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    I'm not sure who you are thinking is our core.

    To me the core is JO, Ron, Tinsly, and Jax.

    In which they have never played all four, in the playoffs at the same time.

    But have played at least 3 of them 2 years in a row

    But I don't see any reason to believe that they will again this year either. Undoubtably, Tinsly will be sick, or JO will be injured, or Ron and Jax will be in trouble, or something.

    Still, IMO and I'm sorry to say this, but I'd still take their core of Wallace, Wallace, Hamilton, and Billups over ours.
    When healthy, I take our current core over their's, no doubt.

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    Well I'll agree that now we have a better coach.

    But thats about it, unfortunately.

    I look at their supporting cast and it is at least equal to if not better than ours with Prince, McDyess, Arroyo, etc....

    Plus the thing with them is that there starters can and will play a lot.

    I know that you see my "buts" and "ifs" as just that, "buts" and "ifs."

    However to me they are something more, they are history. We cannot expect the same problems that have plagued us each year for a while now just to go away this season.

    Plus, and Brown may have contributed to this, but the Pistons "core" just has us mentally. Rasheed always seems to outplay O'Neal, and I think that is on pure mental strength because JO is the better player.

    Billups is a historically better playoff performer, Tinsley seems to get worse.

    And Hamilton always kills us, but maybe that was Reggie, I don't know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Slade
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    Just so everyone knows last call for the Piston Bandwagon is 6:59p.m.Tonight. That's a One Way Ticket, don't be late... and don't let the door hit ya..
    Like I said earlier, I don't expect the Pistons to return the Finals.

    I'm not on their bandwagon.






    I'm just not on ours either.
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    When healthy, I take our current core over their's, no doubt.
    Not in the playoffs I wouldn't.
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    Well I'll agree that now we have a better coach.

    But thats about it, unfortunately.

    I look at their supporting cast and it is at least equal to if not better than ours with Prince, McDyess, Arroyo, etc....

    Plus the thing with them is that there starters can and will play a lot.

    I know that you see my "buts" and "ifs" as just that, "buts" and "ifs."

    However to me they are something more, they are history. We cannot expect the same problems that have plagued us each year for a while now just to go away this season.

    Plus, and Brown may have contributed to this, but the Pistons "core" just has us mentally. Rasheed always seems to outplay O'Neal, and I think that is on pure mental strength because JO is the better player.

    Billups is a historically better playoff performer, Tinsley seems to get worse.

    And Hamilton always kills us, but maybe that was Reggie, I don't know.
    And once again, I point out that Ben Wallace is the one that mentally came apart last time our "cores" played.

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    Not in the playoffs I wouldn't.
    When have we ever been healthy in the playoffs?

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    Like I said earlier, I don't expect the Pistons to return the Finals.

    I'm not on their bandwagon.






    I'm just not on ours either.
    So...you're picking Miami?

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    When have we ever been healthy in the playoffs?
    But that seems to be tradition now doesn't it?

    What makes you think that this year will be any different?


    And yes I'm picking Miami, not because of Walker or Williams, but because DWade is that good.

    However I look for Cleveland to be a wrecking ball in the playoffs, upsetting quite a few.
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    But that seems to be tradition now doesn't it?

    What makes you think that this year will be any different?


    And yes I'm picking Miami, not because of Walker or Williams, but because DWade is that good.

    However I look for Cleveland to be a wrecking ball in the playoffs, upsetting quite a few.
    I just think that we're due to be healthy. Just like the Pistons are due to face a serious injury or two.

    Regardless, I said I take a healthy Pacers core over a healthy Pistons core, even in the playoffs.

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    I just think that we're due to be healthy. Just like the Pistons are due to face a serious injury or two.

    Regardless, I said I take a healthy Pacers core over a healthy Pistons core, even in the playoffs.
    Sorry, even if they were healthy thats not the only thing stopping them.

    JO has to be able beat Rasheed, has yet to happen.

    Ron has to be able to keep his head out of his *** in the playoffs, yet to happen.

    Tinsley has to stay healthy, and play teamball for the entire playoffs, yet to happen.

    Jax should be okay.
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    Shade, maybe you'll like Greg Anthony's pick better. He's picking Indiana as the scariest team to play in the NBA and believes they will be in the finals.
    You know how hippos are made out to be sweet and silly, like big cows, but are actually extremely dangerous and can kill you with stunning brutality? The Pacers are the NBA's hippos....Matt Moore CBS Sports....

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    I think Runi is going to bail this team out at least once in a critical playoff game.

    Who knows how Granger screws with any team we face. Maybe he can score on Prince (because of similar size, length, and possibly more strength).

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    Sorry, even if they were healthy thats not the only thing stopping them.

    JO has to be able beat Rasheed, has yet to happen.

    Ron has to be able to keep his head out of his *** in the playoffs, yet to happen.

    Tinsley has to stay healthy, and play teamball for the entire playoffs, yet to happen.

    Jax should be okay.
    And despite all of those things, our core pummeled theirs last time they were matched up. Detroit won't be as strong mentally with LB gone, mark my words. And we'll definitely be stronger.

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    I think Runi is going to bail this team out at least once in a critical playoff game.

    Who knows how Granger screws with any team we face. Maybe he can score on Prince (because of similar size, length, and possibly more strength).
    Maybe.

    But any team hoping to take down the two-time EC champs had better not be banking on two rookies in the playoffs.
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    And despite all of those things, our core pummeled theirs last time they were matched up. Detroit won't be as strong mentally with LB gone, mark my words. And we'll definitely be stronger.
    Once again, regular season.

