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    Say what you will about "the brawl" and how it pretty much ended our entire season, but noone can deny how big of a star Ron Artest has became since it. The guy is everywhere! Doing talk shows, on the cover of mainstream magazines, in videos etc.

    Do you all like this? Do you like that Artest is brining more national exposure to the Pacers, or do you think it will distract Ron?

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    It's a classic journalism trick. They are propping him up, knowing that he's as likely to explode again as he is to succeed. How much did you see Rodman, and what did he do exactly other than rebound and ride superstars to NBA titles?

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    Ron has become a pawn in the big-media ratings sweepstakes.

    So he'll have to keep being outrageous in order to stay in the limelight. Or else they'll just toss him aside when something new comes along.

    Only time will tell if Ron can really handle all of this. Historically, he's snapped under far less pressure. This is either setting up another big-time meltdown or he really grew up a bunch during the suspension and he's just getting a kick out of either denying it or contradicting himself when he's interviewed.

    And that doesn't even touch on the question of how does this impact the rest of his teammates? Especially the ones who played valiantly in his absence last season. He get's the big "hero's welcome" when he returns when we should still be thanking the guys that toughed-it-out in his absence and gave us a semi-competitive playoff run (in honor of Reggie) to cheer about.
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    I agree, I think the bigger issue is going to be with how the rest of the team deals with Ron getting all of this attention.

    Is Jermaine going to really going to be this older mature leader, or is he going to pout?

    Is Jack going to continue to say things to get media attention on him?

    This spotlight on Ron is going to test all of this chemistry the team supposedly has.

    I definitley dont agree that Ron is like Rodman in riding superstars. If that were the case, why didn't Indy win w/o him?? (After JO & Jack were back, and comfortable in the rotation)

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    I definitley dont agree that Ron is like Rodman in riding superstars. If that were the case, why didn't Indy win w/o him?? (After JO & Jack were back, and comfortable in the rotation)
    I wasn't comparing Ron's game to Rodman. I was comparing the way the media has taken hold of Ron the way they did Rodman.

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    I'll agree completely that Artest and the fight have brought the Pacers to a greater level of awareness. Two years ago, even winning 60+ games, I would talk to an average person about the Pacers and they would say something like "I didn't know Indiana had a pro team" or "That's Reggie Miller's team, right?"

    Now I hear this : "Indiana Pacers? That the team that attacked fans, right?"

    As a fan, I would rather the team be known for winning, not fighting, acting crazy and using the term "racist" in public interviews.

    After decades of cultivating a superior franchise image, it's dissapointing that the Pacers suddenly be the latest national symbol for "crazy" pro athletes.

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    After decades of cultivating a superior franchise image, it's dissapointing that the Pacers suddenly be the latest national symbol for "crazy" pro athletes.
    Random musings...

    Maybe we didn't cultivate a superior franchise image.... Maybe we didn't cultivate any image!? Maybe we only thought we did thanks to our lily soft local press of the recent past as they told us of the choirboy players and penultimate GM leading the franchise with the best durned owners in all of sports? Maybe the local press was so busy spreading sunshine and burying conflicts rather than reporting them that they simply made the team 'bland' to the outside world... even as we were winning...

    As I hear stories like what you opened with (Pacers not known), I have to wonder. And if we did cultivate a "superior franchise image" we didn't get much benefit of the doubt due to it last season nor has it helped mitigate this: "Indiana Pacers? That the team that attacked fans, right?"

    Of course, we're certainly not cultivating the right image now... but maybe some truthful reporting, team personality, and followed by wins can actually do some good in the long run.

    Altho one Artest explosion and we're the NBA laughing stock... or whipping boy... again.

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    All good points, Bball.

    Publically I think the pacers were right up there with the Jazz. Good stars, good records, good basketball, loyal fans, not much controversy (except for some Reggie goading, which all had directly to do with the competition of the sport rather than the policies of the League).

