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  • Indy Star: Bender's Blues

    http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dl...TS04/511010420

    Is this letting us know that not only has Bender's body been ailing but also his feelings have been hurt too... or is it more- signaling us to go easy on him because he isn't really ready/healed even yet?

    Tinsley has 'flu like' symptoms again and Pollard is very doubtful for opener (info at bottom of article).

    -Bball
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    Bender's blues
    Brother, sister guide Pacer through struggles
    Frequent injuries have sidelined him, making him a target for fans' taunts

    By Mike Wells
    mike.wells@indystar.com


    Donnell Spriggs remembers several occasions when his younger brother, Indiana Pacers forward Jonathan Bender, told him about the negative reception he received from fans at Conseco Fieldhouse. The feedback came while Bender was supporting teammates from the bench in street clothes.
    In some arenas, negative comments are expected for a millionaire who has been limited to 73 games the past three seasons because of injury. The Pacers and Bender's family, though, have trouble understanding the fans' angst. It's not as if Bender has tried to get hurt, they say.


    "I told him people downgrade him, few are going to uplift him," said Spriggs, 31, seven years older than Bender. "Through it all, he has to live with it and he can't let anything discourage him. I told him he couldn't let it bother or humble him."

    Every time it does, Bender turns to Spriggs and sister Valerie McDowell.
    Questions will continue to arise because no one, not even Bender, can say his left knee is healthy. He showed flashes of his ability in the preseason, then missed games and practices as a precaution. That continues to send red flags as the season opener approaches Wednesday at Orlando.

    That's why he looks forward to those daily phone calls and visits from his siblings, who moved to Indianapolis several years ago.

    "We talk just about every day," said McDowell, 28. "We try to help him stay focused and think positive. The knee injury has been pretty consistent. It's easy to get discouraged, so we're his arms to hold him up."

    The season that wasn't

    The bio in the team's media guide clearly states Bender scored 36 points in 93 minutes while appearing in seven games last season. Saying he missed the 2004-05 season would have been almost as accurate.

    Bender got off on, well, the wrong knee last season. He injured his left knee when he collided with Atlanta Hawks guard Jon Barry in a pickup game, and never really recovered.

    He missed most of the preseason workouts but opened the regular season with 11 points against Cleveland. He played in one of the next eight games before being placed on the injured list. The Pacers, and his family, remained optimistic Bender would return.

    "I told him Jerry Rice tore his (anterior cruciate ligament) and he came back in the same season and scored a touchdown," Spriggs said. "I've never seen (Bender not proud), but I saw him discouraged."

    The lack of progress in Bender's rehabilitation prompted the Pacers to put an end to his season in February.

    The more Bender sat on the bench -- sporting designer clothes and jewelry that his money can buy -- the more fans ridiculed him.
    "I think for a young player, he wants to play, but he's hurt," Pacers CEO Donnie Walsh said. "He's been told he can't play by our medical people. To hear people act like he's choosing not to play, I think that would get to anybody."

    Bender's body language doesn't do him any favors. Mellow and subdued, he can appear he doesn't care.

    "He's a very laid-back person," Spriggs said. "I have spoken to him at times and told him he has to let his emotions go. He said he doesn't know how to do it. I told him he has to win the crowd. When you win the crowd, you never go wrong."

    Got to get away

    Bender insists he brushed off the negative comments. Walsh, Spriggs and McDowell disagreed. They saw a frustrated, dejected player who needed to get away. Last March, the Pacers sent him to Boston to work with physical therapist Dan Dyrek.

    "He was really depressed last year," Walsh said. ". . . Being around here with the team wasn't doing him any good. By sending him to Boston, he could completely concentrate on his knee."

    Several states away, Bender's mind never strayed far from Conseco Fieldhouse. He flew back for games or watched the Pacers on television.
    "It helped being away a little bit," Bender said. "It's a good and bad situation. I was still thinking about things when I saw them on TV."

    Spriggs didn't commute with Bender back and forth to Boston, but he offered encouragement daily.

    "I constantly told him to focus on having fun again," Spriggs said. " 'You have to work in rehabbing, but you have to have fun. You are talented, but do you have the heart, do you have the guts?' I told him those were the questions he had to answer."

    Bender was beginning to have fun this summer. His knee was responding. His outlook was improving.

    Dyrek told Walsh that Bender was ahead of his rehabilitation schedule. Rehab took a back seat, though, in late August. Hurricane Katrina ravaged the Gulf Coast, uprooting millions, including Bender's family in his hometown of Picayune, Miss.