    And your right about them without LB, thats why they won't return to the finals.

    I still expect them to beat us.
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    Once again, regular season.

    And your right about them without LB, thats why they won't return to the finals.

    I still expect them to beat us.
    If it was "just a regular season game," then why did Ben Wallace freak out?

    And, since it's the last time these "cores" faced off, it's the most accurate assessment of match-ups to date.

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    i dont think we are, dont think thats what he was saying either.

    Sarunas was brought in here for his clutch shooting, he's been in big games and knows how to handle the pressure, he's not your run of the mill NBA rookie, he may not have much experiance in big games in the NBA but what he's asked to do is put the ball in the hole, something we all have seem he can do.

    and we wont be banking on granger either in the playoffs, if he does well great but if he doesnt thats not going to be our downfall
    Saras is not a run of the mill rookie, yes, but is still a rookie.

    And I know we are not banking on Granger, however I know we are banking on the core, and I have already stated my concerns with that.
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    Our guys should go out and give Reggie a nice glass of shut the **** up on Thursday once we roll over the Heat

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    If the Pacers lose 3/4 to DET, MIA, CLE, or SA, we'll read a lot of "They can't beat these teams". If they win 3/4, it's "just the regular season".

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    If it was "just a regular seaosn game," then why did Ben Wallace freak out?

    And, since it's the last time these "cores" faced off, it's the most accurate assessment of match-ups to date.
    In comparison, Ben's "freak-out" wasn't the same as Ron's "meltdown."

    And thats my point.

    That was only time these cores have faced each other for the same repeating reasons.

    There is no reason to believe that they won't face each other again in the playoffs, except for wishful thinking.
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    If the Pacers lose 3/4 to DET, MIA, CLE, or SA, we'll read a lot of "They can't beat these teams". If they win 3/4, it's "just the regular season".
    Nope, I'm not gonna count it that way.

    The regular season only matters in getting to the playoffs, so if we lose 3/4 to them, but still make the playoffs then it starts over again. Even if we win 4/0.
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    Anyways kids, gotta go to class now. Talk to ya all tonight.

    Oh and Hicks, the New Castle Trojans are going down to the Horsemen.

    My team's core is unshakable.
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    DD has some valid points. I believe JO needs to change the way he plays against Detroit. Sheed knows how to defend JO. I believe against the Pistons
    JO should be a rebounding and shot blocking fool. Offensively he should be
    a facilitator. JO cannot get his little jump shot off against Sheed in the post.
    He needs to take him out of the post and hit an occasional jumper or drive
    past him to get Sheed to foul him or dunk on him.

    The team as constructed has been mentally weak the past 3 years.
    That has to change. Injuries have got to stop or stronger, more resilient
    teams(Detroit) will de-rail the Pacers again. If the Pacers can have at
    least one healthy center and 2 point guards(one being Tinsley) and
    get mentally tougher they can make it out of the east and have a good
    chance at winning the title. I believe this is the last chance for this group
    of players to prove themselves. It is time.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamond Dave
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    Well I'll agree that now we have a better coach.

    But thats about it, unfortunately.

    I look at their supporting cast and it is at least equal to if not better than ours with Prince, McDyess, Arroyo, etc....

    Plus the thing with them is that there starters can and will play a lot.

    I know that you see my "buts" and "ifs" as just that, "buts" and "ifs."

    However to me they are something more, they are history. We cannot expect the same problems that have plagued us each year for a while now just to go away this season.

    Plus, and Brown may have contributed to this, but the Pistons "core" just has us mentally. Rasheed always seems to outplay O'Neal, and I think that is on pure mental strength because JO is the better player.

    Billups is a historically better playoff performer, Tinsley seems to get worse.

    And Hamilton always kills us, but maybe that was Reggie, I don't know.
    Dave, I think you make a whole lot of sense for those who will listen.

    It reminds me of the old Knicks team that we couldn't seem to get past for quite some time. Those Knicks had a certain cohesion that it took us a while to mimic. More importantly, they had that arrogance/self-confidence that they would best us and enforced that will on us.

    I think the Pistons carry that same demeanor and until we get that, we don't beat them in the playoffs.

    Yeah, on paper, we look great, blah, blah, blah. People have said the same thing for years about the Mavericks. On paper, we look great, but then so do Miami, Grizzlies, etc. I think this year is a trial run to get the pieces in place.

    I don't see us having that arrogant cohesion yet. Rasheed seems to best JO cause he thinks he's better than JO. And Jo seems to sub-consciously buy into it. Tinsley can be a marvel, but Billups seems to be able to bring it when needed in a non-flashy, effective manner.

    I think we're a year away from any real title aspirations. I think even the most optimistic of us can finally ackowledge there are, and will be problems in our lockerroom. That's something fundamental that's hard to get past.

    I love this squad talentwise. Matter of fact, I think it's the most talented squad we've ever had. (except a couple of ABA teams) No hyperbole. I truly believe this. But at what point do we become a unit? How is Cabbage's personality going to affect this team late season? There obviously have been some Ron/Jermaine issues. How is that going to play out?

    Let me put it this way: When you look at the Spurs or Pistons, do you seem personality conflict issues? Or do you see cohesion?

    That is the telling mark of a title contender to me.
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    All Reggie said was he favored the Pistons over the Pacers because the Pistons get along (or something like that). The fact is the Pistons made it to the finals the last two years and until they don't this year or don't make the playoffs at all they're the team to beat.

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