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What Are Weaknesses Of East Contenders? Question of the day

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  • #16
    Re: What Are Weaknesses Of East Contenders? Question of the day

    Eh, I saw Sabonis, Kucoc and Rebraca- All european champions- enter the NBA and have problems adjusting. And two of them were OLDER than Saras is now.

    I could be wrong, but Saras would be the first player EVER to go straight from eurpoe to the NBA and not have difficulties adjusting. Off of what I know if him, I think his biggest obstacle will be getting used to the speed.

    Granger's a nice rookie. Experience-wise, he's about where Prince was coming out of UK, or Grant Hill out of Duke. But both of them had learning curves, albeit smaller ones than most rookies. Almost all rookies have them, and Granger will have his. Not a knock on Granger, it's just the way it goes.

    The basis of your argument - that the Pacers primary weakness is that the bench is inexperienced - does not hold water. The biggest weakness for the Pacers is games missed due to injury and/or suspension. Yesterday, Today, and Tomorrow.
    I'd agree with that, except that's more of an intangible. You can't really quantify injury-prone players. I'll wait until AFTER they get hurt to say that's their biggest issue.

    It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

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    • #17
      Re: What Are Weaknesses Of East Contenders? Question of the day

      Originally posted by Kstat
      I'm not terribly worried about my bench either, but then again very little about my team worries me.

      I'm saying, looking at both rosters from the outside, one would probably say the one thing that both teams lack is NBA experience among the guys that they're going to rely on most for bench production.
      The Pacers bench is not only more experienced on the whole, it's deeper as well.

      IF Saras and Granger prove that they can't get it done, we have guys that started for us for most of last year backing them up. Detroit can't say that if their two main bench guys go down. You're argument just doesn't hold up under scrutiny.

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      • #18
        Re: What Are Weaknesses Of East Contenders? Question of the day

        Originally posted by CableKC
        Kstat....who are the players that come off the bench in Detroit? (Sorry, I'm not trying to be sarcastic here...I seriously don't know who comes off after McDyess and Hunter...cuz they are the only players I saw in the playoffs that played decent minutes behind the starting 5 ). I'm guessing Delfino, Darko and the guy from Sactown they just signed will get some minutes there?
        The Pistons bench rotation will probably go like this:

        1. Dice
        2. Arroyo
        3. Darko
        4. Delfino
        5. Evans

        Hunter and Dale will probably be our 11th and 12th men and will not play.

        It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

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        • #19
          Re: What Are Weaknesses Of East Contenders? Question of the day

          Originally posted by travmil
          The Pacers bench is not only more experienced on the whole, it's deeper as well.
          I'd love to contest both statements. I'm not sure your bench has more total NBA experience, OR more depth.

          The only position where you have a solid 3rd backup is PG, and we have the same thing.

          IF Saras and Granger prove that they can't get it done, we have guys that started for us for most of last year backing them up. Detroit can't say that if their two main bench guys go down. You're argument just doesn't hold up under scrutiny.
          If Saras and Granger prove they can't get it done, it's a big problem. Saras at least you have a decent backup for, though. But lets not go overboard and say that those guys are expendable.

          It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

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          • #20
            Re: What Are Weaknesses Of East Contenders? Question of the day

            Originally posted by Kstat
            I'd love to contest both statements. I'm not sure your bench has more total NBA experience, OR more depth.

            The only position where you have a solid 3rd backup is PG, and we have the same thing.



            If Saras and Granger prove they can't get it done, it's a big problem. Saras at least you have a decent backup for, though. But lets not go overboard and say that those guys are expendable.
            I didn't say they were expendable. I merely pointed out that if we have to, we can bring in guys that have started frequently in the past. Any other words you'd care to put in my mouth today?

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            • #21
              Re: What Are Weaknesses Of East Contenders? Question of the day

              I think all Pistons players should add an "o" at the end of their name.
              “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” - Winston Churchill

              “If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to serve as a horrible warning.” - Catherine Aird

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              • #22
                Re: What Are Weaknesses Of East Contenders? Question of the day

                Originally posted by travmil
                I didn't say they were expendable. I merely pointed out that if we have to, we can bring in guys that have started in the past. Any other words you'd care to put in my mouth today?
                I have to disagree with you saying we have an All Star caliber bench.