    Outside of Indiana, to NBA fans, they were a competitive and respectable bunch (whether you liked them or disliked them, everyone still for the most part respected them). Non-NBA fans did not really know who they were, and that was just the way it was.

    The key is that they could have found out through the Accomplishments of the team. Instead, many non-NBA fans first impressions of the franchise were from November 19, 2004.

    I would have loved to see the Pacers reach the national spotlight that the Colts receive today. Meaning, national press based on accomplishments rather than controversy.

    The Pacers finally have the spotlight. And it's for all the wrong reasons.

    I really wish these guys - and particularly Artest - would just shut the **** up and win. In only that way, they can maintain the spotlight and mold thier image into something positive.

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    Artest is the NBA's token Crazy Guy.

    The media will pay special attention to him because he now transcends basketball. People who know nothing about him as a hoop player know about him as a Crazy Guy. Media that is looking for higher ratings, or higher sales, will feature him knowing that people will stop what they are doing and watch or read about Ron because they are familiar with him as "that Crazy Guy".

    He IS the new Rodman.

    Unfortunately, Rodman relished the role as the Crazy Guy, and kept upping the ante by doing more and more outrageous things. Hopefully Artest will be more mature about it.

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    As an out of state Pacer fan my prospective is that the attention Ron brings the franchise is not good. He comes off as an idiot and that has more todo with his actions and words than the Indy media.
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    I sat at lunch and listened to some guys at the next table plan their fantasy basketball drafts.

    Interesting comments when they'd come across certain Pacers players that have shown a tendency to get suspended...

    That's "our" team, in the eye of the national NBA viewer. We are the team with the crazy guy that fights/ flips off the fans and we're the team with guys like JO and Jackson, etc. that just aren't disciplined/ smart enough to NOT follow him up there.

    Lets' just say they ultimately decided JO would be worth the risk when drafting. The other guys - not so much.
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    As an out of state Pacer fan my prospective is that the attention Ron brings the franchise is not good. He comes off as an idiot and that has more todo with his actions and words than the Indy media.
    My point wasn't that Artest is now bringing us some much needed exposure... it was that the Artest situation (spotlight), and people seemingly only knowing the Pacers thru it, might show we've been basking in our own anonymity.

    Maybe that is the team's fault, the local media's fault, the city's (or state's) fault, or even the league's fault for not rewarding a deserving franchise (supposedly model franchise) with the basking glow of "league sanctioned" good publicity.

    Or maybe we've been a model franchise... just the wrong model...

    ...Or maybe I don't know what I am talking about...



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    Maybe we didn't cultivate a superior franchise image.... Maybe we didn't cultivate any image!? Maybe we only thought we did thanks to our lily soft local press of the recent past as they told us of the choirboy players and penultimate GM leading the franchise with the best durned owners in all of sports? Maybe the local press was so busy spreading sunshine and burying conflicts rather than reporting them that they simply made the team 'bland' to the outside world... even as we were winning...
    You have a pretty skewed view of the team, me thinks. I don't think an image was "cultivated," per se, it just was. It's been an extension of the people who run the organization, who happen to be pretty decent people. So there's your image. Ron didn't suddenly expose a dark underbelly to the franchise that you seem to imply. And there's been no cover-up or turning a blind eye going on. Like any smart company, they try to maintain a certain image and stature through various methods, and PR happens to be one of them - whose primary function is to paint the company in as favorable light as possible. What company doesn't do that? A stupid one. Now, of course, Ron and his silly antics have certainly brought another dimension to the face of the team that they're just trying to deal with in the best way they know how. But did he expose anything? That's being awful cynical. I know it may frustrate you, but you aren't entitled to know everything that goes on in any organization. Surely you understand there is sensitive information in every company that they want to keep as quiet as possible for obvious reasons.

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    Altho one Artest explosion and we're the NBA laughing stock... or whipping boy... again.
    Whipping boy? When has this team ever been the league's whipping boy? Despite everything last year, this team still pretty much commanded respect.