    Bender led a relief effort that he said "has basically been my life since it happened." He loaded trucks with supplies and rented apartments locally for family members and friends.

    "When the hurricane hit, that took him out of treatment and some of his conditioning work for two or three weeks," Walsh said. "To a degree, he's catching up on that. . . . I really respected the work he did to help out those people down there."

    The risk in hope

    The Pacers understand the risk that comes with keeping Bender.
    "Nobody has declared him permanently disabled," Walsh said. "If a guy is out there playing and he doesn't prove himself, then I think the franchise and the player can take criticism. When a guy is injured, he didn't get injured on purpose."

    Bender knows all about hope. That's all he and the Pacers can do. Hope this season isn't a repeat of the previous three.

    Bender, who considers himself a point guard in a power forward's body, looked youthful again when he displayed his quickness and explosiveness during the preseason. Every dunk was done with authority. He displayed ballhandling skills by blowing past big men.

    "I'm more comfortable driving than banging," he said. "I feel like I can take my man off the dribble every time."

    It's that type of potential that keeps the hope alive. It also fosters frustration every time he returns to the sideline.

    "It's critical that the Pacers manage Jonathan well during the season," said Mackie Shilstone, Bender's trainer during the summer. "I told the Pacers I think Jonathan has a certain number of minutes, and he has to come back and be worked into things. It's not going to be good if they cross that threshold of minutes because it's uncertain how much his body can take."

    Etc.

    Point guard Jamaal Tinsley missed practice Monday with flu-like symptoms. Tinsley, who practiced Sunday, sat out the second half of Friday's game against Washington with the same symptoms. . . . Forward Ron Artest was dismissed early from practice to tend to a family matter. . . . Jeff Foster, Scot Pollard and Eddie Gill were on the Pacers' inactive list Monday. A rule in the new collective bargaining agreement allows teams to change their roster on a game-to-game basis.
    Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

    ------

    "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

    -John Wooden

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    Re: Indy Star: Bender's Blues

    And Pollard appears to be more than doubtful now since he is on the inactive list... I just saw that. I read this in print and then found and copied it from the web. I didn't bother to cross reference the info from the web with my newspaper. It looks like the web version was updated.

    -Bball
    Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

    ------

    "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

    -John Wooden

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      Re: Indy Star: Bender's Blues

      Originally posted by btowncolt
      Looks like Saras might be starting even sooner than some thought..........

      Has Tins ever considered taking vitamins? How many times last year did we hear that Tinsley had "flu like symptoms"?

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        Re: Indy Star: Bender's Blues

        Originally posted by Bball
        "It's critical that the Pacers manage Jonathan well during the season," said Mackie Shilstone, Bender's trainer during the summer. "I told the Pacers I think Jonathan has a certain number of minutes, and he has to come back and be worked into things. It's not going to be good if they cross that threshold of minutes because it's uncertain how much his body can take."
        How ironic......This is an excellent example of what the problem has been. It took probably Bird to make the decision for Jon to see an expert on joint problems (Dyrek) to get the ball rolling. Shilstone is a dietician and that's where his expertise is. Has this been Bender's problem all along? Thinking a trainer from Louisanna will have the answers? Thinking working out at a division III school the past several years was the answer? Who has been giving Jon Bender advice previous to the last year?
        You know how hippos are made out to be sweet and silly, like big cows, but are actually extremely dangerous and can kill you with stunning brutality? The Pacers are the NBA's hippos....Matt Moore CBS Sports....

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          Re: Indy Star: Bender's Blues

          Regarding Tins and vitamin's, didn't we hear somewhere that some of the "flu like symptom's" were actually another problem? I thought I read somewhere on here that he had hemmeroid's(sp?) but they didn't want to release that as the reason for obvious reasons?

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            Re: Indy Star: Bender's Blues

            Originally posted by Gyron
            Regarding Tins and vitamin's, didn't we hear somewhere that some of the "flu like symptom's" were actually another problem? I thought I read somewhere on here that he had hemmeroid's(sp?) but they didn't want to release that as the reason for obvious reasons?

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              Re: Indy Star: Bender's Blues

              Originally posted by Gyron
              Regarding Tins and vitamin's, didn't we hear somewhere that some of the "flu like symptom's" were actually another problem? I thought I read somewhere on here that he had hemmeroid's(sp?) but they didn't want to release that as the reason for obvious reasons?
              Obvious reasons? If you got 'roids, you got 'roids. What's the big deal. Why keep that a secret.

