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11/03/2005 Guess The Score - Pacers at Heat

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  • #61
    Re: 11/03/2005 Guess The Score - Pacers at Heat

    Pacers 106
    Heat 105
    You're caught up in the Internet / you think it's such a great asset / but you're wrong, wrong, wrong
    All that fiber optic gear / still cannot take away the fear / like an island song

    - Jimmy Buffett

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    • #62
      Re: 11/03/2005 Guess The Score - Pacers at Heat

      Pacers 82
      Miami 90

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      • #63
        Re: 11/03/2005 Guess The Score - Pacers at Heat

        Pacers 91
        Heat 90

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        • #64
          Re: 11/03/2005 Guess The Score - Pacers at Heat

          Pacers 98
          Heat 92

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          • #65
            Re: 11/03/2005 Guess The Score - Pacers at Heat

            Pacers 90 Heat 88

            It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

            Division Champions 1955, 1956, 1988, 1989, 1990, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008
            Conference Champions 1955, 1956, 1988, 2005
            NBA Champions 1989, 1990, 2004

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            • #66
              Re: 11/03/2005 Guess The Score - Pacers at Heat

              Miami 101

              Indiana 87
              Ever notice how friendly folks are at a shootin' range??.

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              • #67
                Re: 11/03/2005 Guess The Score - Pacers at Heat

                Pacers 92
                Heaters 88
                Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

                ------

                "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                -John Wooden

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                • #68
                  This Contest Is Closed

                  This guess the score contest is now closed. The following guesses have been successfully recorded:

                  Code:
                  Poster                          Pacers      Opponent    
                  Alabama-Redneck                 94          88          
                  Bball                           92          88          
                  Believe_in_blue                 90          98          
                  BillS                           111         108         
                  BostonConnection                90          88          
                  Burtrem Redneck                 87          79          
                  CableKC                         97          95          
                  Cactus Jax                      98          92          
                  Coach                           96          92          
                  DANCINGHARRY                    103         97          
                  Doug                            106         105         
                  Frank Slade                     102         98          
                  GO!!!!!                         95          92          
                  Grant                           93          95          
                  Gyron                           101         93          
                  Hicks                           94          92          
                  Hurricane                       95          93          
                  Iceman1                         96          98          
                  Isaac@Section216                99          98          
                  JAMoore                         92          89          
                  J_2_Da_IzzO                     98          87          
                  Jay@Section204                  93          101         
                  Kstat                           90          88          
                  Lord Helmet                     94          91          
                  Los Angeles                     94          96          
                  MSA2CF                          90          80          
                  MagicRat                        89          85          
                  MistyRo76                       96          93          
                  Mourning                        106         101         
                  NorCal_Pacerfan                 102         94          
                  PaCeRs_GuRL                     96          91          
                  Pacers#1Fan                     98          92          
                  Pistoner                        82          90          
                  Raskolnikov                     93          86          
                  RoboDoug                        89          93          
                  SamBear                         97          95          
                  SoupIsGood                      97          96          
                  Spicoli                         86          91          
                  StephanJackson1                 107         102         
                  Suaveness                       91          97          
                  SycamoreKen                     86          83          
                  Tony Valente                    101         95          
                  Will Galen                      97          89          
                  aceace                          107         100         
                  brs14ku                         87          90          
                  btowncolt                       85          94          
                  cramerica                       98          87          
                  dewman_32                       98          94          
                  donny                           91          90          
                  flying dutchman                 92          89          
                  fwpacerfan                      98          94          
                  gilpdawg                        90          96          
                  granger                         92          90          
                  heywoode                        90          84          
                  hoopburners                     105         88          
                  hoopsforlife                    89          88          
                  indygeezer                      87          101         
                  indytoad                        89          97          
                  obnoxiousmodesty                91          98          
                  peacers                         101         95          
                  penbert66                       87          91          
                  rcarey                          82          97          
                  reggieonly                      96          93          
                  thought_criminal                108         105         
                  tora tora                       94          88          
                  travmil                         99          91          
                  zag                             93          90

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                  • #69
                    Re: 11/03/2005 Guess The Score - Pacers at Heat

                    RoboDoug gave up on trying to score this one.

                    Looks like nba.com changed the format of their printable box score page.

                    I'll put the final score in by hand tonight.
                    You're caught up in the Internet / you think it's such a great asset / but you're wrong, wrong, wrong
                    All that fiber optic gear / still cannot take away the fear / like an island song

                    - Jimmy Buffett

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                    • #70
                      Re: 11/03/2005 Guess The Score - Pacers at Heat

                      Well, just running down the scores, it looks like Mourning and StephenJackson1 tied for the win. Both were off by 2.

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                      • #71
                        Re: 11/03/2005 Guess The Score - Pacers at Heat

                        Heck yeah, that's what i'm talking about!

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                        • #72
                          Re: 11/03/2005 Guess The Score - Pacers at Heat

