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    So for once a thread that is covered by the topic, must be a nice change.

    Lately a lot of new and young postsers have joined PD,for which we are happy, but it is also the grounds for my petpeeve:

    Now I am typing this thread for the 4th or 5th time as I had to break it up (work) lost it through sheer stupidity, so my original well versed and long post will be more *****y, to the post and shorter then envisioned,but since it is getting on my fragile nerves I decided topost it anyway

    It used to be a pleasure to read most posts on this board, like reading a newspaper in the morning, not a day went by I didn't visit the board, even from my blackberry, however things have changed, so much that I do not use my bb anymore to visit the board and at time can not be arsed to even look at it when I am on a desktop machine.

    Bad spelling, no problem, bad language; no problem, bad grammar; no problem, we can not all be "good" at it and some like myself are simply not native English speakers/writers, the effort is what counts.
    Now that effort is exacltly what is wrong

    Though idiotic threads and topics are expected, afterall it is the OFF/PRE season, the length of the threads (which used to be some sign of decent content) is getting obnoxious while the content of hte thread is getting from bad to worse.

    I know this might be a"culture" thing, after all I am not exactly Hip-Hop and perhaps even a generation-gap, after all I am old, but.......

    If you post on a forum, in a thread, you have something to say on the topic "at hand".
    You post to provide others with insight to your opinion, or to make another point pertaining to the thread at hand.

    That idea has been more and more abandoned lately, threads grow to several pages by just communicatin with 1-liners or worse, just smileys.

    Smileys can make a point, but posting in every thread to give a thumbs up smiley or a wink smiley, or whatever; or to just say "i agree" is IMO (no humbleness has ever touched me) outrageous idiotic and stupid.

    Obfuscating good postings with that kind of trivia should be penalized with a death sentence at least and changing the topic of a thread with it is even worse.

    I am sure that when the word "trolling" was invented (yes I was around) that those kind of posts were meant to be captured by that as well.

    Now I understand that those who are new and young are from a different generation then I am, but I do expect that if you have nothing to add to a discussion on any given topic, you remain silent.
    If you agree but what you want to say was already covered, then nod to yourself and move on, stop wasting everybody's time and bandwidth with nonsensical dribble.

    And for those who by now are used to communicate in smiley language, please do me a favour, open a thread in the shoutbox and keep it there.

    Oneliners and smileys are NOT a way of conversing and/or communicating here as far as I am concerned, if it is going to become the way to do things around here then I will have to find myself a place where it isn't, but untill then, I will get pissed off when I see threads consisting of smileys and oneliners over 4 pages and I will waste your time and bandwith with my obnoxiously long posts as counterweight to the nonsens.

    Thank you for "toning it down" and the real contributions I know you can all make
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    Quote Originally Posted by able
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    If you post on a forum, in a thread, you have something to say on the topic "at hand".
    You post to provide others with insight to your opinion, or to make another point pertaining to the thread at hand.

    That idea has been more and more abandoned lately, threads grow to several pages by just communicatin with 1-liners or worse, just smileys.
    Thank you, Able. I've been wondering when this post was going to come out. I know a couple people who have just stopped posting mainly for the same reasons that you described, and I know that personally I've actually had to use my ignore list which is unfortunate because I don't like doing that.

    Anyway, I thought I would highlight the above part...it is very well said.

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    able, let me say that I agree with you. I've noticed a change in the past 4 weeks or so, but who am I to say anything.

    I know I'm guilty of occasionally doing one-line posts and simply saying that I agree. I will refrain from doing so from now on, unless I have something else to add.

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    Guilty as charged. Sorry for the one liner and I will comply.
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    I too have notcied the same lately with the over use of Smiley's and have to agree. I use the "new posts" option to keep up with the thread shere, and it has become tiresome to see 3 pages of new posts in an hour only to realize they were all bumped into new posts by smiley's.

    Thanks for psting this Able. I would have never said so on my own as I am only a member here and not someone involved in running the site. But now that you brought it up, I just want you to know you're not alone.

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    Ah, the days of old....those were nice. I really did enjoy the conversations we had before without the excessive smilies (though they do add a fun touch). But hopefully we can all be a little better.
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    I prefer one liners to 10 paragraph rants myself.

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    Damn Able, that was a great post, and I'm sure quite a few members around here echo your thoughts.

    I agree that a lot of it was acceptable under the grounds that it was the offseason, and there isn't much to talk about then, but now training camp is over, and preseason games have started, and the focus of threads in the main forum should be Pacers related.

    I also think that your suggestion for anyone who desires to post a smiley to respond to another post, to keep it in the shout box, is a very good idea.

    This board has always been really nice how it is organized with the different forums for other sports, entertainment, politics, the shout box for general rants, and the colts forum for football, and pretty much everyone keeps their posts in the proper forum.

