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    Yeah what's the logic behind removing the post counts. I now have no idea whether some of these guys are new posters or guys I never noticed before.
    This can be a good thing IMO.

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    I've un-done the 8 character limit, I think it's over the top after seeing it for a few hours. Just don't abuse it.

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    This can be a good thing IMO.
    Yeah I guess - the guy above had a good point about being welcomed several times. That'd get pretty old.

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    And if it gets out of hand, I've got plenty money to blow and we'll start are own pacersdigest two.
    Between you and Soup, I just love the votes of confidence.

    Did either of you come to me about this to voice your concerns? No. So don't start with this crap, it's insulting.

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    Between you and Soup, I just love the votes of confidence.

    Did either of you come to me about this to voice your concerns? No. So don't start with this crap, it's insulting.
    Couldn't we say the same thing about the starter of this thread. He basically turned it into the "air your dirty laundry" thread.
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    Couldn't we say the same thing about the starter of this thread. He basically turned it into the "air your dirty laundry" thread.
    This would not be my choice of approach to deal with this issue, but he has the right to vent. Although I may move this to feedback in the near future as it certainly is not a Pacers thread, and everyone's read it by now.

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    This would not be my choice of approach to deal with this issue, but he has the right to vent. Although I may move this to feedback in the near future as it certainly is not a Pacers thread, and everyone's read it by now.
    But when I vent it's insulting? Ok.
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    But when I vent it's insulting? Ok.
    No, when you suddenly say "PD has been **** lately", it's insulting to me.

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    I'll take a moment to clear something up. The admins are 'officially' myself (as head, uh, guy), and Shade, keresone, btowncolt, and Jay. Able has admin priviliges as well, and we welcome his assistance that he provides at times with keeping fires out and things of that manner, but when I see him post something like this, I don't view him being an admin, I view him being a poster, and I've seen many posters do this before, so I'm not going to get ****ty on able about it.

    When it's an admin issue to discuss, you guys need to PM us, and able also is extremely good about coming to us when an issue arises, so I don't view this as an admin pointing fingers.

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    I think the time is near for a Coup.....

    lets over throw Mugabe and his dictatorship....


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    For what its worth, we just need the season to start.
    November will clear up a lot of this.

    This thread pointed out something, a lot of our members were bothered by the situation but didn't feel comfortable pointing it out for some reason.

    Maybe just me but I thought we were to a point that we could talk openly about something like this and not wait for Able or Hicks or someone else with perceived rank to say something.

    I hope people will speak up and not remain silent until you want to leave. That is PD got started in the first place, RATS got out of hand and we left.
    Tim made some good points here.

    Its like the situation we had earlier this summer. We were getting lots of complaints about the guy, and we were trying to come up with a way to keep that guy around in a way that wouldn't continue to alienate everyone else. Behind the scenes communications didn't work; public communications didn't work. Before he left, he was defiant to nearly every admin here, yet we were still receiving complaints.

    Heck, when you spend a big chunk of time here, it is inevitable that a few things or certain posters will get on your nerves. And you don't want to complain because, hey, we're all volunteers with day jobs or school or whatever.

    Then one day, somebody snaps. This really floored me because we hadn't had a single post in our secret admin hiding place for over a week.

    It would be nice if we could've done this differently. Behind the scenes or whatever. But this is what we've got so let's make something positive out of it.

    I'll just say right now that I probably haven't even opened over 1/2 of the threads on the first couple pages, and that's never happened to me before. Btown could be quoting all kinds of public figures singling out the destruction of my kneecaps, and I wouldn't even know it.

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    Before anyone thinks that I have abandoned this thread after posting it, I didn't .
    Before anyone thinks it is personal to them; it isn't (ok that one's to late).

    Did I single any 1 poster out ? No. But could I have? Of course BUT that wasn't the point.
    Some of you will have received PM's from me when things didn't quite go as stated within rules or because I (we, the admins) received complaints.
    So am I capable of dosing fires that way? I like to think so.

    Was this a fire? no
    Am I and admin? yes, sorta, since I run the tech part of the board, since I host it, yes for those reasons only.
    Many of you have send me PM's asking for "admin" things, I always refer you to others, I do not ban people, I don't consider that my job.

    Do I look into "technical problems"? yes, Do the updates? yes, run the server the board is hosted on? yes

    Am I a human being and a member of this community? YES

    And as such I have opinions, not only on basketball, but on a lot of topics.
    Am I entitled to posting those? yes, just like each and anyone of you.