                          Poster Pacers Opponent Off By
                          Mourning 106 101 2
                          StephanJackson1 107 102 2
                          aceace 107 100 4
                          Doug 106 105 4
                          thought_criminal 108 105 6
                          DANCINGHARRY 103 97 7
                          Frank Slade 102 98 7
                          Isaac@Section216 99 98 10
                          NorCal_Pacerfan 102 94 11
                          peacers 101 95 11
                          Tony Valente 101 95 11
                          BillS 111 108 12
                          Gyron 101 93 13
                          Iceman1 96 98 13
                          Jay@Section204 93 101 13
                          hoopburners 105 88 14
                          SoupIsGood 97 96 14
                          CableKC 97 95 15
                          dewman_32 98 94 15
                          fwpacerfan 98 94 15
                          SamBear 97 95 15
                          Cactus Jax 98 92 17
                          Los Angeles 94 96 17
                          Pacers#1Fan 98 92 17
                          travmil 99 91 17
                          MistyRo76 96 93 18
                          obnoxiousmodesty 91 98 18
                          reggieonly 96 93 18
                          Believe_in_blue 90 98 19
                          Coach 96 92 19
                          Grant 93 95 19
                          Hurricane 95 93 19
                          indygeezer 87 101 19
                          Suaveness 91 97 19
                          GO!!!!! 95 92 20
                          PaCeRs_GuRL 96 91 20
                          gilpdawg 90 96 21
                          Hicks 94 92 21
                          indytoad 89 97 21
                          Will Galen 97 89 21
                          cramerica 98 87 22
                          J_2_Da_IzzO 98 87 22
                          Lord Helmet 94 91 22
                          zag 93 90 24
                          Alabama-Redneck 94 88 25
                          granger 92 90 25
                          RoboDoug 89 93 25
                          tora tora 94 88 25
                          donny 91 90 26
                          flying dutchman 92 89 26
                          JAMoore 92 89 26
                          Bball 92 88 27
                          btowncolt 85 94 28
                          Raskolnikov 93 86 28
                          rcarey 82 97 28
                          BostonConnection 90 88 29
                          Kstat 90 88 29
                          penbert66 87 91 29
                          brs14ku 87 90 30
                          hoopsforlife 89 88 30
                          Spicoli 86 91 30
                          heywoode 90 84 33
                          MagicRat 89 85 33
                          Pistoner 82 90 35
                          MSA2CF 90 80 37
                          SycamoreKen 86 83 38
                          Burtrem Redneck 87 79 41
                          PSN: MRat731 XBL: MRat0731

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                          • #73
                            Re: 11/03/2005 Guess The Score - Pacers at Heat

                            I can't believe I changed my score. STUPID STUPID STUPID..
                            “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” - Winston Churchill

                            “If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to serve as a horrible warning.” - Catherine Aird

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                            • #74
                              Re: 11/03/2005 Guess The Score - Pacers at Heat

                              man...on the Orlando game I was off by 3 now I'm off by 20! Atleast tha Pacers won!

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                              • #75
                                Drumroll please...

                                Code:
                                Final score:
                                
                                Pacers              105  
                                Heat                102  
                                
                                Code:
                                Poster                          Pacers          Heat            OffBy  WillsGame 
                                Mourning                        106             101             2      Win       
                                StephanJackson1                 107             102             2      Win       
                                aceace                          107             100             4      Win       
                                Doug                            106             105             4      Win       
                                thought_criminal                108             105             6      Win       
                                DANCINGHARRY                    103             97              7      Win       
                                Frank Slade                     102             98              7      Win       
                                Isaac@Section216                99              98              10     Win       
                                NorCal_Pacerfan                 102             94              11     Win       
                                peacers                         101             95              11     Win       
                                Tony Valente                    101             95              11     Win       
                                BillS                           111             108             12     Win       
                                Gyron                           101             93              13     Win       
                                Iceman1                         96              98              13     Loss      
                                Jay@Section204                  93              101             13     Loss      
                                hoopburners                     105             88              14     Win       
                                SoupIsGood                      97              96              14     Win       
                                CableKC                         97              95              15     Win       
                                dewman_32                       98              94              15     Win       
                                fwpacerfan                      98              94              15     Win       
                                SamBear                         97              95              15     Win       
                                Cactus Jax                      98              92              17     Win       
                                Los Angeles                     94              96              17     Loss      
                                Pacers#1Fan                     98              92              17     Win       
                                travmil                         99              91              17     Win       
                                MistyRo76                       96              93              18     Win       
                                obnoxiousmodesty                91              98              18     Loss      
                                reggieonly                      96              93              18     Win       
                                Believe_in_blue                 90              98              19     Loss      
                                Coach                           96              92              19     Win       
                                Grant                           93              95              19     Loss      
                                Hurricane                       95              93              19     Win       
                                indygeezer                      87              101             19     Loss      
                                Suaveness                       91              97              19     Loss      
                                GO!!!!!                         95              92              20     Win       
                                PaCeRs_GuRL                     96              91              20     Win       
                                gilpdawg                        90              96              21     Loss      
                                Hicks                           94              92              21     Win       
                                indytoad                        89              97              21     Loss      
                                Will Galen                      97              89              21     Win       
                                cramerica                       98              87              22     Win       
                                J_2_Da_IzzO                     98              87              22     Win       
                                Lord Helmet                     94              91              22     Win       
                                zag                             93              90              24     Win       
                                Alabama-Redneck                 94              88              25     Win       
                                granger                         92              90              25     Win       
                                RoboDoug                        89              93              25     Loss      
                                tora tora                       94              88              25     Win       
                                donny                           91              90              26     Win       
                                flying dutchman                 92              89              26     Win       
                                JAMoore                         92              89              26     Win       
                                Bball                           92              88              27     Win       
                                btowncolt                       85              94              28     Loss      
                                Raskolnikov                     93              86              28     Win       
                                rcarey                          82              97              28     Loss      
                                BostonConnection                90              88              29     Win       
                                Kstat                           90              88              29     Win       
                                penbert66                       87              91              29     Loss      
                                brs14ku                         87              90              30     Loss      
                                hoopsforlife                    89              88              30     Win       
                                Spicoli                         86              91              30     Loss      
                                heywoode                        90              84              33     Win       
                                MagicRat                        89              85              33     Win       
                                Pistoner                        82              90              35     Loss      
                                MSA2CF                          90              80              37     Win       
                                SycamoreKen                     86              83              38     Win       
                                Burtrem Redneck                 87              79              41     Win

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