    But I also have noticed more of an influx of responses, and thread bumps with a single smilie, that had nothing to do with the original topic of the thread, and that does get annoying a times.

    Although I'm not referring to the smilies used to agree with a point without having to repeat it, those are fine, I know there are times when someone will have a sarcastic response to something someone posted and the rolleyes or unimpressed smiley fits perfectly, I mean more like the ones that are intended to be 'cute', and also repeated over and over again.

    I do also notice that some of the veteran posters haven't posted as much lately, and I hope it's because they've just been busy, and not that they're tired of the reasons you suggested.

    I do think a lot of it is an age gap, and I'm not busting anyones chops that is younger than 20, but it does seem to be a demographic that enjoys using the IM style smilies as their main form of communication, and that's fine, but I agree that sort of thing should be posted in the shout box.

    I also think a lot of it may also have to do with post counts, and maybe some are trying to boost their number of posts with anything and everything, such as a single smilie.

    I think some need to remember that your sheer # of post counts don't mean that much around here, it's quality, not quantity, and if you are the poster with the highest # of posts at the end of the year, it's not going to win you any awards, so it's probably better to keep posts in at least the same conversation as the thread they're replying in.

    Now, I do see some acceptable occasions for one liners, and smilies, and that's the game threads, I think it's natural to just have a short comment on a play in that thread, but I don't think anyone has a problem with that.

    I agree with your assessment that this used to be like reading a newspaper in the morning, and now it's kind of like the newspaper accidentally got hacked, and now contains little high school style flirt notes mixed into the main basketball forum, when it's ok to do that, but just keep it in the shout box.

    Again, great post Able, I hope some will realize your point, and not get all upset, it's not like you're asking some to not post, or change their posting style, but just keep it in the proper forum.

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    Thanks for that post, able. I've been lurking/occasionally posting on these boards since most of the people here were at RATS. I mainly lurk because I like reading everyone else's opinions and usually because someone else has already posted my viewpoint. I post only when I think I have something to contribute to a thread. It kinda annoys me when I see posts that just say "I agree" or they restate what's already been said. One-liners don't bother me though, especially when they're posted by Most Humourous Poster candidates.

    I wanted to say what you've said here a couple weeks ago, but because I don't post that often, I figure I don't carry enough weight to throw around. Anyway, thanks again able.

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    You know, what about getting rid of the smileys. Just for a while, as a trial, and also to focus people back on sharing non-frivolous postings. While I myself do not mind the smileys, it seems obvious some people are trying to boost their personal posting counts.

    One thing I do caution the administrator/owner of this board, don't scare people away from writing and sharing on this board. I like to come here and unwind, just like reading the paper, and add my thoughts. The last thing I want to do is "overthink" whether or not my posting is relevant. Though I feel most of my additions are relevant and thought provoking, I do understand the concerns.
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    Burnzone brought up a great point with post counts. I think it gives people a reason to go out there and spam, wanting to see how many posts they can get to earn "credibility" - when in reality, credibility has nothing to do with the number of posts you have.

    I don't know if this is possible, and I doubt everyone would go for it...but I'd be all for getting rid of post counts permanently. I think they do more bad than they do good.

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    That is a great idea, Rcarey, I think that removing post counts, as opposed to removing the smilies would be a lot better.

    The smilies are cool, when used properly, because their purpose is to show emotion, or tone of voice, since we can't hear anyone speaking, it allows someone to post sarcastically, while letting others know they are joking.

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    I agree........

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    To quote a guy named Wash:

    "Oh, my God! What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing!?! Oh, right, that would be me. Back to work."

    As the guy who's supposed to be piloting this boat, I've been too passive for too long. I've noticed what you all have been, but I've shrugged it off to offseason, young people, and frankly I've been busy in real life these days.

    But I can make the time to get things cleaned up around here.

    rcarey beat me to it. I'm going to turn post counts off if I can, or I'll find a plugin to do it. Who among us that's been here for months or years really gives a damn anyway? No one to my knowledge.

    Also, right now I have the min. character limit as 1, I'm going to up it so a reply HAS to be more than a smilie. Granted, that means they could post 10 instead, but that just gets my attention more quickly to move it, or, if it's to be defiant, delete it.

    Beyond that, as I said I need to get more proactive around here again. If threads starts to become what's being described here, I'll be more strict about splitting threads and moving the "waste" to the shoutbox.

    I'm just sorry I haven't gotten on this sooner; I've been a lously leader lately.

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    Has it really come to this?

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    Let me also suggest, that if any particularly users are annoying you with their behavior, the ignore list is still here.

    I also don't consider this a crisis; I view this as PD is looking a bit sloppy and it just needs some fall cleaning, as it were. I'm more annoyed with thread hijackings than I am with the smilies, but both need to be addressed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hicks
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    Let me also suggest, that if any particularly users are annoying you with their behavior, the ignore list is still here.