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    You have a pretty skewed view of the team, me thinks. I don't think an image was "cultivated," per se, it just was. It's been an extension of the people, who run the organization who happen to be pretty decent people. So there's your image. Ron didn't suddenly expose a dark underbelly to the franchise that you seem to imply.
    No...no...no...
    I wasn't trying to imply that at all. Not like that anyway. I was saying the local media kept things so 'squeaky clean' and painted such a positive picture of happy campers to the point that it made us 'bland'.

    And there's been no cover-up or turning a blind eye going on. Like any smart company, they try to maintain a certain image and stature through various methods, and PR happens to be one of them - whose primary function in any company is to paint that company in as favorable light as possible. What company doesn't do that? A stupid one. Now, of course, Ron and his silly antics have certainly brought another dimension to the face of the team that they're just trying to deal with in the best way they know how. But did he expose anything?
    I never meant to say that Ron exposed any dark underside. If anything he exposed the fact that nationally many didn't know who the Pacers were, or much about them, and in some cases that they even existed. I think that is true even statewide to some degree.

    IOW... for all our supposed good as a model franchise it didn't spill over into visibility. So my musings were 'why' that might be the case.

    Read my followup posting because I think that might clear things a little. In it, when I said maybe the Pacers weren't the 'model' franchise the league was looking for I meant we didn't embrace the STAR formula or try some of the avenues the league used as marketing...

    We basically looked a whole lot like they are now trying to look by trying to clean up the image some (as in the dress code for one thing).

    That's being awful cynical. I know it may frustrate you, but you aren't entitled to know everything that goes on in any organization. Surely you understand there is always sensitive information in any company that they want to keep as quiet as possible for obvious reasons.
    I don't know that the newspaper has to sit on the info or flatout lie if they know something. It's not national security at issue if they tell us Artest lied about the migraines (when the info is current)....

    Whipping boy? When has this team ever been the league's whipping boy? Despite everything last year, this team still pretty much commanded respect.
    I think you are looking at that comment from the opposite angle. I meant the Pacers were an easy target to drop extra serious suspensions upon and not think twice about it (because of the "Who are the Pacers?" lack of natl exposure) . OTOH, the Pistons/Palace/Security/Fans didn't even get a public slap on the wrist or a verbal reprimand from the league. ...Which left the Pacers to bear the full publicity repercussions of the whole thing.

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    I really don't care what non-NBA fans think of our franchise. You know right off the bat they are uninformed. These are probably the same people that think the Spurs are boring, the Lakers are title contenders every year, and that the NBA is nothing but a league full of 'thugs.'
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    I agree, I think the bigger issue is going to be with how the rest of the team deals with Ron getting all of this attention.

    Is Jermaine going to really going to be this older mature leader, or is he going to pout?

    Is Jack going to continue to say things to get media attention on him?

    This spotlight on Ron is going to test all of this chemistry the team supposedly has.

    I definitley dont agree that Ron is like Rodman in riding superstars. If that were the case, why didn't Indy win w/o him?? (After JO & Jack were back, and comfortable in the rotation)
    Maybe it will be like in the Mighty Ducks 2 where they give Coach Bombay all those endorsement deals. It distracts the team but then Bombay says forget this stuff and gets back in the team spirit.

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    I can understand that, and I agree with that for the most part.

    But how about the NBA fans?

    Like Jay, I went to work today and actually got a lunch. The table in the next section (we have 55 sections in our cafeteria) were discussing NBA teams. When they were talking about Detroit and then Indiana, guess what came up. "Yeah, maybe we can get another good fight this year?" "I wonder how long Artest will last this season"

    And this is coming from guys who follow the NBA more then me.........
    Those are legit comments, considering this is just a year after the NBA's worst incident, but I still don't particularly care what they think. Slightly though. If I knew them and respected their opinion it's different though.
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    I don't care what other fans think of the Pacers. It doesn't concern me one bit. What does it matter.

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