              Hey, I got 'roids, and i don't care who knows it.

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              • #8
                Re: Indy Star: Bender's Blues

                Bad bball hurt Bendy's little feelings. Bad, bad bball.

                Now bball, go to your room and don't come out until you're ready to tell Bendy you're sorry.
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                Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
                Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
                Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
                And life itself, rushing over me
                Life itself, the wind in black elms,
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                  Re: Indy Star: Bender's Blues

                  Originally posted by Bball
                  http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dl...TS04/511010420
                  "It's critical that the Pacers manage Jonathan well during the season," said Mackie Shilstone, Bender's trainer during the summer. "I told the Pacers I think Jonathan has a certain number of minutes, and he has to come back and be worked into things. It's not going to be good if they cross that threshold of minutes because it's uncertain how much his body can take."
                  I wonder what that threshold is.

                  Although I would hope and pray that we can see him make it through an entire season....I'm beginning to think of it as a matter of conditioning. His body ( for now ) has only played in 73 games over the last 3 seasons.....it could be that he's simply not ready to hit the floor running at 100%......but rather better to simply get him used to running at 75% for this season and then see what happens from there. Maybe Bender simply needs to ease into it and work at conditioning his body to get used to the rigors of an NBA season so that he can build up the strength of his knee/body.

                  If this threshold is 10-20 mpg range and not playing back-to-back games....but it means in the end that he can make it through 2/3 of the season, I would be happy with that.
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                  • #10
                    Re: Indy Star: Bender's Blues

                    Originally posted by Harddrive7
                    Has Tins ever considered taking vitamins? How many times last year did we hear that Tinsley had "flu like symptoms"?
                    Training to your max capacity compromises your immune system frequently.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Indy Star: Bender's Blues

                      Originally posted by CableKC
                      I wonder what that threshold is.

                      Although I would hope and pray that we can see him make it through an entire season....I'm beginning to think of it as a matter of conditioning. His body ( for now ) has only played in 73 games over the last 3 seasons.....it could be that he's simply not ready to hit the floor running at 100%....
                      Which doesn't give me warm fuzzy feelings about his decision to skip the summer games after 1 game.

                      And call me cold-hearted but the man is a multi-millionaire thanks to the Pacers... exactly why did his support of Katrina victims have to be a setback to his conditioning routine? I'm afraid I don't see how he couldn't have done both. What exactly required his absence away from his conditioning routine outside of maybe a day or so? He has the money to HIRE experienced people to do any work he did for Katrina victims.

                      I have a feeling I'll catch for that comment.

                      -Bball
                      Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

                      ------

                      "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                      -John Wooden

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                      • #12
                        Re: Indy Star: Bender's Blues

                        Originally posted by Bball
                        Which doesn't give me warm fuzzy feelings about his decision to skip the summer games after 1 game.

                        And call me cold-hearted but the man is a multi-millionaire thanks to the Pacers... exactly why did his support of Katrina victims have to be a setback to his conditioning routine? I'm afraid I don't see how he couldn't have done both. What exactly required his absence away from his conditioning routine outside of maybe a day or so? He has the money to HIRE experienced people to do any work he did for Katrina victims.

                        I have a feeling I'll catch for that comment.

                        -Bball
                        Not here, I agree.
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                        • #13
                          Re: Indy Star: Bender's Blues

                          Did the story just change again, for the third F'n time?

                          Now we're back to the Jon knocked knees in a pickup game as an injury, which is what they said when it happened.

                          But last season didn't they try & give us a song & dance about how he had a problem with his knee because he grew to fast & there there was some old injury from high school that caused him pain & made it so his knee was out of place?

                          Now we're back to just what they said the first time.

                          Also, & trust me I know most people hate me for this but oh well, what does this have to do with the time he wouldn't play with a bruised shoulder?

                          A bruise!!!!!!!!!!

                          Look, as I said last year, I understand if his knee hurts his knee hurts. But does it really hurt so much that he couldn't set a pick or a wide screen?


                          Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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                          • #14
                            Re: Indy Star: Bender's Blues

                            This article has confused me a little. That's the one thing that frustrates me the most, one day we are all hyped up for Bender and the next we don't know what the hell is going on. I hope he does well, I mean I really really want to see this guy do what he is capable of but I only have so much hope left in me.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Indy Star: Bender's Blues

                              At least he's putting his money to good use.

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