    I also don't consider this a crisis; I view this as PD is looking a bit sloppy and it just needs some fall cleaning, as it were. I'm more annoyed with thread hijackings than I am with the smilies, but both need to be addressed.
    Thanks Hicks, that is my pet peeve while we are at it.. Its great to have every point of view on a thread , that is what it is there for. However can we stay on some sort of topic that is relevant to the thread itself.. before
    degenerating into the same old stuff on every thread so much so that I can't tell one thread from the other..

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    I don't think getting rid of Smilies or Post counts will help. I just feel that everyone needs to just make an extra effort to try and keep to the topic of the thread, and to input information that pertains to it. That's all that is needed.
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    Yeah, watching every other thread become a joke and/or hip-hop parody thread has gotten old.

    Obviously nothing drastic HAS to be done, such as the post counts, but that one is really something I think is a good idea for the long-term. I think the forum still keeps track, but to remove the visibility should cut down on people (usually younger/newer ones) fretting about it, and it would be interested to see how people treat each other without that reference to judge them.

    And if there's any confusion, I'm not getting rid of smilies.

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    Wow. Thank you so much for making this post able. I've been thinking the exact same thing for about a month, and I would have said something about it, but I'm not exactly a high up member on the forum, so I didn't think it would be taken very well.

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    I don't think any one thing will solve the problem. Everyone should be adult enough to police themselves. Maybe the key word is adult. I don't think dropping the smilies or eliminating the post counts will help, although if that happens that is fine with me.

    In all my years here and my years at RATS, I've never once used the ignore feature, but it has been tempting lately, but i don't want to do that. i think everyone has something to contribute.

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    It's really just one poster that I can think of, but they really, really go all out when it comes to posting a smilie in every thread.
    Oh, thanks for singling me out... jerk.

    Seriously, this was bound to happen. As a forum gains popularity, it naturally attracts a "broader scope" of posters (I'm being nice). There are only a couple of posters here I can think of who seem to be who able is referring to. As btown pointed out, a PM probably would have sufficed. But...we live in a society where the majority suffers because of the actions of a few.

    Hicks, don't make the minimal character count for posting too short. Sometimes an "agreed" or "exactly" can also move a conversation forward, or simply serves as acknowledgement that someone made an excellent point, which isn't a bad thing, in my opinion.

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    I agree with most of what Able said with the exception of the one line posts. Sometimes a poster just puts something into words in a way that you can't express yourself. I personally see nothing wrong with a "here here" on the topic. Perhaps it isn't a lengthy reply, but you are taking a side in a particular debate. If somebody takes 45 minutes to write a post, and you don't disagree with what they said, it just seems like they could deserve an "atta boy" in there somewhere.

    I'm glad that the smileys are there. When my kids look over my shoulder they love to have me go through the list on PD and they enjoy them immensely. However, the people that overuse smilies do so with reckless abandon. I'm still amazed that many people don't know that CAPS ARE SHOUTING and that nobody has any desire to see how good you are :typingwordsbetweencolons: If we wanted to see all the smilies all we have to do is to click on the smilie link... save the effort!

    But, emoticons are great for the written word. Since we can't show emotion with a typed sentence, an emoticon lets a person know that you are serious, joking, etc. And quite frankly, some of them just make me laugh on their own.

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    I agree with most of what Able said with the exception of the one line posts. Sometimes a poster just puts something into words in a way that you can't express yourself. I personally see nothing wrong with a "here here" on the topic. Perhaps it isn't a lengthy reply, but you are taking a side in a particular debate. If somebody takes 45 minutes to write a post, and you don't disagree with what they said, it just seems like they could deserve an "atta boy" in there somewhere.
    I agree with you on this part.

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    Okey Dokey. I'll sound off on this also.

    Thread splitting is a great solution to these ills. The ****** - I mean Shout Box forum is a good dumping ground for socializing and time wasting. I say that as a man with years of valuable experience in the art of wasting time. This has become a great social environment for many folks, young and old. All should be wecome, because even the most eloquent among us started somewhere.

    I've also had a difficult time "digging" through the banal to find good discussion. Let's just all agree to discuss the Pacers on the pacers forum (including jokes and funny pictures and whatever is relevant), discuss politics in the politics forum, and play smilie tennis in the shout box.

    It's an issue of first and final impressions for those that enter the site for the first time. I think the lurkers are the most valuable members of PD. No, I'm not joking about that. When I see a post from someone with a post count of 12 and a joing date from the beginning of the forum, I assume two things: 1) PD's posting members write things that are worth reading and 2) There is a sense of loyalty and comraderie even among the lurkers.

    The worst thing the community at large can do is scare away the next influx of valuable members with invaluable posts.

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