    Repeating your opinion loudly and constantly does not make it the right one, listening what people are really saying and digesting that with what was your opinion and defining your "new" opinion is.

    I was amazed at the reactions this thread got, certainly in the beginning, as I was under the impression that this was just one of my pet peeves, but it seemed quite a few agreed with what I was posting, and NO it was not in essence about "oneliners" or short answers, as some of you seemingly mistakenly think/thought.
    I can thin of several occassions where a oneliner is a perfect answer to a thread or a sign of appreciation to a poster, nothing wrong with that.
    I did not ask for postcounts to be removed, I certainly had not identified the postcount as a reason for the type of posts I was raving about and I still don't but as usual have little problems with the decisions Hicks/Dr.Cox takes. (and if I do he will learn from this in private or on the admin board) I am not known to be a silent partner.

    Maybe some may have noticed that unlike all other admins I do not have a reference to that in my ID, I did that for several reasons, one being that I want to post as me, the poster, the member, I do not feel that it should make any difference if SIG, or UB or Peck or a new poster posts an opinion on something that takes place here or an admin.

    I don't mind SIG's rant, I don't mind mr. Kaufman's unsubstantiated "threat", you are all entitled to an opinion and thinking I am an old fool who makes a pommy point is something you are more then welcome to, though to those on the inside of knowledge it is somewhat idiotic, but that is my opinion, again one I am entitled to.

    I was ranting in my initial post on a "trend" not on anything personal.
    PM'ng people is usefull when it is 1 person or 2 or even 3, but not if it is a public trend.

    It was a rant, the topic says so, the content says so, what more explanation do you want to start of with before you jump of a cliff?

    I did not discuss it on the admin board because I felt it was a social interactive thing, something you discuss with your peers, the people posting, after all I could be fataly wrong in my opinion, though in this case there are to many "agree" posts to think that I have gone completely of my rockers, if such is still possible and hasn't happened earlier in life (which I think it has) but ask that from people who have met me.

    I hoped to raise the awareness of people following the trend and create a reversal, nothing more nothing less, no matter what any of you speculate on, no matter what Kravitz writes, that is the one and only truth and I can say so because I posted it.

    I have not attacked people personal in the initial post, and whilst I do not really care about people attacking me, and most certainly not on a forum, Ihave done so in this post, and whilst knowing that retaliation is wrong, I felt I could do that since SIG and Kaufman felt it neccessary to attack my personal integrity while there was no cause for that.
    And while money buys you a new board, you will soon find that it does not buy you the friends I made here, nor does it buy you the communnity that's build here.

    I will agree with Hicks that somewere today this post should or could be moved to the "feedback" forum or "shoutbox" or deletion-cemetry, I really nay care. I've said my piece, people are aware and mayve just maybe it has made a difference.

    Is there anything more you can ask from a post you make then "it" making a (albeit small) difference?
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    Can we argue about something more exciting? Geeze.

    How about the joys of taking a workplace poop...

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    Repeating your opinion loudly and constantly does not make it the right one, listening what people are really saying and digesting that with what was your opinion and defining your "new" opinion is.
    Tell that to the American political system.

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    I know I'm late coming into this but I will give my two cents anyway.

    I know that both Able and Soup were ranting, I do it all the time.

    Let me just say up front that I know PaCeRsGuRL uses a lot of smilies but I REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY enjoy her posts... When she starts a thread I know that it will be a great one. Don't stop posting here and don't stop letting people know how you feel.

    If anyone WASN'T thinking of the "we ride together" Gang then just say they weren't, it would be a good thing to clear the air, because thats what I am getting out of it.

    If certain people are blaming SIG, Pacers#1Fan, and PaCeRsGuRL for the fall of PD, Which I think is preposterous, they should know that a lot of other people have changed thread Directions... and still many others have began posting only when the discussion has ended (kinda like I'm doing now) Has anyone in this thread, with the exception of maybe able and peck, NOT participated in the random thoughts thread or the in my pants thread... I know I have.

    Maybe I was included in the Young Kids group as I am 20 and don't post as much about the Pacers as I do the Government, but again it is just NOW the preseason and things are getting under way.

