask..

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    Jermaine O'Neal[/URL] even broached the topic of making structural changes to the roster if things don't turn around quickly and completely.
    "You go home and you have many sleepless nights trying to figure out what the hell is wrong with this team," said O'Neal. "And it's personal. If any player in this locker room doesn't take it personally, they shouldn't be here. If that doesn't bother them every single day then they should not be here. It makes me sick to death. … "We're playing like we have no cause. If we're going to have no cause, then maybe ultimately management needs to think about re-tooling this team. Whoever they feel like is not giving the best effort, maybe it's just putting some guys together who're going to give a better effort. That's from me on down. It's early, but we're growing bad habits."

    I can't believe the highlited quote isn't getting more of a reaction. If everyone was taking things seriously, this couldn't/wouldn't be said. But I'm assuming he thinks he's seeing some players who don't give a crap at this time.

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    I would start

    Sarunas
    Freddy
    Granger
    JO
    Harrison

    We have to get David PT sooner or later and lessen the pressure on JO by moving him to his natural position. Rick Carlisle has every bit of responsibilty with the way our team is performing. I think Jack might be better off coming off the bench if we really dont want to get rid of him... yet.

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