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                • #23
                  Re: What Are Weaknesses Of East Contenders? Question of the day

                  Originally posted by Los Angeles
                  I think all Pistons players should add an "o" at the end of their name.
                  Ben-o?
                  Rasheed-o?


                  Darko.....-o?

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                  • #24
                    Re: What Are Weaknesses Of East Contenders? Question of the day

                    After seeing Saras old team beat Toronto, yes they may be bad but they were playing starters, mind you, I think the learning curve for Saras might be less than you all think...
                    "Sometimes, when you look Andy in the eyes, you get a feeling somebody else is driving." -- David Letterman

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                    • #25
                      Re: What Are Weaknesses Of East Contenders? Question of the day

                      I like our bench far more than Detroit's. Here is a line-up if our starters are out:
                      1) Saras
                      2) F. Jones
                      3) Granger
                      4) Bender (if he is injured, Croshere)
                      5) Harrison

                      No offense to the Pistons b/c their first 6 or 7 are great, but the Pacers have them in depth. ...and we don't even mention AJ, who is a darn good backup PG himself.

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                      • #26
                        Re: What Are Weaknesses Of East Contenders? Question of the day

                        Originally posted by BlueNGold
                        I like our bench far more than Detroit's. Here is a line-up if our starters are out:
                        1) Saras
                        2) F. Jones
                        3) Granger
                        4) Bender (if he is injured, Croshere)
                        5) Harrison

                        No offense to the Pistons b/c their first 6 or 7 are great, but the Pacers have them in depth. ...and we don't even mention AJ, who is a darn good backup PG himself.
                        I love our 2nd unit!!! It's just as good as some teams' starting lineup!

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                        • #27
                          Re: What Are Weaknesses Of East Contenders? Question of the day

                          I'd rather have Hunter as my #3 PG than AJ, but I suppose maybe that's just taste.

                          As for our bench, I think both benches are pretty much even talent-wise.

                          Darko, Delfino and Arroyo all have a lot of talent. Nobody ever saw it because Larry Brown kept it chained to the bench, but it's there.

                          Maurice Evans is also a quality player. He started for the Kings last year because of their injury problems, and more than held his own.

                          Not to mention our 12th man is Dale Davis. That's pretty darn good also.

                          The Pistons are going to play a 10-man rotation, and the Pacers probably will also. That speaks to the depth of both teams.

                          It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

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                          • #28
                            Re: What Are Weaknesses Of East Contenders? Question of the day

                            Originally posted by Kstat
                            I'd rather have Hunter as my #3 PG than AJ, but I suppose maybe that's just taste.

                            As for our bench, I think both benches are pretty much even talent-wise.

                            Darko, Delfino and Arroyo all have a lot of talent. Nobody ever saw it because Larry Brown kept it chained to the bench, but it's there.

                            Not to mention our 12th man is Dale Davis. That's pretty darn good also.
                            One thing I would add is that Jones, Croshere and Harrison have all put up big numbers offensively. Jones has gone for 30+, Croshere has had many games in the 20's and is always capable of that. Harrison as a rook put up good numbers and is a beast on the block. Saras just put up 18pts in just his second game....and I am certain Granger will have some spectacular performances this year. Pollard and AJ are no slouches either. ...and if Bender ever stays healthy, look out!

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                            • #29
                              Re: What Are Weaknesses Of East Contenders? Question of the day

                              Originally posted by Kstat
                              I'd rather have Hunter as my #3 PG than AJ, but I suppose maybe that's just taste.

                              Goodnight credibility......
                              You, Never? Did the Kenosha Kid?

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                              • #30
                                Re: What Are Weaknesses Of East Contenders? Question of the day

                                Originally posted by Kstat
                                Darko, Delfino and Arroyo all have a lot of talent. Nobody ever saw it because Larry Brown kept it chained to the bench, but it's there.

                                .
                                Isn’t that the total point of our bench has more experience then yours...

                                Jimmy Floyd Hasslebank could be an All Star if he got quality minutes...

                                Last year threw terrible and unforseen circumstances our bench did get quality experience.... I haven't the time to dig out minutes and stats but it spanks the pistons bench from here to Tokyo, what did we have 27 different starting line ups compared to the pistons 1??
                                >>
                                And a better example then comparing Sabonis and Kukoc to Sara’s would be Pertrovic, everyone knows that the NBA Big men are BIG and naturally it’s harder for Sabonis to make a impact…
                                >>

                                can we get a stat check on Hunter V AJ please.....
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