    The WRT gang are all on my buddy list and sometimes EVEN I THINK that certain posts weren't needed but I appreciate the post and its writer. I don't want any of them, or anyone else, to stop being themselves. Up until the "What _____ Song" era I didn't see a problem with the Pacers Forum... Everyone posted the right things where they were supposed to. I understand that those Musical threads were attempts at humor and that not everyone has the same sense of humor, but since those have been moved I digress.

    The fact that this thread is already six/seven pages long after a day is only proof that everyone posts short blurbs that don't necesarily "add" to the topic at hand. I don't mind them. They show how peoples opinions have changed, how they are the same, or help defend/explain one's original opinion/Story.




    I can't think of one member that isn't all guilty of posting short, meaningless responses and using smilies.

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    Has anyone in this thread, with the exception of maybe able and peck, NOT participated in the random thoughts thread or the in my pants thread....
    ..Don't think I have...

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    Can we argue about something more exciting? Geeze.
    You can if you want to, but that would require starting a new thread. If you don't that means you hijacked this thread. Oh wait. That already happened. Foreget I said anything.

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    To be honest, I'm scared to death to post here anymore, posting a reply is out of the question it seems. I understand needing rules to keep things "pleasantville" if you will, but man.

    Some replies don't warrant 20 paragraphs to get someone's opinion. I would rather someone get right to the point instead of going around the block.

    Oh well I guess that's just me.

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    To be honest, I'm scared to death to post here anymore, posting a reply is out of the question it seems. I understand needing rules to keep things "pleasantville" if you will, but man.

    Some replies don't warrant 20 paragraphs to get someone's opinion. I would rather someone get right to the point instead of going around the block.

    Oh well I guess that's just me.
    This isn't about the size of your post at all. They have even said that there are times that one-liners are perfectly fine. What they dont want is people posting something that is completely off-topic, or something that changes that direction of the post that the starter of the thread did not intend. The only people that I see, and i'm guilty of as well is maybe bumping a thread with a simely. Thats pretty unnesessry. I don't think they care how long a post is as long as it is revelent.

    Some people have voiced their displeasure with people simply saying I agree. In my oppinion that is perfectly fine. Some people don't have anything to add, but do want to let other members know where they stand on a certian issue. I know I like to know where other people stand on things even if they don't have anything to add to the post.

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    This isn't about the size
    Lucky for you we no longer go off topic, post one liners, or have smilies.
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    Hello everybody!


    And my point was, if the youngins want to post their smileys, I will back em. Whether financially or otherwise. I'd rather them come here when they get home from school than doing... other things. Its a safe environment and like was said by someone else, kinda like a second home type deal. I support what this website is all about, but I don't support infringement upon one's first amendment. That might go across the pond, but it don't work here.
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    but I don't support infringement upon one's first amendment. That might go across the pond, but it don't work here.
    Andy, in case you didn't know, Able completely supports this site out of his own pocket. First amendment doesn't apply here, though Able, Hicks and the other Admin do an unbelievable job in respecting that.
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    Has anyone in this thread, with the exception of maybe able and peck, NOT participated in the random thoughts thread or the in my pants thread... I know I have.

    Not me.....
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    I understand where the whole idea comes from for this thread. There have been a couple times when I have posted a thread or in a thread when I wanted to talk about basketball and have a great conversation about Pacers basketball, because I can't anywhere else, and it has been overrun with some silly chatter that kind of takes away from my wanting a discussion. However, I like the light feeling around PD, the family joking feeling that I felt when I first got here.

    Not to say that it's not friendly anymore, that's not the case at all. It just seems that there are an awful lot of threads that go offtopic and it's a tad bit more quarrelsome at times for the sheer reason of starting a fight.I am quite aware that in my early days I had quite a few shipped off to the Shout Box, deservingly. I'd like to think that I've found somewhat of a groove since that time and have become somewhat of a thought provoking poster.

    I don't think that anything in the shout box should be debated. The shout box is there for a reason. The Random Thoughts thread and In my pants thread and such are in there because that's what that area is there for.

    I will admit, there are times I won't even go into a thread with tons of smilies and IM lanuguage, but that's just because I don't enjoy reading those type of things, it seems impersonal. I think that is my problem, if people wish to type like that, it's their choice, I won't call them out for it if that's their style.

    I love PD, I love to come here, I love that the age difference is diverse. I think, however, there needs to be some consideration for substance.
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    Andy, in case you didn't know, Able completely supports this site out of his own pocket. First amendment doesn't apply here, though Able, Hicks and the other Admin do an unbelievable job in respecting that.
    Excellent post! Kudos to you!


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